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dmjdc Offline
#1 Posted: Sun, Feb 9 2003, 12:17 AM EST
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I have finally figured out the logic that allows the same people to favor abortion and gun control.
They only want to kill the defenseless ones.

dmjdc
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#2 Posted: Sun, Feb 9 2003, 12:29 AM EST
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no one is in favor of abortion.

the people that accept abortion as an unfortunate part of the human experience, prefer it be done by medical doctors and not by back alley abortionists, who also kill or maim the patients, or the scraping of the uterus with a coat hanger.

there have always been and will always be abortions. the question is who should perform this surgical procedure.

this is not a religious issue with people who have abortions.
dmjdc Offline
#3 Posted: Sun, Feb 9 2003, 12:59 AM EST
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well i would never catagorically say "no one" and second in no way what so ever does it stricly have to be about religion. as a man of science i know the heart starts beating on the 20-22 day, and abortion is NOT only about who is going to perform the procedure, no way sir. sometimes its about a teenage mother not wanting to deal with a pregnancy, so what is her solution.....remove the unwanted person inside her.
dmjdc Offline
#4 Posted: Sun, Feb 9 2003, 1:05 AM EST
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You know...sometimes i look at my two young daughters as they play on the living room floor, and wonder how many unwanted and aborted children would have grown into the sweet, adorable, caring, loving little people that they are if only they were given the chance to grow instead of having their life line severed because some feel that is not nearly as important as making sure some irresponsible woman has the "right" to do what she wants. It makes me sad.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#5 Posted: Sun, Feb 9 2003, 1:09 AM EST
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"no one is in favor of abortion."...Obviously someone IS! Otherwise we'd have a lot of murder charges on our hands.


Total killed in all U.S. Wars 1,150,244(including the Cival War!)

Deaths due to abortion since 1973 35,000,000

According to any Ethics class, it's not the doctors that favor this...

I swear by Apollo Physician and Asclepius and Hygieia and Panaceia and all the gods and goddesses, making them my witnesses, that I will fulfil according to my ability and judgment this oath and this covenant:

To hold him who has taught me this art as equal to my parents and to live my life in partnership with him, and if he is in need of money to give him a share of mine, and to regard his offspring as equal to my brothers in male lineage and to teach them this art - if they desire to learn it - without fee and covenant; to give a share of precepts and oral instruction and all the other learning to my sons and to the sons of him who has instructed me and to pupils who have signed the covenant and have taken an oath according to the medical law, but no one else.

I will apply dietetic measures for the benefit of the sick according to my ability and judgment; I will keep them from harm and injustice.

I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art.

I will not use the knife, not even on sufferers from stone, but will withdraw in favor of such men as are engaged in this work.

Whatever houses I may visit, I will come for the benefit of the sick, remaining free of all intentional injustice, of all mischief and in particular of sexual relations with both female and male persons, be they free or slaves.

What I may see or hear in the course of the treatment or even outside of the treatment in regard to the life of men, which on no account one must spread abroad, I will keep to myself, holding such things shameful to be spoken about.

If I fulfil this oath and do not violate it, may it be granted to me to enjoy life and art, being honored with fame among all men for all time to come; if I transgress it and swear falsely, may the opposite of all this be my lot.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#6 Posted: Sun, Feb 9 2003, 1:15 AM EST
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dmjdc

"making sure some irresponsible woman has the "right" to do what she wants".

who are you to judge some woman as irresponsible and decide what her rights are?
dmjdc Offline
#7 Posted: Sun, Feb 9 2003, 1:37 AM EST
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well ill tell you what rick, in my opinion, any person who decides to walk into clinic to have her child killed is irresponsible, and thats being kind, rick. who are you to think that this is acceptable behavior. by the way rick, i didnt remember asking your opinion. and since this board is for posting opinions, and i respect yours, how bout you back off a little.
calavera Offline
#8 Posted: Sun, Feb 9 2003, 4:18 AM EST
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I am of the opinion that a woman has the right to do what she feels is right for her. If that includes getting an abortion, then so be it. I do not think that anyone has the right to tell her that she can't get one. There are more than enough unwanted children in the world, no need to produce more.

