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mspence Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Apr 24 2013, 12:02 PM EST
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http://youtu.be/0WPqKLkBLFU
Watch and see for yourself
Taps86 Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Apr 24 2013, 12:04 PM EST
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Hmm.
I use Boveda, but the question has never been raised which is really THE BEST. It's price that always is brought up.
z6joker9 Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, Apr 24 2013, 12:06 PM EST
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Beads are economical, boveda is convenient. Thus large areas = beads, small = boveda.

After watching the video, I agree, beads are easy to oversaturate and overhumidify in a small area. I'd be interested in testing them with 50-70% of the beads charged.
Taps86 Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, Apr 24 2013, 12:07 PM EST
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Holy ****! That was a biased review for sure. I don't ever recall my beads going about 75%
dstieger Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, Apr 24 2013, 12:14 PM EST
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I'm with drickard....."SHENANIGANS" Why go to the trouble of trying to look like a reputable test and not show/tell anything about how beads were prepped. BS
dubleuhb Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, Apr 24 2013, 12:22 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
I'm with drickard....."SHENANIGANS" Why go to the trouble of trying to look like a reputable test and not show/tell anything about how beads were prepped. BS

Exactly! Not saying their product doesn't work (Boveda) but c'mon how hard was that to rig.Brick wall
joli74 Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, Apr 24 2013, 12:37 PM EST
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Overcharged, undercharged, "exactly" charged, it doesn't matter. Beads give off 100% humidity. If someone wants to bend the laws of science and post a video showing otherwise everyone would love to see it. If you are able to "overfill" something that supposedly regulates humidity to a certain percentage isn't that a contradiction? Beads either regulate at 70% like they claim, or they do not.
ZRX1200 Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Apr 24 2013, 12:47 PM EST
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^ you realize not all beads work the same right Bill Nye?
Taps86 Offline
#9 Posted: Wed, Apr 24 2013, 12:55 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
^ you realize not all beads work the same right Bill Nye?

Applause












What about Cat Litter?
dstieger Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, Apr 24 2013, 12:58 PM EST
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joli74 wrote:
Overcharged, undercharged, "exactly" charged, it doesn't matter. Beads give off 100% humidity. If someone wants to bend the laws of science and post a video showing otherwise everyone would love to see it. If you are able to "overfill" something that supposedly regulates humidity to a certain percentage isn't that a contradiction? Beads either regulate at 70% like they claim, or they do not.


Huh?

So if the 'tester' put 4 ounces of beads, in, say, 8 ounces of water, that'd be fair evaluation of the products?

If so, why not light the Boveda packs on fire and then toss them in with the hygrometer?

Nobody has ever questioned whether you need to put distilled water on beads (to 'charge' them.) So, the "test" should have been run with some attempt at following manufacturer's instructions. If it was done that way, why not show it in the video?
bloody spaniard Offline
#11 Posted: Wed, Apr 24 2013, 1:42 PM EST
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Hmmmm, the debate which should have been on a different board rages on!

Think

I let the batteries in my digital run out & then put them away.
Now, silly me, I add water to my "florist sponges" as needed (translation: depending on the "feel" of my cigars) and smoke away with minimal smoking discomfort.

frickin' anal retentives
(I thought Boveda was a new watch line)
joli74 Offline
#12 Posted: Wed, Apr 24 2013, 1:52 PM EST
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Sorry it's silly to argue about facts, anyone can do this. Put some of your magic beads in a clear tupperware container with a hygro and come back in 5 hours. That's all you need to do. Then call shenanigans.
-Bill Nye
dubleuhb Offline
#13 Posted: Wed, Apr 24 2013, 1:57 PM EST
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joli74 wrote:
Sorry it's silly to argue about facts, anyone can do this. Put some of your magic beads in a clear tupperware container with a hygro and come back in 5 hours. That's all you need to do. Then call shenanigans.
-Bill Nye

Why then does my humidors not say 100% RH ?

Average Joe.
dubleuhb Offline
#14 Posted: Wed, Apr 24 2013, 1:58 PM EST
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Is Joli74 the dude in the video ?

