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Your Thoughts on Michael Moore.....
Charlie Offline
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What thoughts or feelings do you have towards Michael Moore..............slob, leftist liberal, etc

Charlie
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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bright, caring, patriotic, not afraid to voice opinions you don't like. he has the same right as you do charlie, to voice an opinion.

usahog Offline
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I feel if the Man doesn't like our Military Men/Women then he has the right to his Opinion.. but if I were him, I wouldn't be running my Mouth in a Bar when Our Boy's get Home!!!!!!

Hog
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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he never said anything negative about our military men and woman and he has said on other occassions, bring our people home safe and sound and quickly.
RDC Offline
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There is a time and a place for everything to be said.
Even Barbara Streisand only went so far as to say she loves freedom of speach and that even artists have that right as do the rest of us.

As for Michael MooreON... F'k him. It was Oscar night not his own political venue to spew garbage. The fact that he and his associates wore Peace Pins were sufficinet. He should not have attacked President Bush or the troops. Wrong place, wrong time.

Michael, if you read these posts... I would not visit Texas any time soon!
usahog Offline
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20030324/en_afp/oscar_war_iraq_moore_1

"I showed how vital it is to have free speech in our country and all Americans have the right to stand up for what they believe in," he said

Just as I said... Let him Run his Yapper in a Bar when the Boy's get home... he doesn't have the Gonads to even open his Flambouyent Yapper then... Cuz I Guarentee you Lawyers couldn't bail his A$$ out of the Trouble he'd be in!!!!!!!! Time and Place is Everything.... F$^K This Clown!!!!!!

Hog
divnmyk Offline
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I'm fence sitting: I'll say he has the right to think and say whatever he believes, but a poor choice in timing. In the words of Slimboli, "Wrong Board".

It's common knowledge that Michael Moore doesn't like our President or how he got there (let's not get into that debate) and he doesn't believe there is ever a time for war. His ideas, beliefs and opinions are protected just as much as any of us who are pro-Bush, pro-military and believe that there is a time when strength and might is necessary for the relief of an oppressed people.
But last night's stage was for the Academy Awards, not an Anti-(fill-in-the-blank) protest.

M
Charlie Offline
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Rick, why don't you and Michael Moore set around and smoke a cigar (whoops, he is violently anti smoking of any kind) or have a drink and disucss things on the liberal left.

I am sure he would be happy to tell you just how great Saddam Huessein happens to be as it is his right to do so...........The man is a negative, sick fat slob! Probaly very anti military!

Charlie
E-Chick Offline
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What a disrespectful piece of ****.

Apparently, there needs to be yet another celebrity self gratifying show..."The Political Views and Opinions Of The Priveledge Few in Hollywood".

HA!

Freedom of speech...
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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E-Chick

disrespectful to who?
E-Chick Offline
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The disrespect that he showed certainly (and most probably without thinking about it) towards the families and friends of the people that have already lost their lives in this war...

...not that they may have been watching such a frivolous tv awards show during their time of mourning, but nonetheless...disrespectful!

I, for one, was thankfully NOT an audience to it.

"bring our people home safe and sound and quickly."...amen!

Charlie Offline
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Rick

Get some smarts on this subject.

Disrespectful to the troops who are captured, and the ones who were executed by the Iraqis...the troops who have died to give this fat SOB the "right" to voice out his ignorant opinion.

Disrespectful to the President of the United States.

Disrespectful to the Awards ceremony.

Disrespectful to all those who died or those who lost friends and family in the Twin Towers on 911.

You go ahead and defend this piece of garbage. Who did not speak out against Billy Clinton when he attacked Bosnia and when he "retailated" against Osama Bin Laden with a cruise missle that killed a couple of camels and some desert fauna!

Charlie
huttman78 Offline
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The film he won for was about violence and guns in the US. He should have come out and mentioned that unlike the people in the movies, the people that I showed in my film can't get up when the director yells "that's a rap," they are dead. he should have stuck to what his movie was about and he could have sent a message that way and gotten applause. instead he made people angry and they will never forget this when hey think of him. i was going to buy "bowling" on dvd when it came out b/c i thought it was very good, but now i'm not.
efm Offline
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Oh boy do I feel like a dummy. I never heard of Michael Moore till this new story broke. I gather he's an actor.