J
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#9 Posted: Sun, Feb 9 2003, 4:30 AM EST
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dmjdc

sorry. i apologise. i just reread what i said and i should not have been as curt. thank you for pointing it out in a gentlemanly fashion.
rick
xrundog Offline
#10 Posted: Sun, Feb 9 2003, 5:35 AM EST
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Our individual liberties and freedoms pretty much ensure that some people are going to do things others see as wrong. I am not arguing for abortion. I think it is the wrong choice. But it's a choice. We are almost at the point where we can stop performing surgical abortion. With pills like RU483(?) they are pretty much obsolete. I think the people picketing the clinics might do better if they set up a table to arrange adoptions.
jreddoch Offline
#11 Posted: Sun, Feb 9 2003, 5:42 AM EST
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What if a woman learns her unborn child has a genetic disease like Tay-Sachs? There is no cure, the child will suffer horribly and die by her 5th birthday. Is it compassion or selfishness to allow this child to be born? What about rape or incest? I agree that abortion should not be used as a convenience or for birth control, especially with the availability of "morning-after pills". I surely don't want to see it outlawed, either. This is my LIBERTARIAN, not liberal perspective. The government should never subsidize abortions.
SteveS Offline
#12 Posted: Sun, Feb 9 2003, 8:18 AM EST
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In early 1977, MrsS went to the doctor for his confirmation of her pregnancy ... during the visit, he casually informed her that "if this pregnancy is not convenient for you and your husband, we can take care of it quickly and easily" ... I found that very casual and off-handed near-recommendation to be quite disconcerting ...

I can understand and accept abortions that are done for the health of the mother ... I can understand those done in instances where the child would have a less than viable existance ... I do not and can not condone those that are done because of convenience ... "unwanted" children can be placed for adoption and there are many loving people out there who'd be very willing to give those inconvenient and unwanted children a decent and wonderful life ...

It never ceases to amaze me that those in our society who most strongly favor abortion on demand are the same people who are most strongly against capital punishment ... they will march in protest and sign petitions on behalf of violent murderers but conduct their marches and sign their petitions in favor of the wholesale slaughter if innocent babies ... their utter lack of consistent logic is something I cannot begin to fathom ...
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#13 Posted: Sun, Feb 9 2003, 8:54 AM EST
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SteveS

change doctors. any doctor that would even suggest that is a money hungry no good sob.
cwilhelmi Offline
#14 Posted: Sun, Feb 9 2003, 9:03 AM EST
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The government as well as doctors, republicans, democrats, and any other groups have no right telling a woman what she can or cannot do to her body.

I am anti abortion for myself, but pro-choice for women and the US. And anyone who spouts off about adoption over and over needs to wake up and think about the care given to an unwanted child. I've seen pregnant women who drank and smoked and participated in illegal drug use without giving even passing thought to the fetus inside them. There's a difference between mercy and murder...
tailgater Offline
#15 Posted: Sun, Feb 9 2003, 11:02 AM EST
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There indeed exist instances when an abortion is justifiable, and I think we've covered most above.
And none of us want additional government regulation.
But let's call a spade a spade. Abortion is the ending of a human life. Whether you are for or against it, it is an act which "kills" the baby.
The fact that the "pro-choice" crowd ignores this is quite obvious. Then they hide behind the religious theme. They haven't the balls to admit what they know to be true. Then they want my tax dollars to support it.
The government CAN tell you what to do to your body. In most states it is illegal to attempt suicide. We can't smoke marajuana. We can't clone ourselves. We can't walk around naked. We can't urinate where we choose. Heck, even oral sex and sodomy are illegal in many states.
But we continue to fight for the "right" to murder the unborn.
How very Civil of us...
SteveS Offline
#16 Posted: Sun, Feb 9 2003, 11:13 AM EST
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The image of a big parade down Market St in SF with all the marchers carrying signs supporting a mans right to urinate where he chooses somehow springs to mind when I read 'gater's response (above) ... wonder what sort of coverage the press would give it ... and whether our esteemed Senator Boxer would be willing to sponsor some sort of congressional action ...
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#17 Posted: Sun, Feb 9 2003, 11:21 AM EST
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WE MUST BE FREE TO PEE...WE MUST BE FREE TO PEE...WE MUST BE FREE TO PEE...WE MUST BE FREE TO PEE...

