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Not sure who would be the wiper, but according to most union rules, you would have to sit there and wait until the wiper became available to wipe. You couldn't do it yourself or just get up and walk away or you'd get a grievance filed against ya!

You have to wait for your wiper, they're on break...

It must be late for me. What the hell are you talking about? Hehe! I lied, its probably the 4 Tecate's I drank! Hehe! I still want to know :>)

Mag

I think taking a crap is a very necessary part of Americana today...Unions also! Don't bother to reply TG, we already had this debate last year! LOL

Remember gentlemen, these union contracts are negotiated. Don't negotiate a wimpy contract and come complaining to me about the consequences. I speak from experience as a member of management at a UAW facility. And thats all I'm gonna say about that.....lol.

No hard feelings! While we differ on the "Union" debate, I'm sure we agree on a lot of other serious issues like cigars, booze, sports and women!

I was just reminded of Unions Today... the Wife Took our 2002 Ford Extended Cab in for the Oil Change and them to fix the minor air leak around the door, also the back sliding glass trim anytime the window is opened the trim piece falls down... the guy was working on the Truck, Oil Change Tire Rotation, etc. etc. then the Wife waiting Patiently... finally a few hours pass so she goes and asks what the hold up was? was there a problem? Well the guy tells her... the Guy that was working on the Window Cut his Finger off, And they did not have anyone else to do the Job so she would have to come back on this one... also the door trim wasn't ordered and they didn't have any in stock.. So they were going to have to order that also... so they would give her a call when the part comes in and they can get to it... we also was going to have them look at the Transmission because the On the Fly!!!!! Fords Big 4X4 on the Fly Promotional Ease they Brag about.. Didn't work right.. the guy tells her well the truck would be down for some time while they pull the Transmission and have a look see!!!! But we cannot give you another Vehical even though your Covered Bumper to Bumper with that Beafed up extra $1700.00 bumper to bumper coverage crap they feed you when you Purchase... but this time its no deal...
So a different date on that one... I told her... Take that F**Kin Truck Back out there and Park it on their showroom floor and tell them their Warrentee is Voided!!!!!!! $37,000.00 Headache with no Coverage even when you Paid for it... it's a good damn thing I didn't take the Truck In... I would be sitting in County Still and there'd be a few Wounded Mechanics!!!!

And Another thing On Unions... I've got 9 yrs Carpenters under my Belt...16 yrs total... held my card and then went full time into another line of work... Because I did not bank enough Hours back in 1997 for the year.. I get a letter from Genieva... Saying I have Forfieted (sp) My Pension... I had roughly $9,000.00 vested... and I just Forfieted it? I fought the SOB's at the Hall and at the Top... I got my Pension Reinstated/Froze and I can walk back in pay up my Due's and go to work tomorrow somewhere if I wanted to... LMAO!!!! what I know for a fact... I can work anyways anywhere I want to tomorrow and their ain't a damn thing they or anyone can say about it... Scab?? LMAO!!!! Nope I put food on my Table and I don't have to hear... That Ain't my Job!!!!

Do Unions Work... Yes they Do... it's some of the Lazy SOB's who twist the Rights of the Contracts that F**Ks Fellow Workers!!!!! and that doesn't have to be Union Labled to see that Happen!!!!!!

Workin For a Livin
Hog

I have done my best to stay out of this union arguement, and so far I have..... BUT.
I live in a "Right to work state" translates to right to get screwed by the boss state. In my area, it is common for carpenters who have 20+years of experience to make between $8-12 dollars an hour. Tool and die machinists who make $10-12 dollars an hour, and the Union grocery store clerk at Krogers, one of the few unions that hasn't left the state, makes $14.80 an hour to trim lettuce, with 10 years experience. We need unions.
Homebrew

Falsely raising the pay scale for an entire industry hurts the economy.
It's collusion, which is illegal at most other levels of business.
But Unions are more evil than that. Not only do they falsely raise the pay scale, but the use their "muscle" to prevent non union companies from bidding on jobs. Free market?? I think not. It goes against everything that capitalism stands for.

Without Unions, a lot of top people will take advantage of cheap labor. Which means some people will lose out their jobs to those that will work for dirt cheap, and there is a lot of them out there. BUT, I do believe some Unions do cause a high pay, low effort environment, which causes high spending on poor good and services.

Where I work, union fees are taken out of my paycheck automatically which I disagree with, but the option of joining the union is up to the employee. That's where I have a problem with the Union. They claim that they protect you against the higher ups, but the union is the same. Once the Union acquires power, they will also weild it too, sometimes giving the employee no option but to follow the union. I see so many people who do crap work and are lazy, but they are protected by the union. But my job is protected too so I can't complain too much.

Its a very hard question, pro and cons everywhere. I just hope they figure something better out.

choner

HEH!

If you were in a union, you would sing a different tune. Jealousy gets you nowhere!

I had the same opinons until I got a union job. Im set for life. And YES I do work.

YIKES!

Little bitter are we?

