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Ryan330 Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 03-18-2024
Posts: 9
I am pretty new to the seen and have bought a lot of samplers and what I could to try and find my "go to" cigars. Any recommendations or advise on how to build by humidor with good sticks at low costs? Also, how do people get their hands on cubans...I have tried but no success. Would be open to trading and people sending me sticks to try, even thinking of doing a youtube review for beginners. The reviews that I have seen are somewhat unbearable to watch!
tonygraz Offline
#2 Posted:
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Forget either "Cubans" or "Low cost". Buying in 5 or 10 packs is a good way to try new cigars. I have 2 classes of cigars - yard gars (more concern over burn than taste) and sit down cigars (where taste is the word). If you can find low cost cigars for both categories, you will do well. I stopped watching reviews several years ago as my palate is often different than others. As you are pretty new, it might be advisable not to stock up on cigars you like as your tastes may change and having several boxes of a cigar you no longer care for is not the way to fill your storage space.
Abrignac Offline
#3 Posted:
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An unknown asking how obtain contraband in a public forum is a recipe for disaster. I’m sure you’ll get a few comments about such. You’re a long way from getting that information. I’d suggest you start by posting in the trade forum. Gain some credibility then perhaps someone will help you out.

As far a cheap is concerned, I’ve found you pretty much get what you pay for. One dollar cigars taste and burn like one dollar cigars.
Jakethesnake86 Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 12-29-2020
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What do you currently have in your stash?? Out of those do you have a favorite??

Mild or full bodied? Medium??

We could help maybe if you add a few details.

There’s some decent bundle cigars that won’t break the bank or you can pay 8-10 dollars a piece for some very very great cigars. It’s all in what you’re into.
Huzza3045 Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 11-07-2022
Posts: 545
Regarding budgeting, I’d recommend signing up for a couple email lists and waiting for good deals. I often only buy sticks when they go on sale, but the sales are pretty frequent on some pages (like the monkey one)

Also, if you want to try new sticks, I’d recommend joining the N00B PIB.
Ryan330 Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 03-18-2024
Posts: 9
I bounce arounds sites, finding the best deals...I have a few Oliva Serie O, have tried a few CAO from samplers and just won a few bids on here, Cohiba Blue and Red, . For everyday smokes, I bought Quorum and Fumas here and there but really like Odyssey for the price point and the fact that they're long fillers...Habano being my favorite thus far.
I just can't believe how many new brands there are out there, and even staple brands have multiple labels in which they sell. I was into cigars maybe 20 years ago and there were a handful of brands and all were somewhat reasonably priced. I cannot believe how much Fuente's and Davidoff's sell for...are they that amazing? Also, it seams that brands all got bought out by the big guys...like CAO being bought by International, are they the same or has the quality changed now that they're mass produced?
Are these boutique brands really that good...Warped, Caldwell...etc?
Huzza3045 Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 11-07-2022
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Personally, I’ve never met a Fuente or a Warped I didn’t enjoy. On the contrary, never met a CAO I did like, but I know there are some that are more highly regarded than others (e.g., flathead and Brazilia)

Also, I agree Davidoff feels overpriced. I’d recommend going for their cheaper brands that are (in my opinion) nearly as good (e.g., griffins and AVO)
Mraia Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 04-18-2019
Posts: 426
Forget Cubans. Your aint there yet, and couldnt afford them if you were (you stated your looking for budget sticks. Im not trying to be snarky). Plus, as Abrignac has stated, THEY ARE ILLEGAL.
So, what LEGAL and CHEAP cigars should you explore? From what you say, you like Oliva. Nothing wrong there. In that same vein are Perdomos. Wonderful cigars for around $8-$10. Get some Tatuaje. Cigar Bid has some and they are good. Brick House bundles are well regarded. Rocky Patel...some hate em, many dont. They can be had relatively cheap, and they have pretty good quality. I will get some pushback on that but theres a lot of them to try, and again, not terribly expensive.

Samplers, samplers, samplers. All the sites have them. Identify your taste (mild, medium, strong, Maduro, Connie, etc) and build from there.

this aint a cheap hobby, but it doesnt have to cost a fortune.