NO PEE NO PEACE...NO PEE NO PEACE...NO PEE NO PEACE...NO PEE NO PEACE...
usahog Offline
#18 Posted: Sun, Feb 9 2003, 11:47 AM EST
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JJ ummm Bro yer startin to sound like the Rev. Jessie Jackson??? hhhhmmmmm we gunna start callin ya RJJ

now about this Anti Oral Sex States??? I'm not movin to one of them... I still got my Snorkle!!!!!


Hog
uncleb Offline
#19 Posted: Mon, Feb 10 2003, 10:08 AM EST
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"It never ceases to amaze me that those in our society who most strongly favor abortion on demand are the same people who are most strongly against capital punishment... their utter lack of consistent logic is something I cannot begin to fathom"

Doesn't that "lack of consistent logic" apply to the fact that those most in favor of capital punishment are the same people that are most strongly against legalized abortion?
dmjdc Offline
#20 Posted: Mon, Feb 10 2003, 11:15 AM EST
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uncleb,you make a valid point. it is true that most liberals are prochoice and against capital punishment, and most conservatives are prolife and infavor of capital punishment. i used to be the later of the two, but i had a change of heart about two years ago. i personally am prolife and against capital punishment. i respect all views because i have been on both sides at one time. my past views were this: its ok to perform capital punishment because unlike unborn children, they have had the chance in life to make their decisions, good or bad, and i felt an eye for an eye was the answer. i now feel that it is not OUR right to take human life under any circumstances, in uterous or out. and my belief is based on a moral foundation i have set for myself, irregardless of religeon. but you make a very vald point.
plabonte Offline
#21 Posted: Mon, Feb 10 2003, 11:52 AM EST
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Although I don't agree with some of your view points dmjdc I do respect them.

I'm curious about your view of euthenasia (sp?) Although this isn't a subject directly related to abortion it is related to your pro-life views in your previous post. Are you of the belief that life should be preserved no matter what the condition/quality of life is for the particular individual?
dmjdc Offline
#22 Posted: Mon, Feb 10 2003, 12:10 PM EST
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plabonte,
euthenasia is a subject that i have grappled with for a long time. in my heart i feel it is inherently wrong for any person or persons to take the life of another no matter what the reason. technically euthenasia would fall in this category, but it is a tough call. you have to understand that even though i have my beliefs, under that umbrella of a belief structure each issue has a different bearing and weight. i feel that i am at point in my life where i can no longer say things like; "i am prochoice, except for this reason or that reason." or "i am against capital punishment except for in cases of this or that." this used to be my youth trying to "have it all" but sometimes in life we have to make decisions based on belief and fact both, make an informed decision and stick to your convictions and be unwavering. euthenasia, to many many people serves as a good thing, and in some cases a very humane thing. i understand this completely and at one time supported the idea. but since it technically falls under my umbrella of the belief that no person should take anothers life, i am not in favor of it.

as a side note. there IS only one instance that i condone taking another individuals life, and im sure this comes as no surprise to many of you, but that is in the case of self protection. that will also include war in cases of immenant danger. i am a loving caring person, but i would "drop" someone in a heartbeat if it meant protecting myself, my family and my country.

dmjdc
Sonny_LSU Offline
#23 Posted: Mon, Feb 10 2003, 12:16 PM EST
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I am for feeding the hungry, stopping the abuse, healing the sick, and comforting the sorrowful.