I'm in a Union... and was in a Union Before... So far they have not done Squat for me... and the Previous Union Didn't do Squat for me...at one time with the Previous Carpneters Union... Working "Mill Scale" Hollow Metal and Door Hardware shop... anything outside working the shop was Commercial Scale... the Employer forgot to add my Outside Scale on my Check that week $250-260 Bucks over shop scale... Promissed they would pick it up on the next week check... week came, didn't add it again... I went to the Hall... BA had long talk with the Company Man.. Even though the Promiss was there.. C. Man Told the BA he wasn't going to pay it... BA comes over to me.. he say's you waited to long to Notify us of this Problem until now... 1 Week, he say's Well I can get you your Money, But you will lose your Job AND you will be sitting in the Hall an Awful long time...OR you can foget about the Measly 250 bucks and remain working here and all will be ok... I Said Mr. BA Sir.. you mean to tell me.. You are to Represent me and thats what my Due's are paying you to do... but in this instance I'm going to be Out of work for a long time? I said you know what... I can forget about the Money... It's Only food off my Table and I'm Raising 3 kids... So I went back to work... 3 days Later I went to work for an Outside Contarctor and never did go through the Hall... I was makin 5-600 bucks more a week... Installing and Keying locks and setting doors and Hardware... and about 3 months went by I stopped in to pay my Due's... guess who I run into... Mr. BA man... He say's Hey what you did to "Company" was Wrong and I could have your Card pulled for that... I said Get on it... I'll work the same Job and even make more Money then I was.... there's a demand for my Specialty line of work and you can't stop a workin man from makin a living... all you can do is Rob him from his Pay... I walked out... word had it he was so pissed off at me he did try and pull my card... he also had dealings with my Pension when I withdrew and the deal with the Forfiet.... I also knew they couldn't Keep workers in that Shop I left... running them through the hall and now the Company has been Belly Up for a Couple Years I see the Coke Head once Owner every once in awhile I just tip my Hat and toss em the Bird!!!!! whats he gunna do?? start something? I wish he would... I got 250 bucks to take out of his A$$!!!!!!
anybody Seen Jimmy????

Hog

Sorry, I started to tell a story, but got carried away with my opinion in my post. I just re-read it and it was damn fine! So here's the story, I'm working in a central office (telco)as a data tech troubleshooter. I have "a union" representative showing me around, where to jack in, etc... I'm working a problem for a BIG customer, a bank or someone, I can't remember. But they were PISSED OFF because of some on-going problems. Well, I was on it. I was like a blue tic hound lookin to tree a coon and I could smell it. Closer, closer, no the other way, closer, closer, So I almost have the problem licked, the "lady" escorting me looks at her watch and says, "I get off at 4:30" (she was glaring at me). I said, I appreciate that, but we're so close and we've been on this for 4 hours. She simply continued her glare and began slowly shaking her head from side to side, like some sort of psychotic tennis fan watching a long volley... I could see she was not happy with my "enthusiasm". Five o’clock, I said? The volley continues... 4:31 I quipped!? With that her trance like head shaking stopped, she turned and stomped away, and momentarily, I was greeted by "the shop steward". WHAT'S THIS I HEAR ABOUT YOU RIDING ONE OF MY EMPLOYEES!! He was on me like I would be on the girl in the "Car? What Car?" post... The fact about it is, both he and she were MUCH more worried about their rules of engagement than the fricken customer!!! COME ON GUYS!! THIS IS WRONG! You can't get ahead that way. Unions are the bane of modern society. They had their place, but they're obsolete and a drain on modern business. They driven numerous companies out of business and will continue to do so until they finally die through entropy...

You used "bane" and "entropy" correctly in the same post.
Can I borrow your "word-a-day" calendar?

Hello All,

I do not have the time to read the entire post, in my past post, I have conveyed my support of your governmonts dicision making regarding this war. Butt, (Rick hold on to your hat, and beleive it or not I have always felt this way), I have fears that there is possible bad consequences for initiating this war, and fears of bad consequences for not going to war.

Of the muslims nations, I beleive there is not one nation that has a truly democratic society. They are a people that 5% of the population wields the power and has the wealth, and the other 95% live in poverty and are bullied into submission. I don't think we will be freeing the people of Iraq, they evil Dictator will be gone, but, the prosperity of the people will remain the same you are either one of the few that has it, or, on of the many poor. Secondly, I fear we will end up with a Palastine, small groups of people killing people including our troops everyday for years to come.

On the flip side, I support the war to eliminate such an evil person, Sadam. I hope the recent bombing didn't get him. This would have been a painless out for a person that has slowly tortured so many. If it is shown that Sadam had no weapons of mass destruction, (I doubt this is a likelyhood) I don't think that matters, because if didn't have them today, and was left alone, I am convinced he would have acquired them and would use them.

We live in a dangerous world, we have developed most efficient methods of killing, killing that is like playing a video game, where you don't feel the consequence of moving a joystick ro pushing a buttom. Unfortunately, with all this technology, there is still evil people in the world, that has taken the place of the Hitler's, the Musilinies, or the Sadam's that out of their own twisted ideals would kill hundreds of thousands of people.

I have adult children, a 30 daughter with three grandbabies, a newly married 27 son and a 16 year old daughter in High School. I have l thus far lived a full life, it is theirs and their children I worry for. I ask my youngest what she thought about the war, she and friends think it is wrong. It would be nice to think that other children in the world holds this same opionion so when it became their time to run things, maybe wars would be few and far apart.

I have bashed people that have said I am against the war, but, support our troops. This is an oxy-moron.

I support the war and our troops, though as you can see it is not as I view it, all glorious, waving the flag of freedom and rejoicing that we are going to make the world a better place, because we are at war.

You know we say, "God Bless America", I am sure all other countries think they also have their blessings. I don't think God meant us to act this way.

Anyway, sorry to have been too wordy, hope I offended none with my thoughts. I disagree with many that post on this website. But, I do feel most people that inhabit this site are good decent individuals, with good intentions.

What the H$(l did I do, this was meant for another post, had to do with Pro war person, versus, antiwar person.

Got hate it when I push the wrong buttoms, lol

Cully you must be management. JonR