Oh and wrong forum nood.
ZRX1200 Offline
#15 Posted: Wed, Apr 24 2013, 2:09 PM EST
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He works for Boveda.


Or the govt (just a guess)......Cuz he's a dumb fugger.
bloody spaniard Offline
#16 Posted: Wed, Apr 24 2013, 2:26 PM EST
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Only two things come out of Boveda- steers and queers- which one is you dspence(sp?)?jester
illinichaser Offline
#17 Posted: Wed, Apr 24 2013, 2:38 PM EST
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joli74 wrote:
Overcharged, undercharged, "exactly" charged, it doesn't matter. Beads give off 100% humidity. If someone wants to bend the laws of science and post a video showing otherwise everyone would love to see it. If you are able to "overfill" something that supposedly regulates humidity to a certain percentage isn't that a contradiction? Beads either regulate at 70% like they claim, or they do not.


So since we do know(and I have seen) that the silica beads work as a desiccant when they are dry put into a humid environment could you not say they absorb(or is it adsorb) 100% humidity(after all the moister absorbed, or given off in of itself not taking into account the surrounding atmosphere is 100%.

The true measure is not the moisture going in or the moisture coming off, it the equilibrium achieved in the surrounding environment. And I know that my beads have reached a happy equilibrium in my cooler of 62.5 % cause that is what my hygrometer reads every time.

And please don't spot FACTS unless you have references and supporting evidence. If you really want to dive into the kinetics, and thermodynamics on surfaces of silica material, let me know, I'll grab Cambell off of the shelf and send it to ya. . .

Beer
dstieger Offline
#18 Posted: Wed, Apr 24 2013, 2:40 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Hmmmm, the debate which should have been on a different board rages on!

Think

I let the batteries in my digital run out & then put them away.
Now, silly me, I add water to my "florist sponges" as needed (translation: depending on the "feel" of my cigars) and smoke away with minimal smoking discomfort.

frickin' anal retentives
(I thought Boveda was a new watch line)




bloody spaniard wrote:
^ Then this is not the thread for you. Move on.
















Sarcasm ram27bat
bloody spaniard Offline
#19 Posted: Wed, Apr 24 2013, 3:12 PM EST
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^ Tru dat, Blushing ya minutiae delving, contentious queen.
teedubbya Offline
#20 Posted: Wed, Apr 24 2013, 3:49 PM EST
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mspence wrote:
http://youtu.be/0WPqKLkBLFU
Watch and see for yourself


Sir Spamalot and his buddy Jackoff74 who are both pushing their product with their first posts are absolutely right. As I think about it I've been using beads for over a decade but my cigars are barely useable. At first I thought it was because I was dipping the entire humidor in the cement pond to wet the beads but now I realize it's because I need thier product!

effin trolls. no way in hell I would ever try Boveda now. Although there is no need since my humis are spot on at 65% using beads.
teedubbya Offline
#21 Posted: Wed, Apr 24 2013, 3:57 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
(I thought Boveda was a new watch line)


I thought it was a byproduct of the jerky industry often used to make gummy bears
bloody spaniard Offline
#22 Posted: Wed, Apr 24 2013, 4:03 PM EST
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^ LOL (good seeing you) Feeling better?

(Sorry for threadjack, Mr. Spencer'sgifts)
JadeRose Offline
#23 Posted: Wed, Apr 24 2013, 4:04 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I enjoy using anal beads with Drafter and jpotts.






I think this is what you were trying to say. You're welcome
teedubbya Offline
#24 Posted: Wed, Apr 24 2013, 4:09 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
^ LOL (good seeing you) Feeling better?

(Sorry for threadjack, Mr. Spencer'sgifts)


Yea I'm better.

I bought a few of those bovida things without doing research. Turns out the warning lable on them is bigger than the boveda pack itself. Contact with skin causes respiratory problems, pancreatic cancer, goiters, eye bleeding and possible ****** blisters (ironic that's jades gay porno name).

