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France Before and Now
usahog Offline
#1 Posted:
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the picture tells it all

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ducati996 Offline
#2 Posted:
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Who cares about the French anyway??...their opinion is as important as iceland....who cares???
Robby Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 10-30-2002
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Ducati,

"They (France) have Veto power in the UN Security Council... I don't think Iceland does."

I like that shirt though, shows their historic trend toward pampering and agreeing with the wrong side...
Tobasco Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 02-08-2003
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The UN security council, In my opinion hasnt any credibility, due to the fact that resolutions mean NOTHING to them. Its all a farce if the resolutions arent inforced.

I dont think France's veto power means "Jack" to President Bush.

We are going in, like we should, with or without UN approval.

Mag
ducati996 Offline
#5 Posted:
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OK...who cares about the UN security council???
Robby Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 10-30-2002
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we live in a global world with other countries. Believe me, I'm the biggest hegemony supporter there is, but you can't simply act like a redneck in a bar with respect to global politics. I'm a supporter of our president and I believe Sadam needs to go down. But you can't simply charge in like a drunk in a bar fight, you have to at least go through the motions and exhaust all possible diplomatic options, "THEN! kick ass"...
Tobasco Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 02-08-2003
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Who said anything about just charging in?

After 17 resolutions not being enforced, only a naive person would believe that diplomacy is going to work here.

Seventeen chances to comply diplomatically. That's enough patience. Now it's a matter of life and death for OUR troops.

Do you realize that our troops need to move in before the seasons change in Iraq? If they don't, more will die in the effort, or we must wait nine months.

A military expert that knows the region, was on fox and said this. Its not my expertise. Waiting nine months gives Saddam too much time to prepare.

How many "last chances" does it take. The USA is being used to finance most of the UN. Then the UN jacks us around. Its a joke.

There comes a point in time when you must quit jumping through hoops just to "look good." That's ridiculous. Looking good doesn't save lives.

Our military is counting on this administration to do what is best for them not the UN. We've already done enough game playing with the UN.

President Bush, in my opinion, will declare war on Iraq, and should very soon. The middle eastern countries, for the most part only respect power. It may take some "redneck bar brawling" so to speak, to deal with these tyrants.

We need to be taken seriously here. Iraq is hiding behind the skirt of the UN. This needs to end NOW!

Mag
Robby Offline
#8 Posted:
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YOU'RE MISSING MY POINT! I support the president and our efforts in the Gulf. My statement was simply that France is more important than Iceland because they have a vote on the UN Security council. You're telling Noah about the flood...
usahog Offline
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French lawmakers warn of veto risks:
PARIS — Leading lawmakers from President Jacques Chirac's party have begun speaking out about the damage France's anti-war stance is having on relations with the United States and the future of the United Nations.
Herve de Charette, a former foreign minister and lawmaker with the ruling party, was the latest to add his voice to a string of warnings about the consequences of any French veto in the Security Council.
Mr. de Charette said he believes war on Iraq is inevitable and told LCI television that any veto of a U.S.-backed resolution seeking authorization for war "is a decision that has great ramifications, of great gravity."
He noted that France, one of five veto-wielding permanent members of the Security Council, has not used one against the United States since the crisis over the Suez Canal in 1956.
The ruling party's president, Alain Juppe; its parliamentary head, Jacques Barrot; and Edouard Balladur, the head of parliament's foreign affairs commission, also have all said that a veto risks a breakdown in relations with the United States and some European countries.
France has "avoided committing a mistake, which some are pushing for, that would have left it isolated: wrongly brandishing its right of veto," Mr. Juppe said during a debate on the Iraq crisis in parliament Wednesday.
"A veto is unimaginable," Claude Goasguen, another ruling party lawmaker, told the daily Le Monde in yesterday's edition. "We are not going to break the United Nations and Europe just to save a tyrant," he said, referring to Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.
"We have taken into account the concern about not uselessly breaking relations with the United States," Mr. Barrot told the same paper. "We are not going to get to the point of getting into an argument with Western democracies."
He said strong trans-Atlantic ties were crucial "to build peace tomorrow."
This week, the cover of Le Point, a leading newsmagazine, asks, "What's got into Chirac?" It said, "It's high time we weighed up the damage of an Atlantic rupture," adding that it would be "wiser to save the United Nations and NATO from ruin" rather than let Mr. Chirac enjoy any longer his "conviction that he's not a little mosquito biting the American elephant."
The comments do not indicate dwindling support for Mr. Chirac's drive to give weapons inspectors more time and muscle to disarm Baghdad peacefully, or the belief that everything should be tried before resorting to war.
But it does reflect mounting concern about the direction French foreign policy is taking and where it will lead, perhaps a sign the pendulum in France may now be slowly starting to swing toward the position of the United States.
The dilemma facing the president was summed up in the ardently pro-Chirac newspaper Le Figaro, which wrote in an editorial yesterday that Mr. Chirac had already added the "missing page in his history" by reinvigorating French pride and standing up to the United States.
An accompanying article described the conflicting pressures on France. "Renouncing its veto and fleeing into abstention would not only weaken positions defended by Jacques Chirac for the past six months, it would also make obsolete one of the essential levers of French foreign policy. But using it would spark a serious crisis with the United States and its allies."
The risks have been clearly spelled out by Howard Leach, the American ambassador to France, who said in Le Monde yesterday that "France's position could have long-term repercussions." The French also have seen how the United States froze out Germany after Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder first criticized U.S. policy on Iraq.
Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin said yesterday that France has "no affection" for Saddam and that his country might participate in a U.S.-led military coalition, something the government has not ruled out.
"If Saddam Hussein does not respond to the calls of the inspectors, we do not exclude the use of force," Mr. Raffarin told the regional Paris-Normandie newspaper in an interview for publication today.
Though the remarks didn't signal a shift in official position, Mr. Raffarin's tone was noticeably tougher on the Iraqi leader. The prime minister said he believes the crisis can be resolved through diplomacy and that France still hopes to persuade the United States to hold off on its war plans.
"We have no affection for Saddam Hussein, but we are also mindful of the harm that can come to the Iraqi people" if a war starts, Mr. Raffarin said.
Opposition Socialist and Communist leaders stridently oppose war and have repeatedly urged the government to veto any resolution paving the way for military strikes.

"They are going to EXPLODE from the Inside Out....I would hate to be on a Cabnet in France right now!!!!

the only Reason the US has waited for the UN is just what is seen today... just how Jacked up the whole UN is... Money Talks and B^llsh!t Walks, with UN backing that means that other country's who have been dealing with Iraq behind the Sanctions will have to step up and help after the war Effort... Plus they will also be dealing with Democratically Controled Iraq in Post War.. and they wont be getting there free meals so to speak... meaning right now they get there oil and other paybacks on Military equipment deals they have made with Iraq.... possibility they will lose out on there Trade Agreement Funds also!!!!
Ooooooooopppppppsssss "O" Baby!!!!
few more days... few more weeks.... Iraq's Saddam Hussain is going DOWN!!!!!!
with or without the Frenchies... Freedom Fries!!!!!!!!


Hog
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#10 Posted:
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usahog

regardless of my political positions, i must say your pictures do represent reality. when you are correct, you are correct.
Charlie Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 06-16-2002
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Viva la flush (as in down the drain) I no longer will buy any French wines, Grey Goose (overpriced to begin with)and any French clothing (this will be tough).

Should have built Euro Disney in Spain to begin with due to costs, etc. I undrstand two more French garrisons surrendered over the weekend to the Queen of Hearts at Euro Disney after the fireworks explosions.

Charlie
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