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tailgater Offline
#1 Posted: Sat, Jan 18 2003, 5:44 PM EST
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Of particular interest is Col. Holmes letter.

http://www.1stcavmedic.com/draft.htm
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#2 Posted: Sat, Jan 18 2003, 9:27 PM EST
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that does not surprise me. i never thought of clinton as a moral honest person. all the references made about me being a gore and/or clinton man are words put in my mouth and then rebutted by the ventriloquists.

when clinton was president, the country ran well and we had no deficit, but i would not have left clinton in the same room with any woman i cared about. i'd like to have said daughters, but i don't have any.

my disgust and displeasure is only with this fool running the country now. the last presidents i thought had decency in them were carter, who got screwed by reagan's people, and truman, who never abused his authority during or after his presidency. as i recall he took the train home from washington and did not steal any matches.

you had eisenhower, who never made a lot of money in the military or as president, but died and left an estate of about $5 million, you had reagan who earned an oscar playing the part of president, nixon, give me a break, he started dirty and got better. bush 1, now the big honcho with the carlyle group, who picked quale as vice president. maybe he thought if quale could be accepted in some circles, his son would look good be comparison.

but this one, #2, is an insult to this country.

i say again, i am not a fan of gore politically, nor a fan of clintons, morally.
rayder1 Offline
#3 Posted: Sun, Jan 19 2003, 8:24 AM EST
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Unfortunately, Clinton left a financial time bomb that was set to go off as soon as he was out of office. When he left, he lit the fuse and let it go off.

Clinton screwed the American people, not to mention a lot of other things. He ruined the economy by installing hundreds of special interest programs that stripped out the budget. He was going to face the music soon, but fortunately for him, he was out of office before the $hi7 hit the fan.

I am not a fan of Bush, but I can't stand it when someone says the country ran better under Clinton. He ran the country like a crook. Hid the evidence of his misappropriations and other crimes and left a huge mess for the next regime to try and clean up.

Sorry this deficit is several years old and is just coming to a head.
tailgater Offline
#4 Posted: Mon, Jan 20 2003, 5:08 PM EST
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Rick,
You hate the fact that Dubya grew up in Dad's shadow. But face it, if you had political clout and your kid didn't want to go to war, wouldn't you pull some strings?
At least our current President "played the game". The previous occupant of the White House not only dodged the draft, he ORGANIZED ANTI-AMERICAN RALLIES on foreign soil.
Quite a resume for the Commander in Chief.
What you shrug off as a lapse in morality is far worse than anything GWB may have done. Yet you abhor Bush and accept Clinton as the guy in charge when all was well.
Very short-sighted.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#5 Posted: Mon, Jan 20 2003, 5:26 PM EST
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well i have posted my height as short.

"But face it, if you had political clout and your kid didn't want to go to war, wouldn't you pull some strings?" DAMN RIGHT, but i'm not anxious to send other peoples kids off to die.

clinton did not organize anti american rallies, he organized anti vietnam rallies. and it should have been done by everyone years before.

i don't cry easily, but when i touched that wall in DC, my god, 50,000+, dead children, average age 19,
for what.

give me a reason these kid had to die.
jjohnson28 Offline
#6 Posted: Mon, Jan 20 2003, 7:28 PM EST
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Rick you'll have to ask Lyndon B Johnson for your answer but I'll tell you this, they died in service to their country.They died trying to free a people from thier communist oppressors.

Richard we kill 3 times that many innocent children every year via legalized murders and yet you cry no tears for the truly innocent among us.Why is that?

http://www.pregnantpause.org/numbers/us1996.htm
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#7 Posted: Mon, Jan 20 2003, 8:34 PM EST
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because in my mind abortion is not murder.

jjohnson28 Offline
#8 Posted: Mon, Jan 20 2003, 9:35 PM EST
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How nice for you,how sad for the wee ones. :0(
tailgater Offline
#9 Posted: Tue, Jan 21 2003, 6:57 AM EST
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"but i'm not anxious to send other peoples kids off to die".
Suggesting that our current President is "anxious" to send kids off to war is irresponsible. If you truly believe this, then you have a very short memory.
We can not wait until AFTER Iraq attacks to squelch his capablities.
Todog Offline
#10 Posted: Tue, Jan 21 2003, 7:34 AM EST
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Rick has a mind?
Charlie Offline
#11 Posted: Tue, Jan 21 2003, 8:20 AM EST
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War is not fun for anyone, but it is something that must be done to protect our freedoms that some among us think were gained through marches and protests, not fighting!

If you could ask Patrick Henry if he died for a great cause and he would most assuredly say YES!

Freedom is precious! It has to be defended!

Charlie
CulleyJC52 Offline
#12 Posted: Tue, Jan 21 2003, 5:53 PM EST
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I think we got off base with Rick.

Ditto what Rayder1 said, Bush was left with Clinton's hand which had already been played out.

As to Rick,

I haven't been negative with you for quite sometime and as I promised will not insult you as a person with my commments, but, Rick you are a hard one to figure out. The following are your quotes:

"i don't cry easily, but when i touched that wall in DC, my god, 50,000+, dead children, average age 19,
for what. "

"give me a reason these kid had to die"

"because in my mind abortion is not murder. "

Rick, in reading your thoughts, I can understand why you don't cry easy.

I don't think you really cried for the casualites of Vietnam, if you really did, how can you cry for the death of children, but, not cry for the death of babies???