It says to never let them touch human skin, food or anything you intend to put in your mouf. In jades case that means jpotts.
bloody spaniard Offline
#25 Posted: Wed, Apr 24 2013, 4:41 PM EST
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Mother of mercy
So what is Boveda good for... besides utubes with an R&D guy wearing a Grateful Dead tee under his checkered shirt?
teedubbya Offline
#26 Posted: Wed, Apr 24 2013, 4:47 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Mother of mercy
So what is Boveda good for... besides utubes with an R&D guy wearing a Grateful Dead tee under his checkered shirt?


If you sleep for one night with a Boveda pack under each armpit, hair will no longer grow there.
ZRX1200 Offline
#27 Posted: Wed, Apr 24 2013, 4:56 PM EST
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Hmmmm.

I have a bunch of these. I wonder if I could get your initials into the hair off my ass trying that trick.
teedubbya Offline
#28 Posted: Wed, Apr 24 2013, 5:02 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Hmmmm.

I have a bunch of these. I wonder if I could get your initials into the hair off my ass trying that trick.



yes. none of the letters in my name are curved...... well maybe the d would be problematic
Roaster Dude Offline
#29 Posted: Thu, Apr 25 2013, 12:05 AM EST
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Peeing on an electric fence while chewing on barbed wire is a relatively good introduction to the laws of physics as well... But I dont have a video to include.

joli74 wrote:
Overcharged, undercharged, "exactly" charged, it doesn't matter. Beads give off 100% humidity. If someone wants to bend the laws of science and post a video showing otherwise everyone would love to see it. If you are able to "overfill" something that supposedly regulates humidity to a certain percentage isn't that a contradiction? Beads either regulate at 70% like they claim, or they do not.

Roaster Dude Offline
#30 Posted: Thu, Apr 25 2013, 11:39 AM EST
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They regulate to exactly what they are calibrated to... not magic just solid provable repeatable science.

http://www.cigarbid.com/...shenanigans#post3674108


joli74 wrote:
Overcharged, undercharged, "exactly" charged, it doesn't matter. Beads give off 100% humidity. If someone wants to bend the laws of science and post a video showing otherwise everyone would love to see it. If you are able to "overfill" something that supposedly regulates humidity to a certain percentage isn't that a contradiction? Beads either regulate at 70% like they claim, or they do not.

z6joker9 Offline
#31 Posted: Thu, Apr 25 2013, 12:11 PM EST
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To play the devil's advocate, beads are easy to put too much water on (for a noob) which would lead to high humidity in a small environment. Yes it is user error, but it's a common user error which can be a knock against a product. Properly used, beads work perfectly. However, Bovedas are really hard to mess up, which is why I recommend them to noobs starting out with those small humis.
teedubbya Offline
#32 Posted: Thu, Apr 25 2013, 12:12 PM EST
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z6joker9 wrote:
To play the devil's advocate, beads are easy to put too much water on (for a noob) which would lead to high humidity in a small environment. Yes it is user error, but it's a common user error which can be a knock against a product. Properly used, beads work perfectly. However, Bovedas are really hard to mess up, which is why I recommend them to noobs starting out with those small humis.


that and a bicycle helmet at all times
Roaster Dude Offline
#33 Posted: Thu, Apr 25 2013, 12:23 PM EST
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This is funny actually.
I left a sealed zip top laminated bag with a small 72% bovida pack and a thin strip of cedar in it in my truck.
It fell down behind my seat after being emptied of smokes, and was in there for more than a month or two. I park outside so the temps have been getting easily below the dew point at night. While cleaning out my truck the other day I found this bag with the bovida pack in it. The strange thing was how full the bovida pack was, it was fat.
So never letting a good humidity experiment go to waste I threw a gauge in the bag and tossed it on my desk.
The next day it read 82% !! How the FAQ could that be??? I thought to myself. So I threw in the freshly calibrated Extech and Holy **** it said 84% WTF i'm thinking to myself could this bovida pack be mislabeled??
No less than 5 hygrometers stuffed into that bag and sure enough 84% or so depending on the temp that day.

