Thanks Slim! You don't know it but you introduced them to me. In reading your post about Bucaneros you mentioned them. Have tried the Short Cruz and Ponchos (both maduro) so far and they're what I look for in a cigar. I may be screwing myself because not many others have noticed them yet and I've been getting them real cheap. Almost a black licorice taste there that I really enjoy. I love finding sleepers like that.