My wife had a miss-carraige years ago, at the time I was a Division Manager for a Mortgage Company. I feel terrible to admit this, but, prior to this when one of my managers staff had a miss-carraige, I deemed it as an inconvenience for the department and could not understand why the women was on sick leace for so long.
When it happend to us I understood, every anniversary of this event I will see my wife cry and I try to be the strong one and quietly cry. They say miss-carraige is God's way of preventing the birth of a sick child, abortion is murdering in most cases a healthy child. I agree a person has a right to choose, or, maybe rape, they have to live with their choice, but, stupid people that choose abortion should be rendered sterile in the process so they can't kill again. Rick, how you can cry for one child and not the other is beyond me.

As to your comments of Carter, (Carter was a good man and could have been a great president), I agree with you that he got a raw deal, but, not because of Reagan, but, the mess he was dealt from the previously administation. Nixon was a smart man, but, he like Clinton was a scum-bucket. Now just to cover my bases with you, I realize Ford was in between, but, I considered his time in office as having no affect on Carter's tenure.

As to your other comments, I have yet to see anything of value from you that quantifies your comments about Bush I or II. The only error Bush Sr. made was to not finish Sadam when he had the opportunity and giving into the Democrats in raising taxes, which they later back stabbed him with, (read your history rick), .

As to Bush Jr., I have concerns about his experience had all decision making be left to him, but, he is at least smart enough to surround himself with smart people, including his father. A good CEO will not be intimidated by having the best CFO, CO, etc., superior people in there own expertise, versus, his knowledge. Look at Jack Welch.

Rick, your a smart person in alot of post I see, with a good sense of humor, but, your political convictions at times are based on shallow facts.
justforfun Offline
#13 Posted: Tue, Jan 21 2003, 6:53 PM EST
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God bless Col. Homes for setting the record straight. Clinton truly was, and proved to be later in his life, a snake in the grass and a weasel.

While I suppose every upper class has entitlements when it comes to wartime, it's really a stretch to try and put GWB and BC in the same category. Despite his entitlement, at least BC served his county and completed his duty. This story is an insult to those of us who were adamantly against the Vietnam war, voted for Humphrey and McCarthy, and still kept our committment to our country by registering for the draft. How the hell did this snake get to be the leader of our country --- this thread just pisses me off.

By the way, I'm anti-war in Iraq, but I very much like and support our President. So if he says we go, I'll be on board, albeit reluctantly.
jjohnson28 Offline
#14 Posted: Tue, Jan 21 2003, 9:29 PM EST
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"at least BC served his country and completed his duty"

Hey JFF Not to be a stickler but I'm pretty sure you meant GWB instead of BC, No?
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#15 Posted: Wed, Jan 22 2003, 3:13 AM EST
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i just finished watching 13 days.

i just heard the spoiled brat. "this is like a bad movie and i'm not going to watch it again."

i believe the word is petulant.

this one term president to be, unless ashcroft declares martial law, of course george would have to lip sync the words, is so fixated on war, he is like a child at a grocery check out line. "i want this, i want this."
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#16 Posted: Wed, Jan 22 2003, 3:17 AM EST
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CulleyJC52

your post requires more attention then my usual flip remarks. i will print it and read it tomorrow before i respond. thanks for what i'm sure will be a more interesting post then the usual middle fingers pointed at me.
tailgater Offline
#17 Posted: Wed, Jan 22 2003, 12:20 PM EST
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Rick,
I hate the Raiders.
I wish they never made it to the superbowl.
I am now officially a Tampa Bay Buccaneers fan.
But should the Raiders wake up Monday morning as World Champs, I will have to respect them for what they accomplish.
George W Bush is our President. You should likewise show some respect. If not for the man, then for the position. He has done nothing to shame the office, and only history will reveal his true accomplishments.
But to suggest that he is "fixated" on going to war is both imbecile and boorish.
Post 9-11 you lambasted him because you felt he "knew" yet didn't stop it. Now you cry because he is taking preventative (rather than reactionary) actions.
Your inconsistency is your most steadfast quality.
JonRP Offline
#18 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2003, 9:16 PM EST
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I feel it necessary to jump in and offer my support to Rickamaven. Based upon the current facts available to the American people there is no reason to go to war and for any loss of life. That said I must say I differ with him on my abortion views and am saddened by the death of unborn children just as much as the death Bush seems to feel our soliders deserve. To die serving your country is not always something to be proud of, as all countries (sadly) make mistakes.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#19 Posted: Fri, Jan 24 2003, 1:39 AM EST
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JonRP

i thank you for agreeing with me in part. i think you will be jumped on because you are not in favor of war now. you may not get as mch flak because you appear to be against abortion. i am also, but we differ on how we accept people that are pro choice.

nice to hear from someone that isn't 100% republican party line, but can agree with the parts he feels are valid, and can disagree with those he does not accept.
tailgater Offline
#20 Posted: Fri, Jan 24 2003, 1:10 PM EST
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Actually, I'm against abortion and I think I'm in the minority on this board.
As for war, I don't view the decision to engage in battle as a "pro war" decision. Rather, I see the forest through the trees and realize it is in our country's best interest to force Saddam out of office before his constant refusal to obey the resolutions as set forth post Desert Storm result in a bigger, more costly world wide war.
An ounce of prevention...
Charlie Offline
#21 Posted: Fri, Jan 24 2003, 2:16 PM EST
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I don't think anybody really favors war for the sake of war! It is an alternative to a darker future with terrorist punks killing women and children of any and all races and creeds! Like Joe said in above post.........an once of prevention!!!!

Charlie
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