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Poll Question : Which would you prefer?
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Heartfelt 34 87 %
Conservagel 5 12 %
Total 39 100%

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65% Heartfelt beads
gimbel Offline
#1 Posted:
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Looks like I'm gonna do a bulk purchase. I am waiting on a code for free shipping from them and am going to try to do cross shipping on the order. In the event that I can't, the cost of a flat rate box, or priority box from here, will be less than what they charge for shipping.

If you would like to get in on this, send me an email to gimbel808 at gmail.
DBIII Offline
#2 Posted:
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Email sent.
schusler Offline
#3 Posted:
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i'm in
gimbel Offline
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I have received a good amount of interest for this bulk purchase and I have received a response concerning the free shipping code. The email came from the president of Heartfelt Industries himself (or maybe his secretary).
There are enough botl interested that I would feel bad using the code to ship to that many parties, so this is my plan: I am going to let this thread gather momentum for about one week. At that point I will total up the entire order and send an email to the pres. inquiring about a bulk price for the order. Even if I can't get a bulk rate, shipping them back out from here is going to be cheaper than it would be if you were to pay for it from them. ~$6 for 2lbs Priority or just under $5 Parcel Post. 1lb orders will be a little less. Their cost for 2lbs is a tad under $14.

Check out their site (can't post the link here because it competes with the Svedes) and let me know which products you would like. ie disks, tubes, bags, aluminum rectangles, loose beads, or a combination of any of the above and the required rh level.
gimbel Offline
#5 Posted:
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Before your post gets pulled by the minotaurs:

Let’s start with the basics.

Humidification beads are a moisture sensitive silica material which absorbs and desorbs moisture in order to offset changes in relative humidity (RH) in your humidor. The beads are generally available preset to a specific RH, in the case of cigars 60%, 65% and 70%. Opinions differ as to what is the “best” RH for cigars but most BOTLs seem to prefer 65% and that is my experience as well.

Humidification beads were first developed for the art and museum industry and are used extensively by that industry for the stable storage of priceless artifacts and art. The manufacturer I purchase the beads I sell also supplies places such as the Smithsonian and The National Archives.

A question that is often asked; “Are humidification beads the same as ordinary desiccant silica gel?” Definitely NOT! Humidification beads give off water vapor, as well as absorb it, to maintain a specific RH which is ideal for a cigars particular need. This is not the case with silica gel which can only absorb water then must be dried out after it is saturated. By nature silica gel is not meant to control humidity, only lower it. Humidification beads are the premier product for precise control in terms of performance, cost effectiveness, and simplicity.

One good point to remember is humidification beads have an indefinite life span. There is nothing to wear out and all that is needed to maintain them is either the addition of distilled water or the drying out of the beads if they become water logged.

You will notice that every time I mention the fluid that is added to the beads I will state “distilled water”. This is extremely important, anything other than distilled water will ultimately ruin the beads. All the impurities in tap water will be drawn in by the beads and remain there. Ultimately the beads will get plugged up and not work anymore. The same is tru with any type of humidifier solution (also known as 50/50 solution) this will also ruin the beads in the long run.

The question I get asked the most is, “How much do I need for my ______?”

Here are some quantities for various containers.
5 cubic feet requires 1 pound of humidification beads.
1/3 pound of beads per 50 quarts (coolerdors)
1 ounce of beads per 50 count in a desktop humi (so a 100 count would need 2 ounces, 150 count 3 ounces etc.)
For our metric friends: Each pound of beads will condition 141,584.233 cubic centimeters.

Calculating the cubic area of your humi:
Measure the depth, width and height of you humi (example is 24” depth, 36” wide and 48” height)
Multiply the three; 24x36x48=41472 cubic inches
Divide 41472 by 1728 (number of cubic inches in a cubic foot) 41472/1728= 24 cubic feet
Divide the cubic feet by 5 (number of cubic feet per pound) 24/5 = 4.8
You would need 4.8 pounds of humidification beads for this humi.

Remember that these calculations and quantities are the minumum amount you should put in a given space for control of RH. You can however place more in your humidor than these amounts without the chance of harming your cigars or the humidor, the right RH will still be maintained. The additional beads will only increase the amount of stored moisture which will just extend the amount of time before any distilled water needs to be added. They will also help the humidor recover to the proper RH quicker after the lid or door is opened.

Another question that keeps coming up is; “How do I add distilled water to the beads when they get dry?”

There are a number of ways to do this but whichever method you chose only add enough distilled water to make 70-75% of the beads clear and the rest either opaque or white. This gives the beads the ability to absorb excess humidity introduced by more moist cigars you may add to your humidor.

The method I use and prefer is using a spray bottle. I purchased an inexpensive spray bottle at the grocery store and filled it with distilled water. When the beads need water I just spray them until they have absorbed enough distilled water. This method will work well if you have the beads in a bag or dish.

