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Personally I think this guy needs to sit down... there isn't going to be a need for a draft for just Iraq.. yes his previous Office (democrats, Clintonites) reduced the Military drastically during there term..But the need for a draft to get people in there that don't want to be there in the first place is a disaster waiting to happen...I have served Proudly 17 yrs now and I have seen and tried to train many who really didn't want to be there and were there only for the College Benifits and the Money... these are not the types you Take to War and look for them to cover your @SS in a crisis situation... this Country needs God Fearing People Who want to Serve... and There are Many of US already serving and putting up with the Bull$hit left over from the last Office in Power...Bush Administration needs Americas Support and that will trickle down to the little guys like me!!!

Just my 2 cents
Hog

The volunteer Military is working. What we really need is equity in pay and benefits between Military Members and other Government employees. Let's keep the good ones in! Don't dilute our pool of Military professionals with malcontents.

I have never been a Rangel fan,but he made a good case in the interviews he did the past few days.

With the politically correct (see socialist/commie)
ageda set forth in the country in the last several years and the lack of character and ethics instilled in a lagre population of our youth the prospect of a large scale war (not police action)scares the H@@l
out of me.
The linkage between iraq, russia, china,& korea not to mention every one else, we are on our own.
Have you seen the video of N korean troops marching
and preparing?
Our service men an women are spread all over the face
of the earth and now they are talking about closing Ft. Knox right here in good ol' kentucky.
Do we have enough troops protecting home turf?, apparenly not.
SO... draft em, train em, pay em.
The sermon is now over, feel free to tithe 10%of your smokes to bbd : )

I think Rangel has good intentions in his logic, but, when it was supposively a shared draft in the Vietnam Era, it seems the economic disadvantage ended up being the majority that served.

In regards to possible war in Iraq, we had minimal casulties in our previous engagement and now Sadam is a much weaker adversary. Which is also why I beleive he is pursuing weapons of mass destruction to equalize his countries lack of physical military strength and consequently needs to be dealt now, before he obtains these weapons.

hey xrundog,
That is a very good point to ponder.

I agree that something has to be done to STOP Sadam and his under the table dealings! He is a butcher and anybody who thinks otherwise is stupid or kidding their politically sensitive asses!

This potential War cuts across party lines and it should! I do not believe we need a draft! Where the heck are we going to house and train all the new draftees, since we closed so many bases and installations over past 5 years!?!?!? We do not need a draft to deal with Middle East!

Charlie

charlie or anyone else.

tell e what saddam has done in the last year. don't tell what he might be capable of doing. don't quote me any cliches from your leadership about weapons of (as bush calls them) mass production.

tell me what you know as fact and not the bs coming from washington.

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sh*t rick, everyone know's about saddam. he uses poisen gas.

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sh*t rick, everyone knows we have to get him before he gets us.
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sh*t rick, only you left wing, bleeding heart, hillary loving, want all the goodies but afraid to stand up and work for them, gun hating, baby killing liberals,
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sh*t rick, same old sh*t. get off it.
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sh*t rick, you bitter old whatever, give us a rest from your psycobabble b*ll ****. usa forever.
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sh*t rick. maybe you're correct, but relax. pres bush won't get us in a war unless it is necessary. let him and his experienced staff do their work, remember they are all americans and have america's beliefs in their hearts.
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i smoked a rhino-hecto, plasty last night. it was a robusto madura. did i like it?

(( WWII there was a draft. There was no shortage of volunteers either. If there is a real threat, you must trust the populace to step forward ))

With all due respect I’ll have to disagree with you on this point. WWII was a different era. I think men in that era knew what it was to be a man, and knew the definition of the word “Patriotism”. I don’t see that in the bulk of today’s Youth. I do agree that the draft is NOT necessary at this juncture, however the discipline instilled in the branches of our armed forces could give the youth of today the shot in the arm they desperately need. You can’t be exposed to that type of a strict regime and dicipline for any period of time without it having some sort of positive effect on you. I’m not by any means saying the grass is greener, but if you look at Israel they have a mandatory 2-year service to the military for every 18-year-old male. From what I understand most don’t gripe about this, in fact most are happy to participate. I wonder would happen if you told an American youth that they “must” serve as a condition of being a US Citizen? What do you think the reaction would be? I wonder what the Liberal Media would say? I wonder what ACLU would do? It boggles the mind. But I bet you all a dollar that a generation of Patriots would in turn raise a generation of Patriots. Maybe I’m wrong, but I look at these kids today and I don’t think the bulk of them would care to step forward.

