endless hours? no about 2o minutes.
>20 minutes?! And without a stance statement from you as to why t was posted it did not deserve discussion.
leave my country? why should i. i love my country, i just have no respect for the last vote.
> Your love of your country is not in question but you do have the choice to leave if the running of the country is in hands you find that distasteful. Lack of respect for the last vote? You can only beat a dead horse for so long then it becomes unproductive. The legality decision(s) regarding the vote have long been stated as final. There is no discussion of this point worth continuing. Perhaps it would be productive for you to become a voting monitor?
anyone with half a brain must realize that there wer so many problems and so many people hiding from responding to those problems, people that were in charge of the voting machines with no record, that somewhere in the great abyss, this country elected not only a country bumpkin, but a man who in his childhood put firecrackers in the mouths of frogs to watch them blow up. i troubled youth, who because of his family has gotten away with entirely too much.
>Well this piece is pretty emotion laden even for this type of post. This amounts to nothing but jealousy and name calling in a situation where you have run out of fuel to burn. It is a rant, nothing more.
if you guys would your love of this man with the same enthusiasm that i do showing my disrespect, people might be calling you senile, demented, or whatever you chose to call me.
>This addresses the entire group here in this forum? A pretty wide sweeping broom you have my friend! LOL! My respect for others is not blatant, however; I do respect the office and therefore the individual who has been assigned to run the office by the citizenry, party affiliation not withstanding. Also it is unfortunate that names were called, it adds nothing to any discussion of any point/counterpoint. In this case my empathy lies with Rick. The flaming has no place on a forum even in response to something viewed as controversial as apparently this has been. I am still unclear how showing disrespect is in any way productive. This tactic seems sophmoric.
i don't see many valetines to bush posted. he wants you to tell him he is loved, but to no avail, only sheep critiquing the the anti-bush valentines i post.
> "he wants you to tell him he is loved," If this is a personal statement of your measure of the POTUS all I can reply is that of course you are entitled to your opinion. I would guess the "valentines" have been filed...as votes recorded. The final legal opinion on the vote has been put to rest as stated before.
when you opened this post, what did you expect? i post a picture of 4 people responsive for the deaths of innocent people and i posted their numbers. did you expect to see some glowing praise for a man who started a war with no cause, opps, i forgot for a moment the WMD, XsnipX
> The decision to go to war was made with the information the POTUS had at the time.
and as a result c country that i could care less about has been decimated, ten's of thousands of innocent iraqis have been killed along with over 1,000 of our children, brothers, wives, and fathers.
> Why bring it up to bolster your point of view if you do not care? We are a people, one human race. A large part of what makes us human is caring for each other. When a country's people is being being decimated by a tyrant who uses WMD to destroy his own populace I believe we have a responsibility to help. Because "Rick" does not care does not mean the others do not care.Yes Iraqi's have died. Yes we have lost people as well. Please exrapolate the numbers for me to show how many people would be dead if the people who care do not intervene now and then.
i knew kerry wasn't worth a damn. i had hoped he might bring a faster end to this new vietnam we are in.
> When a country needs our assitance and we see the wrong and respond we cannot just walk away to leave their peoples to become ruled by another tyrant. Our presence to this date, appears justified to me. This may of course change as I have no crystal ball and neither do you neither does the POTUS. I will lend a hand to a fellow down on his luck, do we differ there?
how many more of our people have to die before the light goes on in all your collective heads that we had no business there to begin with and we have no business there now.
>see previous point.
some of you don't like my posts.
>If this is another sweeping statement count me out. I find your tweeks to the populace thought provoking and have enjoyed the threads personally. I could do without the name calling and childish antics in print many who oppose your point of view bring to bear it serves no purpose.
well i don't like the lack of intelligent responses like move, it's too much, i'm getting dotty.
> Previous post I alluded to perhaps posting a statement for direction may in fact give the replies something to discuss.
i suspect many of you are still impressed with the pseudo patriotism of the flags waving.
>There is a flag outside my house. I love my country and do not intend to leave not even for the attractiveness France offers LOL! I do not display psuedo patriotism either. Unless you have further statements to include with this accusation I would be counted out here.
some of you are willing to give up personal liberty and freedom because you are scared of the boogy man that this administration is promising.
>The boogy man certainly changed a certain NY skyline in recent painful memory didn't he? "Boogy-man" usually refers to the mythical of childhood fears. The twin towers act of 9/11 was not a dream. My assumption is that you're basing loss of freedoms on passage of the Patriot act? I apologize if the assumption is incorrect. Ever since this nation was founded we have been giving up personal liberties and freedoms although this does not make it right it is part and parcel of being civilized. Should the majority not want certain restricitons placed/enacted there are ways to have such things stopped and even repealed. Again the dead horse beating becomes louder. The unproductivity of posting dissatisfaction with laws passed in our country on a cigar board is ungraspable in it's immense waste. Why not lobby? Join an activist group! Surely there are more productive methods which have abetter chance of results in your favor than this.
you forgot bush is no longer interested in osama ben laden.
> There is no basis in fact for this statement. In fact any number of people who post regularly to this forum are associated with the active military and will call this statement a boldfaced fabrication. The POTUS can only direct and manage with the intel he has available at the moment in real time. You need to speak with currently active member of the military about the tactics/manpower/hours being applied to this hunt, it goes on.
bush's attention span is too short.
> How does this support your point of placing the POTUS in the cartoon category above. I do not mean to take it out of context either. If the previous statement somehow could make this one gel into a substance worthy of further discussion you will have to expand more on it.
if you want to interpret him as the super hero that you think he is, go ahead.
> This supports what point? The citizens of most countries admire their leader.
i see a very bad man who has no remorse about killing people to suit his own ego. i don't think he gets off on it, i think the lives of others have no meaning to him.
>These statements make a judgement of a man. You have more years of experience living life than I do but I will never assign such traits to a man who leads our country as POTUS out of sheer respect. (Is this the vaunted long lost Valentine? LOL!) As you stated you think and therefore again you are entitled to your opinion. I am entitled to disagree and do so. He has addressed families of our lost soldiers and cried with them. Can a person be so callous as to discount that action as well?
i am not impressed with the photos of him in front of the seal of the president, posed to make him appear to have a halo.
> Haven't seen a photo such as this myself. By the way, shouldn't the POTUS be in front of the seal of the "President?"
Your last reply to me-
ok let's dialogue about my response. we don't have to talk about the picture post if it offends you. "
> There is a saying my friend, "Assumption is the mother of all f**kup" I never said I was offended. True dialogue does not involve the putting of your thoughts in my mouth. When I make an assumption as to your thoughts I have done so because I was honestly unsure if I had it right, and said so at the time of making said assumption.
Finally, this reply lacks cflammable material on purpose. It makes the authors points without name calling or reference to any person health and welfare. There is a lot of room for rebuttal no doubt and these points discussed above will be debated longer than any of the posters herein will live. Make your point and move on why get nuts over it? Getting nuts is unhealthy and unproductive a sure road to no where. Personal attacks have no place here. Rick was right there is more controversy in these type of posts than more mundane subjects, he got what he wanted ...I think.
Rick I hope this finds you and yours doing well, say Hi to Toby for me. Is she feeling better?
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