STOP ABORTION! STOP KILLING THE UNBORN! SINNERS!

Guys, try prioritizing your chivalry one of these days. Be a Big Brother or Sister, not a social annoyance. Be a GOOD father or mother, not a judgemental hypocrite. Before you bash those who have made choices, look yourself in the mirror and ask youself if you've loved and supported your children with as much passion as you've directed at this social issue.

I, myself, do NOT believe in abortion, but there are too damn many people suffering out there that need my attention............get it?
Sonny_LSU Offline
#24 Posted: Mon, Feb 10 2003, 12:21 PM EST
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btw, dm......when you post an opinion, expect feedback.....it is why these boards are here.
plabonte Offline
#25 Posted: Mon, Feb 10 2003, 12:39 PM EST
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DMJDC - a very well thought out and explained answer. Let me go one step further. It sounds like you don't approve of euthanasia (though it sounds like you do understand why people do it which is very good). In the event that someone is kept alive ONLY by machine, let’s say someone is brain dead but are being kept alive by a breathing apparatus. Is it wrong to disconnect the machine even though there is little to no chance of meaningful recovery? Or is it our obligation to keep and prolong life no matter what?
uncleb Offline
#26 Posted: Mon, Feb 10 2003, 12:55 PM EST
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DMJDC,

Thanks for the response. You have provided some thought provoking ideas. I have also begun to question some of my conflicting personal views for various reasons and enjoy your feedback.

Sonny- I find it interesting that you can insinuate someone is a "judgemental hypocrite" or that they are not a good parent by reading a post on a internet forum. Do have some supernatural power of awareness that the rest of us lack? If not, I would have to come to the conclusion that you are the "judgemental hypocrite" since you have no insight to what type of parent I am nor do you know the choices I have had to make in my life.

B.
dmjdc Offline
#27 Posted: Mon, Feb 10 2003, 1:11 PM EST
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sonny lsu,
if you have read any of my previous post you would know that not only do i expect remarks and comments, i welcome it, thats why i post in the first place....get it. :)

dmjdc
RknRmnd Offline
#28 Posted: Mon, Feb 10 2003, 1:21 PM EST
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Simple truths. You don't know what you would do unless you are personally in that situatuion. If it is your loved one under the gun that is smoking then you will probably want to see the person held accountable. If it is your wife, sister, or mother that was raped and with child as a result then you may change your views on abortion. Who is to say unless you have lived it what you might do. I do not support abortion but in the same statement don't support a government telling you what you can and cannot do. For those who are athiest and I know many it will be hard to understand. Call it what goes around comes around, "full circle," or whatever term you may have heard it called; When your life ending is stareing you in the face will you be strong and steadfast in feeling you have done everything you could in life to live right by your fellow man? Seek understanding before you condemn someone for something they have done is all I trying to say.
RJ
dmjdc Offline
#29 Posted: Mon, Feb 10 2003, 1:24 PM EST
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plabonte...in response to your question, i am of the opinion that if a person is being kept alive by "artificial" means because they for instance are brain dead, as in your example, it is perfectly alright to discontinue life support. i feel this way because, for example, when a person is brain dead they no longer have neural stimulation and in actuality they are already gone. to make it simple, i feel that if a person is on life support and can not sustain life on their own, and their doctors are of the opinion that this is a permanent condition with no hope of change, it is alright to end life support. again, its just my opinion, but i have come to this opinion over many years. i would love to hear what others think as well.

dmjdc
tailgater Offline
#30 Posted: Mon, Feb 10 2003, 1:25 PM EST
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I am prolife.
I must be a sucky parent.
Spiny Norman Offline
#31 Posted: Mon, Feb 10 2003, 1:36 PM EST
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I'm pro choice.