I do feel that the Oscars shot themselves in the foot bigtime by not postponing the show for a more appropirate day.
E-Chick Offline
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And another thing...

He forgot to say in regards to the fictitious deaths of our fictitious US Military Troops, that he will forever be fictitiously grateful for their fictitious choice of job in protecting our fictitious Rights and Freedoms as US of A Citizens...


"And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air, gave proof thro' the night that our flag was still there. Oh! say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?...Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just, And this be our motto, "In God is our trust" and the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave...."

Some of you may need to look up ALL of the words to our National Anthem...
Steve*R Offline
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Michael Moore's demeanor was totally inappropriate.

Personally, I felt that it was only a matter of time until the United States had to militarily confront the Iraqi fascist. Saddam Hussein, without question, would have waited until he possessed all the instruments of mass destruction to avenge the U.S. bombing of Iraq and defense of Kuwait in 1991.

Michael Moore may disagree with U.S. policy, but the venue he selected and the manner of his comments, I thought, were not just critical of U.S. policy, but supportive of Saddam Hussein, and that I believe is unforgiveable.
turnberry Offline
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Michael Moore is entitled to his opinion, and it is his right to express it. But the time is long past and the place was completely inappropriate.

I believe that when the decision is finally made, whether you totally agree with it or not, to send troops into harms way then it is incumbent on the rest of us to get in line and support them. Totally, in whatever way we can.

How do you think the folks on the ground in Iraq and nearby environs will feel seeing Michael Moore on Al Jazeera TV being represented as indicative of the majority American opinion towards their efforts to remove a sick regime from power?

And you can bet that the Iraqi info people or their sympathizers won't overlook the opportunity to do so. Maybe Michael Moore should talk to some of the "human shield" folks who so quickly exited Iraq with a completely reshaped opinion of what a sick group of S**s these guys are.
Robby Offline
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donutboy2000 Offline
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Mr. Moore does know a thing or two about fictitious.

Michael Moore's Oscar-contender documentary, Bowling for Columbine, pokes fun at corporate creeps and hypocrites in his crusade to figure out who is to blame for the gun-related violence in America. But we've found Moore's facts a little slippery.

TITLE: Moore titled the movie Bowling for Columbine because, he suggests, the two kids who shot up Columbine High in Littleton, Colo., went to a 6 a.m. bowling class on the day of the attack.
ACTUALLY: Cool story, but police say it's not true. They say the shooters skipped their bowling class that day.

MISSILES: Moore wonders whether kids at Columbine might be driven to violence because of the "weapons of mass destruction" made in Lockheed Martin's assembly plant in Littleton. Moore shows giant rockets being assembled.
ACTUALLY: Lockheed Martin's plant in Littleton doesn't make weapons. It makes space launch vehicles for TV satellites.

WELFARE: Moore places blame for a shooting by a child in Michigan on the work-to-welfare program that prevented the boy's mother from spending time with him.
ACTUALLY: Moore doesn't mention that mom had sent the boy to live in a house where her brother and a friend kept drugs and guns.

