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usahog Offline
#1 Posted: Mon, Jan 27 2003, 5:13 PM EST
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for those who might find interest in this about Saddam
http://www.biblecodedigest.com/

http://www.biblecodedigest.com/page.php/51

Enjoy
Hog "aka cornbread"
DrMaddVibe Offline
#2 Posted: Mon, Jan 27 2003, 6:07 PM EST
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Well I digested that like cornbread!

Interesting stuff. My brother-in-law has 3 books that deal with numerology and the Bible.

Check out Jack Van Impe Ministries.
THL Offline
#3 Posted: Tue, Jan 28 2003, 4:35 AM EST
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Both Miss Cleo and Louie Farrakhan say this is unlikely.
cwilhelmi Offline
#4 Posted: Tue, Jan 28 2003, 8:27 AM EST
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Miss Cleo is God, right??
SteveR@CigarBid Offline
#5 Posted: Tue, Jan 28 2003, 9:07 AM EST
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Miss Cleo left me a voice mail on my cell phone.
Charlie Offline
#6 Posted: Tue, Jan 28 2003, 9:09 AM EST
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I prefer the Thoughts and Writings of Betty Boop!!

Charlie
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#7 Posted: Tue, Jan 28 2003, 9:16 AM EST
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i.am.steve

what did she want this time.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#8 Posted: Tue, Jan 28 2003, 9:18 AM EST
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Charlie

even i would not respond to someone's personal religious beliefs. i hope you are not going to be mean again, except to me of course.
THL Offline
#9 Posted: Tue, Jan 28 2003, 10:46 AM EST
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cwilhemi,
If my subtle, scatheing, rapier-like sarcasm needs to be explained there's no point. I will withdraw to the mother ship.
E-Chick Offline
#10 Posted: Tue, Jan 28 2003, 4:20 PM EST
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It is all very interesting....thanks Hog
Spiny Norman Offline
#11 Posted: Tue, Jan 28 2003, 4:24 PM EST
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I see that predicting the end of the world is still very profitable.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#12 Posted: Tue, Jan 28 2003, 6:03 PM EST
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THL

too subtle. we are not all high school graduates.
usahog Offline
#13 Posted: Tue, Jan 28 2003, 8:35 PM EST
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Doc, I enjoy watching/listening to JVIM and also John Hagee... it has been awhile though since I have sat down and actually seen either one's programs... the Wife and I have discussed allot of things dealing with the Bible and all...(she being a PK and all) many things that do not like to be discussed in public or even sermond in Church is Prophecies and Revelations... many people do not feel well discussing these issues... (1) is because Facts are writen in Black and White and it scares many people and runs them off...(2)People fear what is writen about end times and doom. Because they do not understand or do not want to beleive the events in Revelations could happen at anytime (3) most people go take it in stride about there religion and God until something Tragic happens in there life then they fall closer to God/Jesus/the Church/Etc... or in some cases they blame the tragedy on God and close him out of there lives all together... in many cases people get so cought up in there Church and members of there Church they follow that and fall away from what there really suppose to follow then when something goes wrong with the fellowship in there church or with the pastor of the church they start losing interest in even attending...
as far as the Codes go.. if you type it in Yahoo you will find even the book Moby ****** can come up with ELS codes to events that have happened... that is not what I had intended this tread to be...nor did I entend to type so much here tonight....I am just amazed at how many of the Prophesies/events from the Bible have unfolded just in my generation alone.... I am a History buff and love to dig into both Biblical/political and the World histories

Thanks E, I will have a few more things to post later that are eye openers of current events in relation to what had been writen....