Now Rick,

I even agreed somewhat on your previous post and now your getting your feathers a littled ruffled. I will not lash out anymore and apoligize the times I did in the past. Will try to stick with your thoughts in this and future replies.

What has Sadam done in the past year? you are right, nothing that we know, other that what our government intelligence has told us. With Sadam, letting him do his hidden nothings and what we should be concerned about. Another examply would be North Korea, quietly making there Nukes.

I do think Rick you would agree Sadam is not a nice, if not evil, man. Do you think a man like this will find religion and reform?? When the tragedy of 9/11 occurred, there was a worldwide outpouring of sympathy and disgust of such a heartless and cruel act. Any sane, decent human being would be sickened of the evil that would deliberately murder innocent people. Sadam was one of the few countries that applauded the event.

I think I told you already that I have a closed friend that is from Iran, he is a very intelligent man, CEO of an Aerospace company. Said that part of the world, especially Iraq is run by Dictators that will dispose of you if you don't fully agree with their agenda. He is thankful to be in the United States.

This world will always have the Sadams, Bin Ladin, Hitlers, Stalins, etc., and there will be more wars. But, what is different in my opinion, is that if we allow a Sadam to gain the same strength as a Hitler, this would lead to WWIII and with our technology we would no longer exist. I don't know if war with Iraq is the right action, but, do beleive we must support our our leaders in whatever dicision they make, based upon what they know.

Our support is also a statement to the world and the Sadams, that we cannot be taken lightly. Remember what the Japanese Admiral said after their victory in the attack on Pearly Harbor?? Waking a sleeping Lion, because a united nation with the full support of the people, was going to be their foe.

Eleltea- thnx for the link.

I read the President's speach outlining his argument for attacking Saddam's regime. I am now much more convinced this would be an appropriate and necessary action. Here's the link if you are interested:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021007-8.html
I found the reasoning quite compelling. I am going to do some more research on it.

CNC- I think you underestimate your fellow countrymen. In contrast to your observations, I do see a lot of patriotism in today's citizenry, the youth included.

usahog- I thank you and am indebted to you for your service to our country. I respect your role in our society and the sacrifices your brethren have made.

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo reallyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy lol

Your right, sorry, it was sleeping Tiger. I knew it was one of those Putty Cats, LMAO. Hope Rick enjoys the humer of my error.

Culley... lol... sleeping tiger???? lol.
keep trying, ma friend!

Jefferson, your right, one last chance, it was one of those sleeping 'Dragon" cats, good night all

Now Jefferson, I am like a dog with a bone, won't let go.

I think I am finally right, following is a qoute:

" But as Admiral Yamamoto had predicted the attack woke the sleeping dragon and in the end, the US would reign victorious."

Now, please give me a little humor, what beast did you think it was, lol,.

here's the link i used:

http://www.bartleby.com/66/77/22577.html

Incidentally, this site is a great reference site...

CNC, Yeah, I guess young'uns are a bit different now than in WWII. Maybe it's 'cause their folks have taught them not to take what their Gov. tells them as absolute truth. Still, I don't think we should MAKE them undergo military service as a PRICE to be an American citizen. Part of being an American is the freedom to make choices concerning our lives. Give them the chance to volunteer if that's what's needed. And no one has made it clear that it is needed. I've said it before, I'll say it again: We need more freedom, not less. The draft may have been good in some ways. But the military is better off without it.

I just signed a 12 month extension to my current enlistment for the orders I accepted. That'll hold me over until I re-enlist next year. One Nation Under GOD.

J

Rick,
I call this Thread Jacking!!! but I'll bite...
I don't know how Jack Vanimp and his wife came into the limelite here? to answer I give you this
psalm:105:15

What do you Consider a Church?

Also did you know Ken Copeland is a Harley Rider??
would that make him not a Man of God? Harley Riders have bad Reputations you know??? just last year he rode out to a revival that was going on in a Texas Church and when he arrived in the Parking lot he was told he could not stay and could not go in??? do you think he left?? he laughed it off and made a sermon out of the event...who's place is it to Judge any man?

there was a Post on here awile back where allot of members got into discussions of there beliefs and religions/non Religions... allot of the posts made me angry and I even posted this is a good thread and I will post on it later... I never posted back... why should I? everyone has there own beliefs and I know what mine are.. I don't mind sharing them with someone who wants to listen rather than Criticize!!!

there are many a men who have earned there rewards and are awaiting there outcome... are you awaiting your outcome for your rewards??

Laterzzzz
Hog

How about a Giant Sleeping Dragon??? lol, I stand corrected.