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usahog Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 7:29 PM EST
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https://www.newsmaxstore.com/contribute/france/#form

Hog
Tobasco Offline
#2 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 7:40 PM EST
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Hog, I'm thinking of contributing. Is the organization reputable? I've never heard of them.

Mag
jdrabinski Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 7:56 PM EST
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You guys are such freaks about other countries not agreeing with the U.S. I thought y'all believed in autonomy and freedom? Or is that only for you and 'us'?

France and Germany are their own countries, not satellites of the U.S. Their people have different views and their governments respond to those views. Christ! When I read this bull**** you guys post on France I think that, despite all your b.s. rhetoric about 'freedom' and the like, you actually envision a one world dictatorship of the U.S.

The U.S. is not the only view of world affairs. There is disagreement. Welcome to the real world.

John
usahog Offline
#4 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 8:06 PM EST
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Ahemmm JDR






















SMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

God Bless You DUDE!!!!!!!
usahog Offline
#5 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 8:11 PM EST
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Yes Mag they are.
they have been around a long time!!!
and there kind of Straight Dope , Rush Limbaugh type news source!!!

Did you read the article on it???

Evidently our Brother JDR didn't??

Hog

Tobasco Offline
#6 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 8:13 PM EST
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John

Would France or Germany be what they are now, if it wasnt for the US? To not agree with us is one thing, but to trash talk about the US, after what we have done to save their a$$es in the past, is not neccessary.

Read this.

‘Beneath Contempt’

And it gets even worse. Even Left Coast Democrat Rep. Tom Lantos of California said he was "particularly disgusted by the blind intransigence and utter ingratitude" of the Axis of Weasel after it gave Saddam the green light to attack Turkey.

"If it were not for the heroic efforts of America's military, France, Germany and Belgium today would be Soviet socialist republics," Lantos noted. "The failure of these three states to honor their commitments is beneath contempt."

This is by the left. Not my buddies, as you know. Even some on the left agree that France is wrong!

Mag
Tobasco Offline
#7 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 8:24 PM EST
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Hog

My contribution has been made!

Also I will not buy French fries, French toast, French wine or cheese! Hehe!

Hog, Ive been checking out the other parts of the site. Very good one, Ive put it in my favorites list. Thanks!

Oh, I read on the site, that Clinton is going to do his part in not supporting France! He has sworn that he will not French kiss, until this matter is resolved! What a patriot!!

Mag
usahog Offline
#8 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 8:32 PM EST
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No Thanks to me Mag, It was all Tar!!! he likes that site for refrences and posted it earlier and before on other issues... it is a straight shooting web site tho... not for the weak stomached Leftists Gorilla's


Hog
jdrabinski Offline
#9 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 8:38 PM EST
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A couple of things...

Since when does 'grateful' mean 'do whatever we say'? Being grateful means living as a democracy, which means they may not agree with the U.S. Sorry. We don't rule the world.

If you think rebuilding and defending Germany and France was just about us being nice and generous, then you have a ridiculously unsophisticated understanding of history. Rebuilding and defending is a complex matter, related to a number of things, not the least of which is having strong economies so that world capitalism can function decently well. Letting Germany and France rot in post-war poverty would have ruined the world economy. Good strategic move, the Marshall Plan, for everyone involved. It was a noble, but not completely selfless, act.

I wish people in this country could see the value in doing the right thing for the sake of doing the right thing, not because it will get you unquestioned obedience. What a fucked up way to run a life or a country.

I read this **** and realize, sadly, that it means you don't really believe in democracy. You really want everything at your will, which is the essence of totalitarianism. If you believe in democracy, then you believe that these countries must act according to the will of their people. And the will is not with the U.S. That's the real world. Get used to it. We don't run the whole show. Sorry for the ego hit.

The notion that the Marshall Plan means France and Germany do whatever we say is the biggest, most pathetic, and delusional ego trip I can imagine. Think about it.

John
Tobasco Offline
#10 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 9:11 PM EST
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John

I said,
To not agree with us is one thing, but to trash talk about the US, after what we have done to save their a$$es in the past, is not neccessary.

I mean that, OK, they dont share our views, but have you heard the derogatory remarks towards our President?

Sure, disagree but show respect for our views too. The French look down on us. They believe that their culture is more sophisticated than ours. They are purebreds that think there $hit dont stink.

Their economy sucks and they are jealous of the United States success and Power. They also have major financial reasons to support Iraq. Check out the web site Hog gave.