Spiney who is to Profit from a web site listing that does not charge to view it??? Mark 8:36

One person with a belief is equal to 99 people who only have opinions (John Stuart Mill)


Laterzzzz
Hog "aka cornbread"
efm Offline
#14 Posted: Tue, Jan 28 2003, 11:18 PM EST
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I'll be honest with you hog, I've heard of this code stuff and passed it off as lunatic fringe. But to be fair I never studied it or even read up on what it's about. Just tell me this in one word: Yes or no, is there anything to it?
THL Offline
#15 Posted: Wed, Jan 29 2003, 4:01 AM EST
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Well, Rick I would have graduated if I had attended. By 5th grade I was already sick of the politics.:o)
Spiny Norman Offline
#16 Posted: Wed, Jan 29 2003, 10:20 AM EST
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Spiney who is to Profit from a web site listing that does not charge to view it??? Mark 8:36

This website does indeed charge to view the rest of it's content. I would like to direct you here...
http://www.biblecodedigest.com/subscribe/
where you can sign up starting at the 25 dollar level. (At 60 bucks you can get a T-Shirt.) They also have a link to an online store on all pages even though that section apparantly isnt up yet.

Admitedly, not all doomsayers are trying to seperate you from your money. Many are trying to scare you into say, allow the leaders to sleep with your wife/daughter before you commit mass suicide, (Jim Jones & David Koresh),or maybe murder wealthy Whites to help move a twisted prophesy along. (Charles Manson).
Throughout it's history, plenty of religious leaders have "re-writtin", "translated" and "read into" the bible whatever suited their agenda of the times. (See Spanish inquistion, Salem Witch Trials and the Crusades.) I don't see this as being any differant.

MARK 8:36
What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his soul?

Maybe they are indeed forfeiting their souls with this enterprise. I suggest that that is for their maker to decide.
Spiny Norman Offline
#17 Posted: Wed, Jan 29 2003, 10:24 AM EST
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For more information on "End of the world" predictions........

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/9941/
CJBully Offline
#18 Posted: Wed, Jan 29 2003, 10:58 AM EST
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I love it when someone else does the research! Touche Spiny and watch out for the "axis of evil" that lurks here. }:{>
usahog Offline
#19 Posted: Wed, Jan 29 2003, 2:06 PM EST
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efm YES
Spiny Norman Offline
#20 Posted: Wed, Jan 29 2003, 3:00 PM EST
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efm, no.
usahog Offline
#21 Posted: Wed, Jan 29 2003, 3:00 PM EST
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Spiny.. I stand corrected and thank you for pointing out that the site I listed does have Items for sale on it.. and also there is a registration fee to sign up as a member on that site... but there is also the free literature on that site as what I had posted links to in my first post on this Tread... that was what I was refering to and not trying to miss lead some members who may be Interested in Reading up on these issues as I had posted this Tread to be in the First Place (For Bible Enthsiasts Here) not Agnostics nor Athiests to thread jack and create havoc as most do when they see something that doesn't fit there agenda... so if you would not mind Start your own tread on what you think people should respond to this tread I started for those who do care.... and Thanks Again!!!!


Hog
usahog Offline
#22 Posted: Wed, Jan 29 2003, 3:06 PM EST
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CJ I posted in a previous tread if you Have a problem with me personally you can email me about it... but to keep ranting on is Childish... I wont go into confrontations with you on a forum... but someday if you would like to discuss belief's and such i would be more than Obligated... but I'll say this in advance... I don't take kindly to rude remarks and such....

Laterzzzz
Hog
eze Offline
#23 Posted: Wed, Jan 29 2003, 3:12 PM EST
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God is love..Love is blind..Therefore Ray Charles is God!!
E-Chick Offline
#24 Posted: Wed, Jan 29 2003, 3:28 PM EST
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Hog: Forgive my ignorance, but what is PK?

