Seriously, Msberry, Bahias are some of the strongest, fullest flavored stogies available (IMHO, and many others I'm sure)...also IMHO, they are incredibly good!...Try a box-pressed Bahia Gold with a maduro wrapper..Simply heaven!...One of my favorite smokes!..The bands on the Golds are (IMHO as usual) one of the sharpest bands (second only to an Opus band)...Now, as a sidebar,.... Rob...Feel free to suggest some more cigar "care package" trades with your fellow Elite 8 members...(hint hint..think Bahia)