Oh, by the way, dont think this site is strickly conservative views. I've seen things I disagree with already, but not many. Check out the political cartoons, you will probably love em!

Mag
cwilhelmi Offline
#11 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 9:20 PM EST
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Everyone is trash talking France and Germany, but they can't trash talk us??? That doesn't make much sense...
Tobasco Offline
#12 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 9:22 PM EST
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They started it!
jdrabinski Offline
#13 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 9:26 PM EST
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Yeah, see above. I wondered this too...all this trash talk about France and Germany, then getting pissy when the tables are turned?

Frankly, French culture is old and very accomplished. In science, mathematics, art, music, literature, philosophy, theology...few if any countries have that kind of heritage. We certainly don't have that kind of heritage. Maybe in 500 years, but not now.

And, remember that our economy sucks too. France doesn't have a corner on that. Our economy is so bad that the President is proposing to cut educational funds for children of military service men and women...er, that's another thread...

John
cwilhelmi Offline
#14 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 9:28 PM EST
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and it's not just military children, it's those entire schools that will suffer regardless of military status...
usahog Offline
#15 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 9:33 PM EST
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Do you two guys with your 8.0 grade average's know what States Rights and Obligations are??? where is it that the Federal Gov. should have to pick up the funding for the Schooling in this Nation????
Come on.. Get real...read your legislatures and states agenda's...
Blame it on your Locals not GWB for cr@ps sake!!!!

Hog
cwilhelmi Offline
#16 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 9:36 PM EST
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read the original post and respond there, we've got this same topic on three threads... If Slim was awake he'd be kicking our butts...
Tobasco Offline
#17 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 9:40 PM EST
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Cris, I should explain further. I would bet that the citizens of both countries are trash talking.

The important thing is how the Bush administration conducts itself, and the French Gov. The French are not very diplomatic at all, for supposedly being sophisticated, their gov doesnt show it.

Their president shows no respect for Bush or the US at all. I will not support any thing they import to us.

Another thing, France has a record of supplying arms to low life countries. Its not a secret. They are money hungry due to their economic statis. Thats not good either. Also they left the NATO alliance in 1966. They are not our freinds!

Mag
Tobasco Offline
#18 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 9:44 PM EST
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John, they would love to have our economy. Theirs doesnt even show on a scale when compared to us.

Mag
cwilhelmi Offline
#19 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 9:45 PM EST
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They still have the right to support what they want to, if they don't want a war without making sure it's necessary then that's their stance. Making jokes is one thing, but getting angry and boycotting their country makes no sense!!
Tobasco Offline
#20 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 9:50 PM EST
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If a people dislike or dispise, you why would you want to support them?

Mag
cwilhelmi Offline
#21 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 9:56 PM EST
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Because they still support us,just not our war. They spend more money on US goods than vice versa...
Tobasco Offline
#22 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 9:56 PM EST
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Wait a minute here! Wilhelmi must be French! Hehehe!

Mag
Tobasco Offline
#23 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 9:59 PM EST
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They buy from us. But if you think that this little country, supports this economy enough to make much of a difference, than you underestimate the size of our economy.

Mag
cwilhelmi Offline
#24 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 10:00 PM EST
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German, Swedish, and Irish...
cwilhelmi Offline
#25 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 10:05 PM EST
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they're spending more money on US goods than we're spending on french goods is all I was trying to say...
Tobasco Offline
#26 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 10:15 PM EST
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OK, I'll take your word for that, but I dont think that is reason enough, to not boycott them. They dont like us. We shouldnt support folks that think they are above us. They are arrogant towards the US.

I bet they need us more than we need them, as far as economies go anyway. Our economy even though stressed, at this time, is still much better than theirs is.

Chris I gotta hit it! Getting late. Good debating you. Take care!

Mag
efm Offline
#27 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 10:17 PM EST
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I can live without French Fries, French toast and French wine but I'll be damned if I'll give up French at the brothel.
usahog Offline
#28 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 10:20 PM EST
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I also have to leave the scene for some Shut eye..

Take Care Mag, Chris, JDR if your still out there??

was good debating all...
Until Next time

Chris, I am still finishing up on the other post... its in a word doc and when finished I'll post it.. I did not forget you man!!!!

Laterzzzz
Hog
usahog Offline
#29 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 10:21 PM EST
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LOL efm... Night to you also!!!!


Hog
Tobasco Offline
#30 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 10:23 PM EST
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John

One last thing about them being accomplished at certain topics.