Always remember. Smoke what you like, not what you think you should like or what others like. Exploration is the key here.
Ryan330 Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 03-18-2024
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"Smoke what you like" I like that a lot...as it seams there are trends in this, as in any hobby. Some act as snobs if you're not smoking the most expensive and trendiest sticks. It seams a lot has changed since I was last in this game, fuller cigars are now more popular than mellow. I like all types, from Macanudo to a Punch Diablo. What's the verdict on Infused or Flavored? Is that still a no no for the real aficionados? I thought about pulling the trigger on some Legends that were priced well on here.
MidnightToker( • )( • ) Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 10-20-2023
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Ryan330 wrote:
"Smoke what you like" I like that a lot...as it seams there are trends in this, as in any hobby. Some act as snobs if you're not smoking the most expensive and trendiest sticks. It seams a lot has changed since I was last in this game, fuller cigars are now more popular than mellow. I like all types, from Macanudo to a Punch Diablo. What's the verdict on Infused or Flavored? Is that still a no no for the real aficionados? I thought about pulling the trigger on some Legends that were priced well on here.

I hear ppl get chit for smoking flavored but I always say what is stated above "Do what you want, not what others want you to do". So who cares if it's a no-no? There shouldnt even be such a thing. Ppl trying to tell others what not to do likely just to feel superior. It amazes me how much people let others control them.

I started on flavored cigars and loved them. However, my first quality traditional cigar blew them out of the water and I never went back. I tried one a year in just to see if I still liked them but couldn't even finish it. I still like the smell of them tho so I don't mind when someone is smoking one. I've been told the Java and Java mint are good but pricey.
jeebling Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 08-04-2015
Posts: 1,131
My only problem with samplers is that I get only one shot at a cigar. I’ve found that I’d rather smoke at least 3 cigars of the same blend to get a good feel for it. Otherwise, samplers are a wonderful way to expose my palate to different blends and vitolas. Frankly, my preferred method is to buy a few fivers of Corojo and compare the brands. Then I’ll try Connecticut then I’ll try some Maduro blends, etc.. I make sure to compare different wrappers from one brand and the same wrapper from different brands. I’ve learned what a Connecticut tastes like and what Corojo tastes like, etc.. I’ve learned the difference between short-filler Cuban sandwich cigars and long-filler cigars, I’ve learned that the wrapper might account more for the taste but the binder and filler can change the flavor and accounts for the strength and “body” of the cigar. I’m still learning and it has been a lot of fun. I think learning with cheap cigars has been a wise decision for me. I’m buying more expensive cigars now but still experimenting and learning so I’m not buying the most expensive offerings. I stay away from buying boxes because I’m likely to change my mind about which cigars are my favorites as I continue to buy different brands and blends. I’ve learned to let my cigars rest at approximately 65% RH for at least 2 weeks before I smoke them because the burn and flavor will change quite a bit if the cigar has been transitioning between different RH and temperatures.

Although I’ve been smoking cigars since the ‘90s, I’ve only just recently started smoking quite a bit more and trying different tobaccos. I consider myself a noob in the forums and a noob to understanding cigar brands and tobacco blends. I think I keep my attitude adjusted to the “receive” mode and I take recommendations and advice from the guys here in the forums. Most are welcoming and helpful, some are full of chit and you’ll be able to figure that out on your own. I wish you good luck and hope you enjoy learning about cigars.
jeebling Offline
#12 Posted:
Joined: 08-04-2015
Posts: 1,131
Ryan330 wrote:
"Smoke what you like" I like that a lot...as it seams there are trends in this, as in any hobby. Some act as snobs if you're not smoking the most expensive and trendiest sticks. It seams a lot has changed since I was last in this game, fuller cigars are now more popular than mellow. I like all types, from Macanudo to a Punch Diablo. What's the verdict on Infused or Flavored? Is that still a no no for the real aficionados? I thought about pulling the trigger on some Legends that were priced well on here.


