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danmdevries Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Mar 20 2024, 9:27 PM EST
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Discuss.

I've started to go down a rabbit hole the past few days triggered by the connection that happened in my brain that old Camacho corojo and Aladino corojo were from same dudes and I loved both. Then yesterday had the warped la Hacienda and it reminded me of another favorite cigar - illusione epernay. Both in a cuban profile.

I want to delve deeper down this line. Looks like Casa Fernandez, guardian of thr farm, JFR, and the Aganorsa Leaf brands are owned by the farm, but what lines or other cigars should I seek with similar backgrounds especially compared to Epernay and LA Hacienda?
tonygraz Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Mar 20 2024, 10:26 PM EST
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I liked the Casa Fernandez and JFR but I'm leery of trying others. The Nica Libre really sucked for me but somebody else here liked it.
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#3 Posted: Thu, Mar 21 2024, 6:17 AM EST
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You will be rewarded Dan.

Your adventure awaits!
danmdevries Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, Mar 21 2024, 6:38 AM EST
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Oboy.

Was sposeda just be discussion thread dmv
Jakethesnake86 Offline
#5 Posted: Thu, Mar 21 2024, 8:17 AM EST
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I love some and others I believe just use the name and the blend itself is just ok.
Abrignac Offline
#6 Posted: Thu, Mar 21 2024, 12:43 PM EST
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Ahh the Camacho Corojo Churchill. Used to be my daily go to when Eiroa owned the brand.
deadeyedick Offline
#7 Posted: Fri, Mar 22 2024, 6:54 AM EST
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Many of the major cigar makers are using Aganorsa baccy these days. Some of my favorite blends from Warped, Carrillo and Padron are customers and the reason is 100% of the crop is Cuban seed and they have employed Cuban agronomists to grow and process the crops.

While they are employing the Cuban methods, the soil composition in Nicaragua is not the same and I can't say I find any Cuban "twang" in their cigars.

I always wondered if the chemical make up of Cuban soils could be duplicated in another country via amendments.
Jakethesnake86 Offline
#8 Posted: Fri, Mar 22 2024, 7:26 AM EST
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^ I think it would only work in a greenhouse setting. The volume of minerals would be huge that’s my opinion anyhow
danmdevries Offline
#9 Posted: Fri, Mar 22 2024, 7:30 AM EST
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deadeyedick wrote:
Many of the major cigar makers are using Aganorsa baccy these days. Some of my favorite blends from Warped, Carrillo and Padron are customers and the reason is 100% of the crop is Cuban seed and they have employed Cuban agronomists to grow and process the crops.

While they are employing the Cuban methods, the soil composition in Nicaragua is not the same and I can't say I find any Cuban "twang" in their cigars.

I always wondered if the chemical make up of Cuban soils could be duplicated in another country via amendments.


That la Hacienda I had the other day had 90% of the cuban profile. If it were unbanded I wouldn't know.

But I'm also not as well calibrated as you.
deadeyedick Offline
#10 Posted: Fri, Mar 22 2024, 7:41 AM EST
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danmdevries wrote:
That la Hacienda I had the other day had 90% of the cuban profile. If it were unbanded I wouldn't know.

But I'm also not as well calibrated as you.


Get your hands on an aged Warped Sky Flower. I sent one to delta last year in the blind trades and he picked it as Cuban. Al has a pretty good palate with experience in the Cuban profile.
danmdevries Offline
#11 Posted: Fri, Mar 22 2024, 8:29 AM EST
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Will do. I think I have one or two but not aged.
clickbangdead Offline
#12 Posted: Tue, Apr 2 2024, 10:38 PM EST
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If you haven't tried the Arganorsa Rare Leaf, I do recommend. Not a huge fan of the large (54) ring guage (just bought a box of the new lonsdales though, eager to try them) but if found them pretty enjoyable and available at decent discounts from time to time at the tenski place.
Barbara Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Apr 11 2024, 10:36 PM EST
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danmdevries wrote:
I want to delve deeper down this line. Looks like Casa Fernandez, Guardian of the farm, JFR, and the Aganorsa Leaf brands are owned by Aganora, but what lines or other cigars should I seek with similar backgrounds especially compared to Epernay and LA Hacienda?
Kyle Gellis' Warped cigars are almost totally comprised of Aganorsa tobacco as are Reinier Lorenzo's HVC. Warped's La Colmena Amado No. 44 has a profile that most could not distinguish from an habano, but they're about $16.00 for a 5 x 44. Any Casa Fernandez you may find is old stock as Aganorsa has retired the Casa Fernandez branding. As I mentioned in another thread the Gurkha Nicarguan is totalamente Aganorsa. I've heard a rumor, but haven't scouted it out myself, as yet, that a very famous cigar retailer has an excellent sale on an HVC five pack sampler, which I believe is all Aganorsa.
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#14 Posted: Thu, Apr 11 2024, 11:31 PM EST
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Barbara wrote:
Kyle Gellis' Warped cigars are almost totally comprised of Aganorsa tobacco as are Reinier Lorenzo's HVC. Warped's La Colmena Amado No. 44 has a profile that most could not distinguish from an habano, but they're about $16.00 for a 5 x 44. Any Casa Fernandez you may find is old stock as Aganorsa has retired the Casa Fernandez branding. As I mentioned in another thread the Gurkha Nicarguan is totalamente Aganorsa. I've heard a rumor, but haven't scouted it out myself, as yet, that a very famous cigar retailer has an excellent sale on an HVC five pack sampler, which I believe is all Aganorsa.

It is true and I have availed myself of it (the small place). The FED place also has HVC on a small sale. Nice to see you again by the way.

Herfing
danmdevries Offline
#15 Posted: Fri, Apr 12 2024, 11:38 AM EST
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Barbara wrote:
Kyle Gellis' Warped cigars are almost totally comprised of Aganorsa tobacco as are Reinier Lorenzo's HVC. Warped's La Colmena Amado No. 44 has a profile that most could not distinguish from an habano, but they're about $16.00 for a 5 x 44. Any Casa Fernandez you may find is old stock as Aganorsa has retired the Casa Fernandez branding. As I mentioned in another thread the Gurkha Nicarguan is totalamente Aganorsa. I've heard a rumor, but haven't scouted it out myself, as yet, that a very famous cigar retailer has an excellent sale on an HVC five pack sampler, which I believe is all Aganorsa.


I've been loving on Warped lately.

HVC I can only find full price, or on sale at places that get me with the 37% indiana cigar tax. I've smoked one or two HVCs from other people.
clickbangdead Offline
#16 Posted: Fri, Apr 12 2024, 11:52 AM EST
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Barbara wrote:
Kyle Gellis' Warped cigars are almost totally comprised of Aganorsa tobacco as are Reinier Lorenzo's HVC. Warped's La Colmena Amado No. 44 has a profile that most could not distinguish from an habano, but they're about $16.00 for a 5 x 44. Any Casa Fernandez you may find is old stock as Aganorsa has retired the Casa Fernandez branding. As I mentioned in another thread the Gurkha Nicarguan is totalamente Aganorsa. I've heard a rumor, but haven't scouted it out myself, as yet, that a very famous cigar retailer has an excellent sale on an HVC five pack sampler, which I believe is all Aganorsa.

La Colmena are pretty regularly (like....currently at the tenaki place..) available for approximately $10. Great value at that price. I'm also a fan of the Aganorsa Rare Leaf too, often on sale at the same location.
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