I noticed you didnt mention economics. Thats part of why they are making the decisions they are, MONEY, they need it.

They get much from dealing with Iraq. They dont want us to screw that up for them!

Mag
usahog Offline
#31 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 10:38 PM EST
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OK... I didn't go to bed yet... and Yes Mag, Your Right... along with Germany, North Korea, China and almost all the Nations that are Opposing a US Strike on Iraq... they Trade with Iraq Out Right... even though the Un put Sanctions on Iraq... these Country's still on a Daily basis do there Trading with Iraq... what they don't want to have to deal with is Trading with the US Abroad... and knowing full well the US like in Serbia and Afganistan are the one's left behind to clean up and set up Order in the Country (Iraq) if it may. and this in way of thinking May Cost them More then what there getting there deals for right now with Iraq under Saddam's Rule...
One thing I think (IMO) really Hurt Colin Powels Address to the Un. Was the fact that he mentioned in the end there about Human Rights Violations... Many Nations on the UN are Guilty as sin of the same Violations... they do not want to hear the US Bringing up that Issue....

Now Good Night and Thanks all for the Debates!!!!

Hog
ducati996 Offline
#32 Posted: Sat, Feb 22 2003, 2:50 AM EST
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Buy Wisconsin cheese instead of that French crap.
jdrabinski Offline
#33 Posted: Sat, Feb 22 2003, 5:42 AM EST
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Mag,

Are you suggesting that we are not dealing with Iraq out of economic interest as well? Surely you wouldn't say that. We clearly are. The French may have a different economic interest, but it isn't true that we aren't very motivated by economics.

Also, I would hope that our economic relations with other countries go beyond who 'says nice things about us.' I mean, seriously, this isn't grade school. Who cares what the French say? It is an ECONOMIC relation. We aren't boyfriend and girlfriend.

Are you suggesting boycotting every country that thinks and says negative things about the U.S.? Well, if that is the case, get ready to have an isolated and self-sufficient economy. Our arrogance on the world stage has earned us NO friends.

John
Tobasco Offline
#34 Posted: Sat, Feb 22 2003, 8:14 AM EST
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John,

Where did you hear from the President or Powell, that this is a war about economics? Its about the UN resolutions that havent been honored.

I dont want speculation but facts. I want to know when those words actually were said to the citizens of this country. Maybe I missed something, but I dont think so.

I think that Getting rid of Saddam is like, killing three birds with one stone(this is my opinion only). It not only disarms him and makes the world a lot safer, but also stops him from harming his own people. Also he is the one paying families of the suicide bombers to do the terrible acts. $25,000 for each bomber.

US intelligence has found a spread sheet of the names of the suicide bombers, what weapons were used, and how many people were killed in each instance. This isnt random killing by individual extremists, but organized terrorism. This spread sheet proves this to be fact not fiction.

Financing for terrorism is being done in this country by phony charities, that dupe people into believing the money is going to a just cause. The new intelligence findings connect Iraq to these facts. This fact was on the news this morning.

Since we have 2 very good reasons to go after him I am for it. The 2 are, UN resolutions and the war on terrorism. Either reason on thier own, works for me.

Now about France.

Iraq owes France, Billions of dollars, for the trades on arms and food theyve made. France also does oil exploration in Iraq. The French are buddies with Iraq. But at the same time, dont think they can disagree with them for fear of losing out on the money owed to them. There are many Iraquies living in France. The French dont want to mess that up either, because of the threat of terrorism from some of these people within their own borders(suicide bombers). I would bet that France would rather deal with a rational leader in Iraq, they just dont have the guts to say so, they would rather inforce thier relationship with Iraq by going against us instead. No guts to do whats right. Thats why I will boycot Frances products.

Are we going to wait until Saddam hits us with terrorist acts within our borders? I hope not. Are we going to stand by and watch while others are attacked by terrorists?

This is about humans being allowed to live in peace eventually. It is too bad that a war has to be the way we must do it. Sometimes there arent any other effective ways of doing it. We arent dealing with a rational leader here.

If you believe that Iraq destroyed thier weapons of mass destruction, and arent hiding them, then I think you have been duped by them too. This morning missle technology and parts, launching pads and warheads have been discovered by inspectors and reported. These missles have a range beyond the 93 mile limitations set by an earlier resolution.

He didnt turn these weapons over voluntarily, like he was supposed to, they were discovered by inspectors. Do you still want to trust him now? I dont. I'm sure its the tip of the iceberg.

Mag





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