I'm sure it's totally obvious, but I don't get it....
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#25 Posted: Wed, Jan 29 2003, 3:31 PM EST
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usahog

you will notice that in spite of the fact that i do not accept any religion or any belief in any kind of god, however it is defined, i have not posted anything.

i am not an agnostic because what an agnostic is really saying is prove it to me. the agnostic wants to belive in a god and a life after death, but cannot make the leap of faith.

i, personally, am simply not interested in religion or god, except as an interesting subject to debate because i do not know many people that have the same lack of interest in the subject,as i do, and i can always get a good discussion/argument going bringing up the subject.

you started this thread talking about your personal beliefs and ended with "I wont go into confrontations with you on a forum." you opened the door to confrontation when you posted your original post. you know everyone here on these boards are always in some sort of discussion, pro and con, about everything, sometimes with humor, sometimes with scorn. why would you think anyone would feel the need to respect your beliefs if they are not their own.

i am more interested in busting everyone's chops about bush and don't want to get into fussing about religion.

you opened the door. don't be surprised that people have walked in.
Spiny Norman Offline
#26 Posted: Wed, Jan 29 2003, 3:48 PM EST
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usahog,

Not too sure how I am jacking this thread. Appears to me that my comments are in line with the subject IE; biblecodedigest.com. Last I checked, this is a public forum open for discourse on any subject within the rules stated by Cigarbid. If you didn't want comments on the subject, perhaps you should have made the header something like,
"for the bible enthusiast here, please post no comments unless you agree compleatly with all of the views of usahog."
RICKMAVEN will make various statements and surprisingly he doesn't forbid others from participating on his threads. Nor do you yourself refrain from commenting on them even though its pretty clear that your views don't exactly match up with his.
Something of a double standard dont you think?

By the way, If you don't want Athiest and Agnostics reading such material, How can you possably save us eternal damnation? Isn't that every good christian's job?

usahog Offline
#27 Posted: Wed, Jan 29 2003, 3:55 PM EST
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Rick.. I respect your Beliefs and also your post here... I know and have known for along time you post to get peoples minds going and even at times their blood pumping... it keeps this forum alive... there have been many times you have done this with mine personally... but its all in vain I know I have yours also... I have even considered sending you out a care package because I felt sometimes I had demeinored your spirits so bad in some discussions it would be the least I could do... I enjoy SOME of your Optimistic outlooks basically as a challenge ... but also what I have noticed is you are set in your ways and you are not a young spring chicken.... in other words cannot teach an old dog new tricks.... So to just keep the forum treads on a balanced Keal... I will keep posting to your posts because it gives the other members two sides to a coin that allows them to come to there own conclusion on Issues....
What I was refering to in my last post was to CJ... and if you type in CJBULLY in the search and re-read some of his recent posts on a few of them somewhere along the line I struck a nerve with him... not that I give a ****... but if he has a personal problem with me he can email it to me and keep it off the forums... that way it wont clutter up the rest of the Bull we all shoot here....

Laterzzzz
Hog

BTW E PK = Preachers Kid...
usahog Offline
#28 Posted: Wed, Jan 29 2003, 4:05 PM EST
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Nope Spiny you've been reading to many Books...

no where did I post its my job to save anyone...nor am I in any way shape or form to take on that responsibility... and yes you are correct again that this is an Open forum and we are to abide to the rules of the forum... but you still insist on posting away from the intent of this Tread on this forum for what Intentions I initially posted it for... therefore I am under the understanding that rather than keep this as a dispute on whether or not to post or not... I'll just get back to the Issue of the Original Tread....
and you Sir can have a Nice Day.... may I recomend to your reading prefrence the #1 best seller????

Hog
Spiny Norman Offline
#29 Posted: Wed, Jan 29 2003, 4:30 PM EST
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How could I or anyone else discern what your intent was with this thread? All you gave us was the following...

for those who might find interest in this about Saddam
http://www.biblecodedigest.com/

http://www.biblecodedigest.com/page.php/51

Enjoy
Hog "aka cornbread"

Being interested in currant events IE; our impending war with Saddam, not to mention knowing what others are thinking (yourself and other christians included), I checked out the link.
Not counting yourself, I was the 10th person to comment on it and I did so on it's content which includes "End of Days" subject matter. It also isn't shy about selling more of the same. My comment reflected that.
As I stated earlier, if you didn't want a discussion of the subject matter presented on that site, it should of had some warning on it that it was'nt for anyone other then those who enjoy crackpot theorise. Oh, but how could you know that I don't enjoy such things until we have a discourse on the subject? Kind of a catch 22 huh?