I left that 72% bovida pack on top of my computer case for quite a few days to dry out some.
It's now in a bag running at 72%

So the moral of the story is that everything has limits and operating parameters in which they must function in to be in their element. The bovida pack will go outside it intended range as well as beads if pushed to their respective limits.
So bite me!!


joli74 wrote:
Overcharged, undercharged, "exactly" charged, it doesn't matter. Beads give off 100% humidity. If someone wants to bend the laws of science and post a video showing otherwise everyone would love to see it. If you are able to "overfill" something that supposedly regulates humidity to a certain percentage isn't that a contradiction? Beads either regulate at 70% like they claim, or they do not.

dstieger Offline
#34 Posted: Thu, Apr 25 2013, 12:39 PM EST
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Roaster Dude wrote:
This is funny actually.
I left a sealed zip top laminated bag with a small 72% bovida pack and a thin strip of cedar in it in my truck.
It fell down behind my seat after being emptied of smokes, and was in there for more than a month or two. I park outside so the temps have been getting easily below the dew point at night. While cleaning out my truck the other day I found this bag with the bovida pack in it. The strange thing was how full the bovida pack was, it was fat.
So never letting a good humidity experiment go to waste I threw a gauge in the bag and tossed it on my desk.
The next day it read 82% !! How the FAQ could that be??? I thought to myself. So I threw in the freshly calibrated Extech and Holy **** it said 84% WTF i'm thinking to myself could this bovida pack be mislabeled??
No less than 5 hygrometers stuffed into that bag and sure enough 84% or so depending on the temp that day.

I left that 72% bovida pack on top of my computer case for quite a few days to dry out some.
It's now in a bag running at 72%

So the moral of the story is that everything has limits and operating parameters in which they must function in to be in their element. The bovida pack will go outside it intended range as well as beads if pushed to their respective limits.
So bite me!!






Concur. As anyone else who recharges their Boveda's will tell you, they are capable of plumping up far more than their optimum operating 'state'.

By the way, for those that toss old Bovedas out, they recharge easily in sealed tupperware with shot glass of distilled water. They don't advertise it or recommend it because, I suppose, they think they'd sell less. But, I have yet to find limit as to how many times they can be rejuvenated.
Roaster Dude Offline
#35 Posted: Thu, Apr 25 2013, 12:43 PM EST
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Or in your humidor when you put to much water on your beads d'oh!


dstieger wrote:
Concur. As anyone else who recharges their Boveda's will tell you, they are capable of plumping up far more than their optimum operating 'state'.

By the way, for those that toss old Bovedas out, they recharge easily in sealed tupperware with shot glass of distilled water. They don't advertise it or recommend it because, I suppose, they think they'd sell less. But, I have yet to find limit as to how many times they can be rejuvenated.
dubleuhb Offline
#36 Posted: Thu, Apr 25 2013, 1:05 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
Concur. As anyone else who recharges their Boveda's will tell you, they are capable of plumping up far more than their optimum operating 'state'.

By the way, for those that toss old Bovedas out, they recharge easily in sealed tupperware with shot glass of distilled water. They don't advertise it or recommend it because, I suppose, they think they'd sell less. But, I have yet to find limit as to how many times they can be rejuvenated.

Yep, have the same deal.
Zmarkadonis Offline
#37 Posted: Thu, Apr 25 2013, 1:43 PM EST
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ordered a pound of heartfelt beads, put them in a tupperware container for a week or so with a glass of water, took e glass out, threw in a hygro, boom 65% on the dot. put them into 2 media bags, tossed them in my destop top, everytime i open it, it's at 65%
daveincincy Offline
#38 Posted: Thu, Apr 25 2013, 2:21 PM EST
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Roaster Dude wrote:
Or in your humidor when you put to much water on your beads d'oh!





Actually, this method is what I've used in one of my bins that doesn't have a hygrometer. I use beads (cat litter) and have a gel pack (not Boveda...but a gel pack from a box of Fuentes). As long as the gel pack is soft, humidity should be within a good range. If I feel the gel pack get a little dry (crunchy at worst) or shrink a bit it's time to wet the beads/litter. Been doing that for years...no problems to speak of.
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