BANK: Moore says North Country Bank & Trust in Traverse City, Mich., offered a deal where, "if you opened an account, the bank would give you a gun." He walks into a branch and walks out with a gun.
ACTUALLY: Moore didn't just walk in off the street and get a gun. The transaction was staged for cameras. You have to buy a long-term CD, then go to a gun shop to pick up the weapon after a background check.
xrundog Offline
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The Oscars have a long history of political statement. You win the statue, the stage is yours, you have 30 seconds to say what you want. Personally, I don't agree with what he had to say. He is a bit of a paranoid conspiracy theorist. But he said it. GWB is still in office, the war is still being fought,and we are all still checking cbid. Some feelings got hurt I guess. Happens all the time. So what? I feel real pain about whats happening in Iraq. Particularly seeing POWs and dead Americans. Let the fringe talk. It's not unAmerican. At this point the course will not be changed. Moore is just one more guy who wants everyone to see and do things his way. He doesn't understand that he often reduces himself to the role of a buffoon in trying to make his point.
Robby Offline
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He looked like a petulant child. Having a tantrum because he didn’t get things going the way he wanted them… He’s also never been one to let the truth stand in the way of his agenda. I for one would never consider supporting these people by buying a ticket for one of their movies, or renting one of their videos. They should absolutely have the right to express their opinions, regardless of how wacky they are. And we should have the right to boycott their products and companies who choose to use them as spokespeople.
xibbumbero Offline
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Because you don't like the prospect of war doesn't mean you don't support our troops nor does it make you less patriotic. Some people here seem to equate anti-war sentiment with being unpatriotic and non-support of our troops. This is AMERICA,where you can speak your mind,irrespective of other opinions. I thank God and the servicemen who have given the ultimate sacrifice to preserve our freedom. That being said,I for one feel that war is the last option. Whether this military action was our last option will remain to be seen. In the meanwhile,I also fully support our troops and pray for their safe return. X
Robby Offline
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Yeah, I could go down town to the Baptist church tha that M.L. King used to pastor and walk in with a white robe and pointy hood if I wanted to. It would be free speach, but it would still be dumb... This moore guy is a DUMB ba$tard... Supid is as stupid does sir...
cwilhelmi Offline
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X - Well said, I unknowingly echoed you on another post.

Anti-War does not necesarily mean Anti-Troops. For some it does, but the assumption is wrong.
Robby Offline
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(Dr. Evil voice "ON") Riiiiight (voice off). The point here is there should be a time and a place. Here you go, "other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?" Sure, he could fart the Iraqi national anthem, free speech and all of that. My reply would be, gee, you voice sounds different, but your breath smells the same... Bottom line, he embarrassed even those who oppose the war that I've spoken to.
tailgater Offline
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This is bull****.
"Free Speech" does not mean spouting Anti-American rhetoric on one of the biggest stages available. Certainly not in these hours of sacrifice.
Yes, I said "Anti American".
Because to suggest that our Commander in Chief is Fictitious, and to state that our mission is Fictitious, is 100% ANTI-American.

Abusing one of our most precious freedoms is not American.

This is a very black and white issue. It has nothing at all to do with whether or not I agree with his statement.

It has everything to do with misinterpreting what our forefathers intended. Mr Moore is quite capable of gaining media attention outside of the highly anticipated Oscars.
When our soldiers need support, comfort, hope,...LOVE the very most, he decides to put his worthless self into a postion to dismantle those important intangibles.
And when the enemy of our troops watch a translated clip, they will gain strength in their conviction.
Yes, Mr Moore has directly put our soldiers further into harms way. To suggest otherwise is naive.

That is NOT what Free Speech is intended for. And it is NOT what America was built upon.

Robby Offline
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BOMB MICHAEL MOORE!!
cwilhelmi Offline
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Sometimes I wonder if you're smoking cigars or something else gater!! Do you really think the Iraqi troops are going to see the Oscars?? If it's a big concern we can simply jam the signal anyway. And the loud and deserved boos as a response to Moore's comments shows more than any of the drivel he spoke.

Even if his speech was completely Anti-American, then it's still protected by the 1st amendment, no matter what you think.

You suggest that some people on this board are naïve... I agree!!
Robby Offline
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BOMB CWILHELMI!!
SteveS Offline
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In a thread I just created, I suggested sending him an e-mail in which you express your thoughts ...

In addtion to my thoughts and feelings, I plan to tell him that I and as many I can influence will boycott not only his current Oscar winning short, but any and all future works he is ever involved with ...

Oh, and I posted his e-mail address for your convenience ...
cwilhelmi Offline
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Bomb me with cigars, OK. Thanks...
cwilhelmi Offline
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Free Speech in action, go for it Steve...
SteveS Offline
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damn straight I'll go for it ...

I'd never heard of this guy before last night ... but I went up in flames while the words were still coming out of his mouth ... I will not attempt to offer even a censored version of what I shouted at the television as he spoke ... suffice it to say that MrsS became concerned that I would suffer either a coronary or a stroke from being as upset as I was ...