Spiny Norman Offline
#30 Posted: Wed, Jan 29 2003, 4:37 PM EST
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As much fun as this has been, I must leave for the evening. Looking forward to continuing this with you tomorrow mr usahog.

-Spiny
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#31 Posted: Wed, Jan 29 2003, 4:54 PM EST
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usahog

"I will keep posting to your posts because it gives the other members two sides to a coin that allows them to come to there own conclusion on Issues"

and you should. and i forgive the reference to chickens.

if we sat down in my back yard and smoked and shot the breeze and watched the hummers, we would have more in common then it appears on the surface.

i suspect you are cooler then you let on.

rayder1 Offline
#32 Posted: Wed, Jan 29 2003, 9:47 PM EST
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I won't jump in I won't jump in I wont jump in.

Okay I feel better.
usahog Offline
#33 Posted: Thu, Jan 30 2003, 10:54 AM EST
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Spiny... Again I do not understand where you have any right to Judge who enjoys what? I believe the Judgment is left to that person and to God... as far as crackpot theories if we go over what God had told His Deciples and it Written in Black and White though out the Bible... the events that will take place and what to be ready for... and if you look back in History and trace the events that have unfolded through out our History you will see footprints of the events leading to those "crackpot theories you call them"

Now I would like to ask you... are you interested in this thread about God for a good or to just add a negative to eveything here??
either way I will still post the Positives because there are a few folks who seem Interested...

Hog
Spiny Norman Offline
#34 Posted: Thu, Jan 30 2003, 1:42 PM EST
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Spiny... Again I do not understand where you have any right to Judge who enjoys what?

I in no way am judging anyone. I am however judging the website that you provided the link to.

as far as crackpot theories if we go over what God had told His Deciples and it Written in Black and White though out the Bible... the events that will take place and what to be ready for... and if you look back in History
and trace the events that have unfolded through out our History you will see footprints of the events leading to those "crackpot theories you call them"

As I stated earlier, the bible has been re-written, translated and edited to suit those in power again and again over the past several thousand years. Therefore, I personally do not believe in a literal interpritation of it. I find it to be an interesting book with some fine sentiments therein. If you find more in it then that, more power to you. What the website you gave us does is use some extremely questionable and arcane methods to come to conclusions they are selling as facts. All of which is based on a version of the bible that may have very well been changed throughout it's history.

Now I would like to ask you... are you interested in this thread about God for a good or to just add a negative to eveything here??
either way I will still post the Positives because there are a few folks who seem Interested...

What I'm interested in is open, lively and intelligent debate on any number of subjects that might show up on this forum. My intent is not to "add a negative" as you say but to offer differing viewpoints. I'm sorry if those viewpoints offend you. That is a drawback to free speach. Sometimes it can make others uncomfortable.

Who knows, If we sat down on my deck and smoked and shot the breeze and watched the coyotes tear into the neighbors yap dogs, we may find that we have more in common then it appears on the surface.
Peace to you.
-Spiny
usahog Offline
#35 Posted: Thu, Jan 30 2003, 2:22 PM EST
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I'm sorry but you will have to do better then this... show me facts as to where it has been re-written and translated and edited to suit those in Power...

(Spiny Wrote)As I stated earlier, the bible has been re-written, translated and edited to suit those in power again and again over the past several thousand years. Therefore, I personally do not believe in a literal interpritation of it. I find it to be an interesting book with some fine sentiments therein. If you find more in it then that, more power to you. What the website you gave us does is use some extremely questionable and arcane methods to come to conclusions they are selling as facts. All of which is based on a version of the bible that may have very well been changed throughout it's history.