I agree with Toker. Ignore the cigar snobs and smoke what you enjoy. How will you know what a “good” cigar is if you haven’t smoked a “bad” one and an “average” one? Plus, the fun is in discovering what I like, not following the lead of the cool kids.
Ryan330 Offline
#13 Posted:
Joined: 03-18-2024
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Thanks Jeebling! It's like anywhere on the net, as I tell my kids...there are always going to be negative people, you just have to deal with it. I feel welcome so far and have read some interesting stuff on this thread, along with other discussions that should help me get back in the game and enjoy the smoking tradition again. I find it very relaxing and somewhat therapeutic. cigars are a craft and work of art....Various price point, tastes and traditions go into it. I would love to someday try an Opus X or fine Cuban, but for the time being I will find what suites me and my wallet. This is definitely not a hobby for the faint of heart....my first big purchase a couple of months ago was around $300 and it did not go far, lol.
LeeBot Offline
#14 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2020
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Ryan330 wrote:
I was into cigars maybe 20 years ago and there were a handful of brands and all were somewhat reasonably priced. I cannot believe how much Fuente's and Davidoff's sell for...are they that amazing? Also, it seams that brands all got bought out by the big guys...like CAO being bought by International, are they the same or has the quality changed now that they're mass produced?
Are these boutique brands really that good...Warped, Caldwell...etc?


I took about a 12 year break from buying cigars, wasn't keeping up with what was happening, and yeah, things changed a lot. In the mid 2000s, there just weren't a bunch of boutique brands at all. Warped, Caldwell, Crowned Heads, Stolen Throne, Ezra Zion, etc., etc. have all come out. Fuque, I remember when Drew Estate made their first unflavored cigars. I think the quality of the newer boutique brands is generally much better, much more interesting.

They're also a LOT pricier. I was shocked when I saw what had happened to prices, and that was before this latest round of inflation. Today's cigars are richer and fuller bodied too. I remember when JdN Añtano and Rocky Patel The Edge were really strong cigars. Ring gauges have also skyrocketed.

So, even though cigars are a lot more expensive overall, there are still some deals, and I think the market is much better. I wouldn't want to go back.
MidnightToker( • )( • ) Offline
#15 Posted:
Joined: 10-20-2023
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I don't have a lot of experience with Cubans but I know the consensus is that once upon a time a Cuban could be had for a few dollars more than a new world cigar, was far superior in taste, and equal in construction. Nowadays they cost twice as much, are only slightly superior to the high end NW cigars in taste, and are inferior in construction due to the skilled rollers leaving Cuba for better jobs in NW cigars. So I wouldn't even be chasing them anymore.

As for OpusX's, ironically I just had my first one yesterday. Wasn't chasing them because I didn't like the 3 or 4 Fuente cigars I've tried in my smoking career and had totally written them off. However an OpusX was given to me and after smoking it I'll be on the lookout for more. Do yourself a favor and try one. Unless money is tight, then do yourself a favor and don't try one so u don't know what your missing.

Also, Law Enforcement doesn't give two chits about Cuban cigars. They have bigger fish to fry and cant get recruits and help thanks to the defund the police BS. Maybe CBP, but I doubt many of them even do.
Honestly, the illegal status probably sells more cigars than if they were legal. I heard once that 75% of all Cubans end up in the U.S. Ppl want what they can't have, and feel special when they have something they shouldn't have or that is rare. That adds a lot to the Cuban cigar hype. It's not all quality adding to the hype. You can try establishing a repertoire with a vendor then ask, but it's unlikely someone is willing to risk their business to sell Cubans and highly likely youll be sold a fake. Everyone I know who buys them, buys them online from overseas and has no problem getting them shipped. Good luck.
Ryan330 Offline
#16 Posted:
Joined: 03-18-2024
Posts: 9
MidnightToker( • )( • ) wrote:
I don't have a lot of experience with Cubans but I know the consensus is that once upon a time a Cuban could be had for a few dollars more than a new world cigar, was far superior in taste, and equal in construction. Nowadays they cost twice as much, are only slightly superior to the high end NW cigars in taste, and are inferior in construction due to the skilled rollers leaving Cuba for better jobs in NW cigars. So I wouldn't even be chasing them anymore.

As for OpusX's, ironically I just had my first one yesterday. Wasn't chasing them because I didn't like the 3 or 4 Fuente cigars I've tried in my smoking career and had totally written them off. However an OpusX was given to me and after smoking it I'll be on the lookout for more. Do yourself a favor and try one. Unless money is tight, then do yourself a favor and don't try one so u don't know what your missing.