Does this make me a saint?
dmjdc Offline
#32 Posted: Mon, Feb 10 2003, 1:38 PM EST
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RJ,
it is true many peope change their opinion about any given issue, one way or the other, when confronted with that situation. as it pertains to me personally, i have definately come to many of my formed opinions through personal experience. without getting into specifics, trust me, i have seen good people go through tough times, thus the strong feeling i have on the subject.
i too agree that i dont want a government telling me what i can and cant do do some extent. i respectfully remind that we live in a great country with many freedoms, but those freedoms have to be protected. without laws to maintain some type of order, the country would be in chaos. so i think a blanket statement about our government telling what we can and cant do is a little restrictive, but i understand what you are saying. thanx

dmjdc
E-Chick Offline
#33 Posted: Mon, Feb 10 2003, 3:08 PM EST
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I'm pro-life, especially as a mother, but think that there definitely should be a choice.

There are many circumstances that would certainly warrant making a choice in whether or not to have an abortion whether I believe that it is right or wrong. I hope to never find myself in that situation!

I'm of the opinion of something that my father taught me long ago...(here comes the religion issue, and I am a Christian but I'm obviously not a Catholic)...he told me that, "celibit men in robes [priests] should not have the power to tell women what to do with their own bodies...nor should our government...a woman should have the right to decide whether my religion or I agree with it or not..."

There will always be 2 sides to this coin...





E-Chick Offline
#34 Posted: Mon, Feb 10 2003, 3:10 PM EST
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Target practice anyone?
RknRmnd Offline
#35 Posted: Mon, Feb 10 2003, 3:24 PM EST
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That's true anarchy is not the answer. I don't have the answers either. Just my opinions. Thank God my mother was pro-life. Just trying to help judgemental people understand that we all have choices. Don't judge unless you are first willing to be judged.
RJ
tailgater Offline
#36 Posted: Mon, Feb 10 2003, 5:41 PM EST
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I'm not so much against a woman's "right to choose".
I'm against calling it a "choice".
Stopping a beating heart is the taking of a life. If that is their choice, so be it.
But don't downplay the reality of it.
We have desensitized young women into believing it is their right, rather than teaching them what it truly is.
If abortion were illegal, there indeed would be backyard procedures with grim consequences.
But if we took the time to tell the truth then the Millions could possibly become only thousands, then the thousands could become hundreds. Until the legal act of abortion became what it should be.
A last resort.
xrundog Offline
#37 Posted: Mon, Feb 10 2003, 6:21 PM EST
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Maybe if more parents were supportive of their pregnant daughters instead of being angry and judgemental, more young women would carry babies to term. There are lots of couples out there who would love a baby, no doubt. Making abortion illegal will prosecute women who are already in crisis, emotionally, spiritually. Will jailing them serve a purpose? What we as parents need to do is convince our children that abortion is the wrong alternative.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#38 Posted: Mon, Feb 10 2003, 6:27 PM EST
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dmjdc

maintain your foundation of morals and you will have peace in our life.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#39 Posted: Mon, Feb 10 2003, 6:35 PM EST
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plabonte

euthanasia only one letter off, no big deal.

euthanasia: it's my damn life and when i think i have had enough and want to end it, it's my business.


i know not what others chose, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death.
RknRmnd Offline
#40 Posted: Mon, Feb 10 2003, 7:06 PM EST
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Tailgater, I agree with the philosophy of educating and understanding. Parents do have the responsibility to teach their children and help them understand they love them. Unconditionally if possible. Nor do I agree with abortions - even signed a bill that says every doctor that administers any abortion drug must first present every option available and give a psychological evaluation before and must see the patient atleast twice before administering one. This became a law here last November.
Understand that it is a choice, so is accepting faith, no matter what your religious beliefs or non beliefs. Everything we do is a choice.. however right or wrong.
RJ
DrMaddVibe Offline
#41 Posted: Tue, Feb 11 2003, 2:40 AM EST
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ric, that fine if someone wants to kill themself(tragic, but that's THEIR life). Why put the "stigma" of murder on a doctor's conscience? Meaning that this doctor is ethical. Likewise, why would a human that hasn't even breathed a breath outside of a womb "choose" death?

