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0patience Offline
#1 Posted: Mon, Jul 21 2003, 6:53 PM EST
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I know I am new here, but I was hoping someone could explain the bidding to me.
It states on teh auction page that the bidding ends at a specific time or 5 minutes from the last bid.
Now, when the bidders list never changes and the last bid was a couple minutes before the end of the auction, how does the auction stay open 30 minutes after it was listed to end?
I have no problem with watching an auction go on, if I can see some activity, but I don't see any.
Am I missing something? Please enlighten me.

And yes, I realize that patience is a virtue, but that is why my handle is zero patience. :)
usahog Offline
#2 Posted: Mon, Jul 21 2003, 7:01 PM EST
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Yep Yer missin something... You need to use your Refresh Button on your Visor Often!!!

it also helps when you see an auction block Item like that going that long... to just watch it go because if your the Perticipant Pretty much bet your Over Bidding on the Item in Question!!!

Welcome Aboard!!! and Enjoy your Ride!!!

Laterzzzz
Hog
0patience Offline
#3 Posted: Mon, Jul 21 2003, 7:08 PM EST
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I was watching to get an idea of what some of the stuff went for.
I kept looking at the time and it was showing a change, but for some reason, my browser gave me fits.
I had to pres Ctrl+R to refresh it.

I figured if I watch a few of them I could get some idea of what is a general price range for some of them.
I did find a couple I want to bid on, but they are days out. LOL!
xrundog Offline
#4 Posted: Tue, Jul 22 2003, 4:56 AM EST
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If you want to price check, use your watch list function. It's been a great new feature!
E-Chick Offline
#5 Posted: Tue, Jul 22 2003, 12:02 PM EST
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Welcome 0...and enjoy. You'll win in due time...just don't be one of those jerkoffs that swoop in at the very last second and knock someone off of their feet...

The watch-list is a great feature...you'll tend to see most of the items come around again in a week or two. Don't sweat it!

Marla
usahog Offline
#6 Posted: Tue, Jul 22 2003, 4:24 PM EST
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"just don't be one of those jerkoffs that swoop in at the very last second and knock someone off of their feet..." LMFAO!!!! I Resemble that Remark!!!!! LOL


Hog
0patience Offline
#7 Posted: Tue, Jul 22 2003, 4:30 PM EST
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Unfortunately, I am not.
I tend to put my max bid in the appropriate box and let it do what it will. The bad thing is, not everyone seems to think the same, so I tend to lose alot of auctions. I figure if it is an auction I really want, then I set my price and if folks out bid me, then that would mean they want it worse than I do and I am not going to stand in their way.
I really like to see the auctions where there are multiple of the same thing. It makes it a little more "fair". :)
0patience Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Jul 23 2003, 4:56 PM EST
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I won one!
Whoo hoo!!
Granted, It may not have been a high dollar fancy cigar auction, but I am happy with it. LOL!
arwings Offline
#9 Posted: Wed, Jul 23 2003, 5:24 PM EST
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Alright E-chick. Who gave away my bidding strategy, and how did you get it?!! Served me well for months; now you post it in the clear for everyone to see!!!
0patience Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, Jul 23 2003, 5:28 PM EST
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Actually, I look for the ones that there is stuff left that no one has bid on. :)
Wait..... is there a reason for that?
DOH!
E-Chick Offline
#11 Posted: Wed, Jul 23 2003, 5:29 PM EST
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Congrats on the win O...

Maybe I should have posted mine with tongue in check, Hog...it's hard to convey things here sometimes...

0patience Offline
#12 Posted: Wed, Jul 23 2003, 6:46 PM EST
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Well, I see what you mean about certain folks coming in at the last minute.
I bid on one that had a couple hours left. Kept an eye on it, when I bid on it, there were 3 and only one person had bid on it. No problem right??
Some jerk came in and bid up and purchased 2 and knocked me out.
What a load!!!
I apologize, but to outbid someone for ONE of the item is fair game, but to have one left and all would come out ok and out bid someone knock someone out to be a pig and take 2 is just wrong. TOTALLY WRONG!!
I know, fair game and all, but this joker better hope I don't see his name on stuff, cause I'll purposely buy something out from under him, whether I need it or not. It's only money. LOL!
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#13 Posted: Wed, Jul 23 2003, 8:40 PM EST
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0patience

"jerkoffs that swoop in at the very last second and knock someone off of their feet"

is e's way of saying she wasen't watching and someone outbid her.

your should request once a week shipping to save on shipping costs. not a bad idea to check with cigars international, the home of c-bid, and make sure you don't buy something at auction, you could have bought right from CI without the bidding.

if you get outbid, it's an auction. develope your own technique for winning.

welcome aboard.
SteveS Offline
#14 Posted: Wed, Jul 23 2003, 9:21 PM EST
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Yes, there's frustration along the way at times, but you're gonna be surprised, I think, to find how easily one can max his or her credit card, fill his or her humidors, be forced to add storage in the form of cooleradors, sweaterboxadors or what have you, and throroughly aggravate ones spouse .... patience is the key to success and there is no substitute for it nor are there any shortcuts ...