Also, Law Enforcement doesn't give two chits about Cuban cigars. They have bigger fish to fry and cant get recruits and help thanks to the defund the police BS. Maybe CBP, but I doubt many of them even do.
Honestly, the illegal status probably sells more cigars than if they were legal. I heard once that 75% of all Cubans end up in the U.S. Ppl want what they can't have, and feel special when they have something they shouldn't have or that is rare. That adds a lot to the Cuban cigar hype. It's not all quality adding to the hype. You can try establishing a repertoire with a vendor then ask, but it's unlikely someone is willing to risk their business to sell Cubans and highly likely youll be sold a fake. Everyone I know who buys them, buys them online from overseas and has no problem getting them shipped. Good luck.


I've always wondered about that....like back in the day (before my time) when Coors beer was only available out west and flocks of people would base their vacation plans to buy it.
jeebling Offline
#17 Posted:
Joined: 08-04-2015
Posts: 1,131
Ryan330 - Welcome aboard and don’t forget to read up on the commonly used acronym thread. A guy smarter than me can post those helpful links for you.

As drgInc sez…Stay Smokey!
Mraia Offline
#18 Posted:
Joined: 04-18-2019
Posts: 426
Those Legends cigars are the bomb. I love them. Not an everyday, or every week kind of thing, at least for me, but man they are tasty. Dont buy into anything you read here that starts out with someone saying your taste sux. We've all been on the receiving end of that brand of BS and most of us have, at some time or another, doled some of it out. We've all done it... Hell my first week here someone told me (all in caps) my taste in cigars sucked. I didnt appreciate it then, and dont now.

now go bid on those Legends. They are nice!
Ryan330 Offline
#19 Posted:
Joined: 03-18-2024
Posts: 9
Just got a 5 pack on Freefall for a decent price...can't wait to try them!
Mraia Offline
#20 Posted:
Joined: 04-18-2019
Posts: 426
Ryan330 wrote:
Just got a 5 pack on Freefall for a decent price...can't wait to try them!

Good for you! If you don’t like them put them aside, someone you know will.
Tiver Offline
#21 Posted:
Joined: 08-22-2019
Posts: 329
If you buy 10 cigars and only smoke 5 before you buy another 10, you will have 15 cigars. Repeat and then you have 20. Then 25, etc. So it goes and your humidor starts to fill up.

Now there is a moral to this story. If you keep buying more than you smoke and you aren't sure what you like, you're going to end up with plenty of cigars you don't like. "Don't like" is a very relative term and it might just mean cigars you thought were OK, but you wouldn't look to buy again. So as you start out, my advice is to buy at a rate that only slightly exceeds consumption. You are far less likely to end up with too many smokes you don't want.

A few thoughts:

Some of the mid range singles on CBid go for $4-$10. The $4 ones go in 5 packs for $12-$17 and the $10 ones maybe $25-$40. Some will say one is not enough to judge a cigar. I'll go along with that. However, it could be said that 5 is more than enough to know you don't like it. If you start with buying the singles that you have read about by regular smokers, like on the "What are you smoking now azzhats" thread, you will get more variety for less overall expense and you'll be less likely to end up with excess that you don't enjoy. Your cost per cigar will be higher, but your cost per cigar enjoyed will be lower.

Ignore the ad copy from the seller. They are there to sell cigars. Every single cigar they sell will sound like a piece of heaven rolled in a tobacco leaf. The wrapper, binder, filler info is something that is useful.

Many, many samplers suck. There are some samplers that are a good, but none that I can think of that are $1-$3 per cigar that come with a free lighter or humidor. Stay as far away from these as you can. You can find samplers from very decent cigar makers, but thy are more likely going to be $4-$10+ per cigar. Some might even come with a cheap lighter or cheap cutter. Some real good samplers can be had, but for real variety, you'll have to look at other sites



TLDR: Read up on cigars from places that don't sell cigars. At the beginning buy only slightly more than you consume. Avoid cheap samplers.
BuckyB93 Offline
#22 Posted:
Joined: 07-16-2004
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As others have said, your cigar preference can change over time. I've tried many different blends, sizes, makers. My tastes have changed over the years. Some of my favorites are still around and some are long gone. One thing that hasn't changed is my like of Padron cigars. I got my first one from Dave Zippy who was my newbie/elder match. I still remember it. A simple Padron 2000 maduro. As I tried various of stuff over the years the Padron 2000 turned into my baseline.