Death is a consequence of an action. Can an infant really choose to die on thier own? Really? Walk down any maternity ward and look in the area where all of the babies are. Not one of them is grabbing a nurses sleeve and motioning with their other hand in a throat-slitting fashion. In an PICU ward you'd see kids struggling to live and the miraculous thing is that not a one "chooses" to die.

Life is a precious commodity. We're born with one, and the meter starts running the day we "leave" mom. We're not guaranteed tomorrow, today, or even the next half-hour. If you knew you only had today to live would you really choose to be "free"?
Sonny_LSU Offline
#42 Posted: Tue, Feb 11 2003, 4:04 AM EST
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Ahhhhh......you see, ladies and gentlemen, if you took offense at my statements, that must mean you possibly have "issues". The same type of issues mentioned in the post.
I, by no means, want to tattoo all Pro-Lifers with that post. If it was taken that way, I do sincerely apologize (tailgator). It was aimed at those who have lost their way in the name of God's will.

BTW, I am a devote Christian, but I do not poke my head in the sand of righteousness as life passes by.

Sonny_LSU Offline
#43 Posted: Tue, Feb 11 2003, 4:05 AM EST
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devout...sorry
plabonte Offline
#44 Posted: Tue, Feb 11 2003, 4:50 AM EST
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Ok so if someone is on a life support machine and will not be able to live without it and this is a permanent condition then it is ok to disconnect the machine and in effect end the life.

Would not a women's body be considered a life support machine for her fetus? If it was determined that an unborn child was not able to survive on its own would an abortion therefore be ok? In essence the abortion is the disconnecting of the life support machine, the mother.
Sonny_LSU Offline
#45 Posted: Tue, Feb 11 2003, 5:22 AM EST
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Guys, no one will "win" this debate.....no one will be lured to or from the "darkside of the force". The elements surrounding this social dilemma are fueled by religious and political beliefs; therefore, nothing will be changed in this forum.

I hope the best for all of you and apologize if I've offended any of you.

Sonny

plabonte Offline
#46 Posted: Tue, Feb 11 2003, 5:38 AM EST
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I'm not trying to win a debate. I'm just trying to post food for thought.

There is a neat lyric from a Suicidal Tendency song named "You Can't Bring Me Down" that I think of when people apologize for offending people on this board. I think it goes "...and if I offended you, well I'm sorry but maybe you needed to be offended..."
DrMaddVibe Offline
#47 Posted: Tue, Feb 11 2003, 6:19 AM EST
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Pla, the mother isn't a machine. It's not providing an artificial means of support. It's creating. When the child is developed enough it's "birthed" and now it's on it's own...living, breathing etc.

The womb is an environment for the baby.
Sonny_LSU Offline
#48 Posted: Tue, Feb 11 2003, 6:21 AM EST
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Have a nice day!
plabonte Offline
#49 Posted: Tue, Feb 11 2003, 6:26 AM EST
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Can the baby survive on its own before it is born? No. Therefore the mother is its life support. Artificial vs. natural its all the same in my book. My question was what if its determined before the birth that the child will not be able to survive on its own once its birthed.

I'm not talking about aborting a healthy baby. I'm talking about aborting one that can not and will not survive on its own.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#50 Posted: Tue, Feb 11 2003, 6:32 AM EST
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Simply...

abortion

n 1: termination of pregnancy 2: failure of a plan [syn: miscarriage]

The mother can choose not have a baby, but the "brain dead" person cannot choose to be disconnected from life support.

If you don't have a "living will" stating your needs, then a doctor will PRESERVE life as his first instinct. If you don't have it in writing, it's not going to happen.
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