Then, today, when I found this yayhoos Website, I flamed all over again ... vitriolic hate absolutely flows from it ... this guy is an unspeakable gob of sh*t and IMO, should be made to go to Iraq and see first-hand what it is we're fighting against ... perhaps if he were to be entertained by Saddams son Uday in the same manner that Iraqi athletes who have failed to win the highest honors have been entertained, he might pick up a bit of appreciation for the United States of America and the freedoms he so gratuitously abused in his speech last night ... to say nothing of an appreciation for the lives and the blood that have been expended and CONTINUE to be expended so that Mr. Gob of Sh*t Moore can continue making his little films and excercise his "rights" ...
tailgater Offline
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Chris,
Do you purposely take the opposite opinion, or do you simply not understand anything you don't agree with?

Let me type this slowly for those of you who have trouble with logic...

Of course Iraqi soldiers didn't watch the Oscars. But they sure as hell can have access to a video clip of that **** Moore spewing anti-Bush rhetoric. And if even ONE Iraqi soldier gets a tiny bit more confidence in their conviction, and just ONE American Hero feels slightly less confident in his/her mission, then it is not only possible that a battle could be turned, but it is also likely that at least one additional American could get more seriously injured (or worse) than had Mr **** didn't open his pie-hole.

It's called "Cause and effect". And it's precisely why self-centered morons with personal agendas tend to speak out when they know they shouldn't.

So I repeat: Free Speech was never intended to promote Anti-American protests. But it does protect those who choose to ABUSE it.


SteveS Offline
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Well, said 'gater ... well said.

That is EXACTLY the way it is ...

why not write Michael Moore and tell him so ... [email protected]
Robby Offline
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Zackly, but some who don't approve of Bush, use their disapproval to dismiss almost ANY behavior regardless of how inappropriate it is... Something somewhere in my gut (perhaps a turd?) is telling me if Gore were in the White House, their position would be slightly modified... I think much of the reaction (Michael Moron and other's who are supporting his so called "free speech") are really subconsciously attacking Bush and this is a convenient avenue to do so. Shockingly inappropriate...
SteveS Offline
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nothing subconcious about it ...

Michael Moore is blatantly anti-Bush .... visit his Website and you'll see for yourself ...with a couple of links to his work and the announcement of his Oscar, it's nothing but anti-administration bullsh*t ... 90% of his site overflows with it ...

I don't care whether you're a Democrate, a Republican, or a Whig ... the man is a dangerous extremist who's offering sympathy and encouragement to our enemy in wartime ... and by definition, he is pure plain and simple, guilty of treason ... what he did is not the excercise of free speech but an ABUSE of it ...
Charlie Offline
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Well stated Steve. Michael Moore is a fat blob of puss and I have never liked him and now I hate him!

Let's send many emails to this creep.

Charlie
choner Offline
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Michael Moore is just doing what the First Amendment allows him to do. You don't have to agree with his opinions, but they are his opinions. He gets 30 seconds to say whatever he wants, and if he chooses to protest the war, so be it. If I felt strongly about something, I would do the same. If I won an Oscar, I would of showed my support for my President and My troops. But I didn't win an Oscar and Michael Moore did. He was not anti-American or Anti-troops, he was anti-Bush and Anti-War.
The First Amendment is so important in our country, its one important thread that holds this beautiful nation together. Our nation was built on freedom of expression. I hope I never see the day when the First Amendment is abolished.

Strength to our troops!
choner
donutboy2000 Offline
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Sedition Act, 1918
From The United States Statutes at Large, V. 40. (April 1917-March 1919). Washington: Government Printing Office, 1919. 553-554.