You can just pour distilled water on the beads and pour off the excess. A lot of folks do it this way but the beads can fracture when it is done this way. One thing to remember, fracturing will not affect the efficiency of the beads or ruin them in any way, they will still do their job.

You can put a container of distilled water, like a bowl, next to the beads and let them absorb the distilled water in this way. When they have absorbed all they can remove the bowl. This method is effective but takes a while for the beads to absorb the water.

A method developed by a BOTL at Cigar Utopia is very easy. Place a paper towel that has been wet down with distilled water on the beads. They will soak up the moisture and re-charge.

Another question is; If my beads are going white, should I add distilled water until they are all clear?

The optimal is to have about 70-75% of them clear. Don't try to get them all clear because if you do they cannot absorb any sudden rise in humidity in your humi.

Another question is; “What do I put the beads in?”

A great variety of containers are possible. You can use a drawstring mesh bag, place the beads in a shot glass or small dish, put them is a leftover container with holes drilled in the lid, nylon stockings (be careful stealing them from your wife or significant other), the aluminum cases I sell to contain the beads (replaces the black plastic rectangular humidifier that comes with alot of humidors) or any other container. The main point of whatever container you choose is to have the greatest amount of surface area as possible exposed to the air. If possible the beads should be no more than 1 to 1 ½ inches deep, this way they will work the best.

Lastly we will deal with; “How can I tell when the beads need water?”

This is very easy. The color of the beads is the dead give away. When they are full of distilled water they are pretty much clear and when they are completely dried out they are a bright white. Believe me you will be able to tell the difference.
t33bone Offline
#6 Posted:
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Ah, they own that site also as I think I posted a link from there in the past. Oh well. Not band yet. LOL

Thx for posting it bro.
gimbel Offline
#7 Posted:
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Another option has been brought to my attention: Google "Conservagel", do a little reading, and let me know which way you want to go with this order. I'm happy with either one.
gimbel Offline
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t33bone wrote:
Ah, they own that site also as I think I posted a link from there in the past. Oh well. Not band yet. LOL

Thx for posting it bro.

They own well over 50 domains. Trust me, I got into a bit of a pissing match with Trish over it. She won't talk to me on fb anymore now.Boo hoo!
t33bone Offline
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gimbel wrote:
They own well over 50 domains. Trust me, I got into a bit of a pissing match with Trish over it. She won't talk to me on fb anymore now.Boo hoo!

Women, got to love em. LOL
DBIII Offline
#10 Posted:
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Thanks for doing the legwork on this Uriah, my pound can just be 65% loose beads.
gimbel Offline
#11 Posted:
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What are everyone's thoughts on the Conservagel option? Almost half the cost but not as well known and they advertise an rh fluctuation of +/- 4%. Seems like a big swing but then again I haven't found any literature on how stable, on paper, the Heartfelt beads are.
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gimbel wrote:
they advertise an rh fluctuation of +/- 4%.

If there is that big of a swing then what's the point of having them?
gimbel Offline
#13 Posted:
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cacman wrote:
If there is that big of a swing then what's the point of having them?

That's why I'm still leaning towards the Heartfelt, but they don't advertise what their fluctuation is. I only know they work because I use them.

Any humidification system is going to have a swing when you open the humidor/cooler/cabinet. What's important is how long it takes your beads, gel, etc to bring the rh back to the correct level. I'm in my cooler almost every day and one pound of Heartfelt keeps everything in pretty good shape.
schusler Offline
#14 Posted:
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Says the 65% range is 63% to 67%. 2% either way. I can live with that.
gimbel Offline
#15 Posted:
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Looks as though the majority will rule here. Heartfelt it is.

Now let's see how many pounds we can get by the end of the week and I'll either email or call the president and see about a bulk discount.
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#16 Posted:
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schusler wrote:
Says the 65% range is 63% to 67%. 2% either way. I can live with that.


+1

I believe that most here use the Heartfelt with good confidence and I don't know about the other type. I will go with what works well.

Hope this turns out to be a Large order!

Thanks Gimbel for doing this!
gimbel Offline
#17 Posted:
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Rough numbers are looking like 11-12 pounds plus a few accessories. Even though the price is higher, I believe we will be going with the tried and true Heartfelt beads.

Plenty of room for more to get in on this. I'll try to keep this thread on the 1st page through the week and total everything up by Friday.
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#18 Posted:
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i'm in for 3/4 #.
gimbel Offline
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fbcoacho wrote:
i'm in for 3/4 #.

