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JReddoch's March Book Recommendation
jreddoch Offline
#1 Posted:
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HATRED'S KINGDOM by Dore Gold. It's about Saudi Arabia and how they buy security for themselves by funding Islamic terrorist movements around the world. These guys are not our friends.
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#2 Posted:
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I am not fans of the Saudis but I gotta say this. The Saudis are our friends when it suits their purpose. Kind of like we are their friends when it suits ours. Let's make hydrogen fuel cells and let them fight amonst themselves. I don't have time for the book. But I would be interested in any insight you have from it.
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What's interesting so far is that their particular brand of Islam, Wahhabism (sp). has been militant from the very beginning. It views other Muslims, Jews, Christians, etc. as polytheists. Jihad has a central role in their religious views. They believe polytheists must be wiped out.

Post your e-mail, xrd. If you want I'll keep you posted on what I read.
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#4 Posted:
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Interesting! Yeah, the Quran repeats over and over that God has no partners. The concept of the trinity is kind of polytheistic. And all those Saints! [email protected]
Charlie Offline
#5 Posted:
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Jim is becoming a regular Oprah! This book is worth reading and it is scary to think that 15 of the 9/11 Terrorist were Saudi's.

Charlie
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#6 Posted:
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don't forget, the hebrews were the first monotheistic religion.

"moses and monotheism" s. freud is an excellent source book. he makes a reach that is interesting and very unusual.
jreddoch Offline
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Actually, Zoroastrianism is the first monotheistic religion.
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Ancient religion that originated in Iran based on the teachings of Zoroaster. Founded in the 6th cent. BC, it influenced the monotheistic religions Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. It rejects polytheism, accepting only one supreme god, Ahura Mazda. In early Zoroastrianism, the struggle between good and evil was seen as an eternal rivalry between Ahura Mazda's twin sons, Spenta Mainyu (good) and Angra Mainyu (evil). Later Zoroastrian cosmology made the rivalry between Ahura Mazda himself (by then called Ormazd) and Ahriman. This later cosmology identifies four periods of history; the last began with the birth of Zoroaster. Zoroastrian practice includes an initiation ceremony and various rituals of purification intended to ward off evil spirits. Fire worship, a carryover from an earlier religion, survives in the sacred fire that must be kept burning continually and must be fed at least five times a day. The chief ceremony involves a sacrifice of haoma, a sacred liquor, accompanied by recitation of large parts of the Avesta, the primary scripture. Zoroastrianism enjoyed status as an official religion at various times before the advent of Islam, but Zoroastrians were persecuted in the 8th-10th cent., and some left Iran to settle in India. By the 19th cent. these Indian Zoroastrians, or Parsis, were noted for their wealth and education. The small group of Zoroastrians remaining in Iran are known as the Gabars.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#9 Posted:
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jreddoch

i do believe you are correct. what the hell did freud know anyway.
eleltea Offline
#10 Posted:
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Freud knew 100 years before Clinton that sometimes a cigar is not just a cigar.
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Sorry, JReddoch and Rick, but the first monotheist was an Egyptian pharoah named Akhenaton.

An Egyptian pharoh (1380-1362 BC), the predecessor of Tutankamen, and husband of Nefertiti, Akhenaton radically revised the Egyptian religious world by instituting a unique form of monotheism. His innovation temporarially ushered in a period of artistic freedom an innovention in Egypt known as Amarna Art.

Amenhotep IV ruled at the height of Egypt's empire. He is remembered for combining the hundreds of deities worshipped in ancient Egypt into one overarching deity -- Aton Ra, a sun deity. Amenhotep then changed his own name to "Akhenaton" -- or servant of Aton. His radical change in religion was a direct challenge to the priestly caste. Priests were chosen by status at birth, and were guaranteed incredible power as the spokesmen (and women) of the gods. When Akhenaton declared Aton-Ra as the supreme god, he also declared that he himself was the sole spokesman of Aton-Ra. The priests suddenly found themselves out of favor, out of power, and effectively out of a job. They were not happy. Akhenaton, on the other hand, had effectively consolidated his power. The centralization of power, combined with a weakening of the age-old superstition, produced a boom in art and creativity known as Amarna Art.

jreddoch Offline
#12 Posted:
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Fascinating. I guess I should have said Zoroastrianism is the oldest monotheistic religion still in existence.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#13 Posted:
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jreddoch

we, you and me, have been trumped. "should have said" is a feeble attempt at staying in the game. fold them like i did and let's go someplace and sulk.
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Busted! I'm sulking. I'm sulking.
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