Sec. 3. Whoever, when the United States is at war, shall willfully make or convey false reports or false statements with intent to interfere with the operation or success of the military or naval forces of the United States, or to promote the success of its enemies, or shall willfully make or convey false reports or false statements, or say or do anything except by way of bona fide and not disloyal advice to an investor or investors, with intent to obstruct the sale by the United States of bonds or other securities of the United States or the making of loans by or to the United States, and whoever when the United States is at war, shall willfully cause or attempt to cause, or incite or attempt to incite, insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty, in the military or naval forces of the United States, or shall willfully obstruct or attempt to obstruct the recruiting or enlistment services of the United States, and whoever, when the United States is at war, shall willfully utter, print, write or publish any disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language about the form of government of the United States or the Constitution of the United States, or the military or naval forces of the United States, or the flag of the United States, or the uniform of the Army or Navy of the United States into contempt, scorn, contumely, or disrepute, or shall willfully utter, print, write, or publish any language intended to incite, provoke, or encourage resistance to the United States, or to promote the cause of its enemies, or shall willfully display the flag of any foreign enemy, or shall willfully by utterance, writing, printing, publication, or language spoken, urge, incite, or advocate any curtailment of production in this country of any thing or things, product or products, necessary or essential to the prosecution of the war in which the United States may be engaged, with intent by such curtailment to cripple or hinder the United States in the prosecution of war, and whoever shall willfully advocate, teach, defend, or suggest the doing of any of the acts or things in this section enumerated, and whoever shall by word or act support or favor the cause of any country with which the United States is at war or by word or act oppose the cause of the United States therein, shall be punished by a fine of not more than $10,000 or the imprisonment for not more than twenty years, or both: Provided, That any employee or official of the United States Government who commits any disloyal act or utters any unpatriotic or disloyal language, or who, in an abusive and violent manner criticizes the Army or Navy or the flag of the United States shall be at once dismissed from the service. . . .

tailgater Offline
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Freedom of Speech is perhaps the most abused ammendment the United States has.

People, let's not forget that simply because an **** like Moore CAN abuse his forum and the intent of the Free Speech Amendment, doesn't mean he should.

Personal responsiblity has all but disappeared from the American Landscape. People hide behind words rather than the intent of written laws.

Bill Clinton's definition of "sexual relations" is but one example, and blowhards like Moore are another.
Perhaps you also support the right of a group like NAMBLA, who claim firt amendment rights when they write to each other about how to seduce young boys into bed.
Freedom of Speech. Freedom of Speech.

Take responsibility for your own actions and it's OK to expect others to do the same. It's called society, and the needs of the many far outway the needs of the few.

Moore need not be arrested, but he should be black-balled by the very organization that gave him his opportunity to show his true colors.
And they are not Red, White and Blue.
Robby Offline
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Wow Doe, that spells it out doesn't it.
Charlie Offline
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Had not thought of Sedition in the case of Mikey Moore...but sure does seem to fit the incident.


Charlie
cwilhelmi Offline
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Tailgater - I agree just because he can, doesn't mean he should. All I was arguing about was the CAN part.
Slimboli Offline
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He is not a Government official or employee.

As cwilhelmi stated in another post, they are the only ones punishable by it, based on the Sedition Act of 1918. Therefore, Moore has no constraints on his freedom of speach based on the sedition act since he is neither an official nor an employee of the US.

" ... shall be punished by a fine of not more than $10,000 or the imprisonment for not more than twenty years, or both: ***PROVIDED***, that any employee or official of the United States Government who commits any disloyal act or utters any unpatriotic or disloyal language, or who, in an abusive and violent manner criticizes the Army or Navy or the flag of the United States shall be at once dismissed from the service ..."

... 'provided', being the key word here!
tailgater Offline
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Chris,
No arguement there. Yes, he Can do what he did.
But it begs the question: Should he?
And the answer is a resounding NO.
For the reasons I've stated above and elsewhere, and also for many other reasons.
I've yet to hear a reason why he "should" do what he did.

Having the ability and the legal right to do something doesn't imply that it should be done. And it doesn't make you exempt from the consequences.
Slimboli Offline
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tailgater --- over the years at these forums, I've been known to have those 'control' tendencies to tell people what they 'should' and 'shouldn't' do or say here ...

Many were legitimate statements and suggestions ... but in the long run, do you think it did any good?

There will aways be those that will still do and say what's on their minds ... right or wrong ... and I doubt that any one can or will change that.

donutboy2000 Offline
#48 Posted:
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The Sedition Act applies to all citizens, not just government employees. See http://ncnc.essortment.com/espionagehistor_rago.htm. Numerous non-government employees have been prosecuted.
cwilhelmi Offline
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tailgater - I agree it was in poor taste and he shouldn't have said it, I was glad his comments were responded to with resounding disdain from the crowd.
Slimboli Offline
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donutboy2000 --- I did my research, and checked out that link before I posted. Do you have anything more recent???

Seems to me ... all this happened back in the early 1900's.
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