1/2 and full pound increments is how they sell em. You're better to have more than you need anyway.
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#20 Posted:
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I need an education on the beads. I have cigar saver gel and have used it for years. What the lifespan of the beads?
gimbel Offline
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Rclay wrote:
I need an education on the beads. I have cigar saver gel and have used it for years. What the lifespan of the beads?

Unless you spill something odorous on them, they will last forever.

Taken from post #5:
One good point to remember is humidification beads have an indefinite life span. There is nothing to wear out and all that is needed to maintain them is either the addition of distilled water or the drying out of the beads if they become water logged.
TIGERCDW Offline
#22 Posted:
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Can I get in on this?

TIGER
gimbel Offline
#23 Posted:
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Yup, just shoot me an email with what you need.
TIGERCDW Offline
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gimbel wrote:
Yup, just shoot me an email with what you need.



I need 7 beads please.

Thank you.

TIGER
gimbel Offline
#25 Posted:
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TIGERCDW wrote:
I need 7 beads please.

Thank you.

TIGER


Micro, mini, regular, large, extra large, or JUMBO?
TIGERCDW Offline
#26 Posted:
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gimbel wrote:
Micro, mini, regular, large, extra large, or JUMBO?



None of the above.


Blue Anal is the hot new accessory.

TIGER
gimbel Offline
#27 Posted:
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Unless you're squatting Bud Lite cans, you got nuffin on the pros.
fbcoacho Offline
#28 Posted:
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1# then
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#29 Posted:
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Could use a Lb. PM sent... 80
gimbel Offline
#30 Posted:
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Anyone else?

Please email me: gimbel808 at gmail
tj2001cobra Offline
#31 Posted:
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Gumball, I need 2 pounds, Send me a bill.

:)
gimbel Offline
#32 Posted:
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tj2001cobra wrote:
Gumball, I need 2 pounds, Send me a bill.

:)

I'll get the whole order totaled up at the end of the week and see what kind of a bulk price I can get. Stay tuned.
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#33 Posted:
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email sent
TIGERCDW Offline
#34 Posted:
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EMS

TIGER
leftyposthole Offline
#35 Posted:
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tried to send e-mail did not go, would like in if not too late
gimbel Offline
#36 Posted:
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Nope, not too late. Just let me know what you need.
leftyposthole Offline
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how much is a lb.
gimbel Offline
#38 Posted:
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PM replied.
delta1 Offline
#39 Posted:
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Thanks for doing all the research and legwork gimbel. I'm in for a lb of 65%. PMS
Numismaniac Offline
#40 Posted:
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Any chance a non established member (no trades, etc) could get in, Just getting started, picked up a cheap humidor and a cigar oasis, then found this site and a local sawmill that has all the exotics, I can pick up some Spanish cedar there, set up a cooler and store more. Been looking to get some type of silica and this looks to be the standard, just let me know, If I can get in PM me and I can get you a payment out since I am so new here. Maybe another lb or two can help with the price
gimbel Offline
#41 Posted:
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Numismaniac wrote:
Any chance a non established member (no trades, etc) could get in, Just getting started, picked up a cheap humidor and a cigar oasis, then found this site and a local sawmill that has all the exotics, I can pick up some Spanish cedar there, set up a cooler and store more. Been looking to get some type of silica and this looks to be the standard, just let me know, If I can get in PM me and I can get you a payment out since I am so new here. Maybe another lb or two can help with the price

Take a look at their website and shoot me an email with what you need. I'll be contacting them for a price over the weekend and pass the info out next week.

gimbel808 at gmail
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#42 Posted:
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Pm sent
Numismaniac Offline
#43 Posted:
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Mine as well, thanks
DrMaddVibe Offline
#44 Posted:
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N00bs would do well to get in on this group buy!

Herfing
Nicar Offline
#45 Posted:
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Even vets that hydrate with perfume
dstieger Offline
#46 Posted:
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No Exquisicat?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#47 Posted:
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Nicar wrote:
Even vets that hydrate with perfume




Even kids with chickenpox!Frying pan Frying pan Frying pan Frying pan
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dstieger wrote:
No Exquisicat?


I'm stocked up on this. Whistle
hindquarter Offline
#49 Posted:
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I'd like to get in on this buy! I only have two small coolidors, the largest is 12"x12"x8" so I'm thinking about 2 or 3 ounces of beads for that one... and no more that 2oz for the smaller one. And a couple bead bags. Is there a minimum order? I probably would need no more than about a quarter pound. Should I use bead bags in this type of small cooler or do you recomend something else... Let me know what to send you and where to. Your advise is appreciated!

Nubee, hindquarterranch Herfing
daveincincy Offline
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^
1/2lb....eventually you'll need it for the bigger coolidors...trust me. LOL

If you have enough room/clearance, and the coolidors do not get moved around much, you can just set the beads in a small container w/ no lid (i.e. ziploc food container, etc).
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