Version that you speak of is Scriptures and may very well have been changed throughout history is not a fact but only your opinion show me facts...

and BTW I shoot Coyotes who pester other criters

I'll be waiting....
Hog
Spiny Norman Offline
#36 Posted: Thu, Jan 30 2003, 4:33 PM EST
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Let me start by saying that I am not here to knock your beliefs. I sincerly hope that they offer you guidance, strength and solace when you need them. What I take from the bible is something differant and more of a non-literal view. I have found much good in it myself. (Surprise, I have indeed read it.) I very much believe in such things as in "do unto others...." "let he who is without sin.....". But I still believe that the bible has been changed over the years and that there is much evidence to substantiate that fact. With all that said, I would hope that you read the following with an open mind. not for you to change yours but to hopefully help you understand my perspective a little more.

You ask me to offer proof that the bible has not been changed.

As exhibit "A", I offer the fact that none of the versions I have seen are writtin in ancient sumarian, or greek etc. What early versions out there are bits and pieces from various early translations of multiple books.. This is why there are so many scholars out there debating every aspect of the book trying to piece it together (not so much to decifer it's meaning.)
Exhibit "B", The bible is presently printed in hundreds of languages. To get to the what we have today it has gone through many translations, Greek, Latin, Olde English etc. Each language with it's own variances and nuances that all languages have. Each nuance adding, deleting or changing the content in subtle ways. (you can do a good experiment of this yourself, Go to any translation site ( http://dictionary.reference.com/translate/text.html ) and type in a few sentences. Translate it into another language then cut and paste it back in and translate it back to english. Now compare that one with the original version.) Now imagine that happening with the bible, a very complicated set of books indeed.
Exhibit "C", There is presently 7 differant versions in general use today for english speakers alone. No telling how many actual versions there are in the rest of the world.
Exhibit "D", The early history of most of the books in the bible was handed down orally and were not written down for several hundred years. (One of the reasons we dont's know the exact date of Christ birth.)
Exhibit "E", One it was writtin down, the only ones with access to it were members of the clergy and Kings. All information that the illiterate masses got about the bible was through those condiutes. Don't think for a momment that those in charge were not corruptable.

All of these reasons and more are why I do not take a literal approach to the bible.

A good base discussion of the subject here.....
http://www.oup.co.uk/academic/humanities/religion/obc/bib_schol/

A contradiction here, a contradiction there, pretty soon it starts to add up.....
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/2347/f1.html

And from the University of Calgary.......
http://www.ucalgary.ca/~eslinger/genrels/O.T.CanonVariations.html

Here's a spin on it from the Jahova's Witnesses.....A group that likes to take a literal approach to the subject.
http://hector3000.future.easyspace.com/

One thing is for certain, We are not likely to see eye to eye on the subject. In closing, I dont dislike the bible, I dont dislike christians, heck, I even married one!

Peace to you and yours,
-Spiny






CJBully Offline
#37 Posted: Thu, Jan 30 2003, 6:16 PM EST
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Tread lightly Spiny, remember the "axis" lurks...

Bwahahahahaha
cwilhelmi Offline
#38 Posted: Thu, Jan 30 2003, 8:23 PM EST
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THL - I understand and embrace subtle and sarcastic banter, I was using the same principles and "playing on" your comments. Did you really think my response was aimed at anything more than humor?
THL Offline
#39 Posted: Fri, Jan 31 2003, 2:15 PM EST
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I can be as stupid as anyone else. And then some.....Just keep watching my posts. I'll prove it over and over.
E-Chick Offline
#40 Posted: Fri, Jan 31 2003, 2:27 PM EST
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Oh - my - GOD! (I am still allowed to say God at the moment)

Spiny has done way to much research on the subject...please move along...there's nothing to see here....Christians on the right, everyone else on the left....move it, move it!

Spiny Norman Offline
#41 Posted: Fri, Jan 31 2003, 2:53 PM EST
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(Hanging head repentently and shuffleing to the left )

Yes Ma'am.

(Ones things for sure, I will allways have a light for my stogie near at hand where I'm going!)
E-Chick Offline
#42 Posted: Fri, Jan 31 2003, 3:41 PM EST
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:)

At least you are a true Bible enthusiast as the thread title reads...now, the rest is up to you...to have faith and believe or not...it's a club that you have a choice to join...noboby's gonna force you!

Good sense of humor to boot!
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