One thing that I've found to help is when you find something that works for you, read and follow others that have the same preferences. If I had to pick one "legal" cigar, I'd pick full bodied, maduro, Nicaraguan blend. With that said, I also like blends with Dominican and Honduras tobacco. I'm not into CT wrapper or mild cigars. I'm sure there are a ton of different ones out there that great but for some reason, they don't work for me.

I also ignore the published reviews and put more stock on comments and reviews from folks that have similar taste profiles as mine.

As for biding here, I place my max bid at 60 or 65% of the Cigars International (mother ship) selling price, If it doesn't win, no loss. I can try again because it will be up for auction again.
As for a bundle cigar I like the Flor de Oliva Maduro. This would be my choice for a bundle cigar. Padron use to sell a Fumas but the are long gone
As for other inexpensive cigars I like the Nica Libre, 5 Vegas A or Triple A Maduro, La Flor Dominicana, La Gloria Cubana, Man O' War and Man O' War Puro Authentico (haven't tried the others in this line),
jeebling Offline
#23 Posted:
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Helpful link for operating in this forum:

https://www.cigarbid.com...yms-and-Abbrevs-Rev-1217
danmdevries Offline
#24 Posted:
Joined: 02-11-2014
Posts: 17,382
Tiver wrote:

TLDR: Read up on cigars from places that don't sell cigars. At the beginning buy only slightly more than you consume. Avoid cheap samplers.


100%

Also expect your tastes to change. The best cigar you ever had you may not want to have 50 in your humidor after you've found a different best ever cigar. Stay small, fivers max. Some sites do singles sales. You'll pay a bit more per cigar than fivers but for $100 you could get upwards of 20 good cigars to try.

Buying bulk cigars to save money on the per cigar can cost a lot more than paying more for a single. I'm still caught by this at times, I'll get a box for the price of 3 fivers or 10 singles and try something new by thr box. Try 3 of rm and decide its not something I like. In the end I just spent $50/cigar because I only smoked 3 and gave away the rest. Should've just paid $50 for the fiver or $15 for thr single.
Jakethesnake86 Offline
#25 Posted:
Joined: 12-29-2020
Posts: 4,143
Current favorite bundle cigar room 101 ichiban habano (didn’t like the maduro at all and I love maduro cigars)
Perdomo fresco maduro is really good
Flor de Oliva are all good that I’ve tried
Oliva seconds are good
I buy Nicaraguan overruns for any time smokes

Thats my basic grab for cheap stuff I actually like.

Ryan330 Offline
#26 Posted:
Joined: 03-18-2024
Posts: 9
Amazing stuff guys, thanks for the advise! Feel like this is the way to learn rather than sites that lean towards promoting certain products!

Keep them coming! Currently puffing on a man o war virtue, pretty decent!
Jakethesnake86 Offline
#27 Posted:
Joined: 12-29-2020
Posts: 4,143
Build humidor for low cost sign up for email alerts for every cigar website known to man. I’d use a burner email address because they get to be a bit much. Every day something is on sale. That’s how I’ve built my stash. I’ve also got several cigars that I don’t like too much that same way so id recommend doing some homework before you buy a lot.
Ryan330 Offline
#28 Posted:
Joined: 03-18-2024
Posts: 9
I have made that mistake, I receive around 20 emails daily from them all and keep track of retail me not for new coupon codes that pop up each month. I would love to support my local b&ms but they are way too high. Try to at least buy a stick here and there when I want to try something different
BuckyB93 Offline
#29 Posted:
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Posts: 14,194
In cigars, size does matter.

I'm not a fan of large ring gauge (60 something or other) which seems like the big thing recently. A corona size would be in my target size but I do like belicoso and robusto (ring size of 50's ish or under), Everyone is different so smoke what you like.
danmdevries Offline
#30 Posted:
Joined: 02-11-2014
Posts: 17,382
That too Bucky is something I wish I knew as a noob. I thought bigger is better more bang for my buck n stuff.
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