If you've not been bidding long, it's a good time to start on that coolerador ... insurance, you might say ... don't wait for the rainy days ahead ...

0patience Offline
#15 Posted: Wed, Jul 23 2003, 9:46 PM EST
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Yeah, I wasn't paying attention on the auction I bid on, cause there was 3 minutes left and there was one left out of 3, so I figured it wasn't much of a concern.

I never would have imagined that someone would come in and overbid and take 2 of the 3 and knock me out.
One, I could see. But 2 is just being a jerk [not my first choice of words].

If that is the way the game is going to play then by all means, I have no problem with playing hard ball.
I won't need to max out a credit card, that is what debit cards are for. :)
I've spent enough at other auctions in cut throat bid wars that it doesn't bother me to outbid someone, but I had the impression that these auctions would be "gentlemen's" auctions. What was I thinking.

As far as storage, what I don't have here, I have available somewhere else. I just haven't had access to folks who could give me input into some of the different brands.

Don't get me wrong, I prefer to play by the rules of the majority, but get irritated when I find out that others don't. Oh well, thanks for the tip on the cigarsinternational.

Generally I don't pay a whole lot of attention to the price if it is what I want, but I hold to the principle of, --- I decide the price I want to pay, if the bid goes past it, I will purchase it outright from somewhere else and it won't bother me to pay a little more.

I watched an auction earlier for a sample Baccarat and because of various reasons, I got knocked out with minutes left. I went somewhere else and purchased it for a couple bucks more. I end up giving away more stuff than I end up keeping.

Ha ha, life goes on. There will be plenty more. ;)
Have fun.
Tell me to shut up if you want. LOL!
arwings Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Jul 24 2003, 3:51 AM EST
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What?...Me complain! If it wasn't for those last minute jerkoffs coming in and knocking me off my feet, I'd probably be divorced, in bankruptcy court, or worse. They've saved me a ton of money, not to mention having to sweat out NOT winning bids I put in due to a temporary lapse of reason/logic (or one snifter of brandy too many....). LOL!
Slimboli Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, Jul 24 2003, 4:02 AM EST
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0patience --- what would make you think these would be "gentlemen's" auctions? An auction is just that ... an auction, and although many of us know each other on these forums, there are an equal number (or more) that bid here and never visit these forums ... and are total strangers.

Why would someone be a 'jerk', just because he wants more than one item from a lot? I see nothing wrong with that ... and even if that person doesn't want more than one item, sometimes that can be good bidding strategy.

I personally have bid on more than one item in a lot, in the hopes of getting just one of them at my lower price. Believe me, it has worked to my advantage many times ...

Also, coming in a couple of minutes before the auction closes (and being what is called a 'sniper') is what makes the difference between winning, or losing a bid. If I really want the item, and it is within what I am willing to pay for it ... I'll come in and 'snipe' that item right out from under the high bidder. Noting wrong with that ...

You say, "Don't get me wrong, I prefer to play by the rules of the majority, but get irritated when I find out that others don't."

I don't understand what you mean by that. Are you talking about some 'unwritten rules' that all the people who bid are supposed to abide by, when it comes to an auction? The auction rules are set up by who ever is running the auction ... and those are really the only rules that count ...

Playing 'Mr. Gentleman' while holding your little pinkie in the air while sipping your cup of tea isn't going to win you many bids ... ;^) ... because someone will almost always see a good deal sitting there ... and come in and take it.

But ... sometimes they won't see it, and you will get one heck of a deal, but that will take a lot of time and 'patience' ...





Slimboli Offline
#18 Posted: Thu, Jul 24 2003, 4:34 AM EST
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Oh, and 0patience ... I don't know if you have realized this ... or not ... but there ARE bidders here that are retailers, and there also are some who (more than likely) are folks who auction items on those 'other' sites ...

They have discovered that many times, they can get a better deal at these auctions, than they can at wholesale ... so they will bid on entire lots!

What have they got to loose, if they can get it below what it would cost them from their wholesaler? And, if they don't get it ... no big loss ... but it does contribute to driving the bids up.
al'Thor Offline
#19 Posted: Thu, Jul 24 2003, 5:40 AM EST
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This is what I don't understand:

http://www.cigarbid.com/...on/lot.cfm?lotID=121676

paying more than I can get at my local retailer (who isn't cheap!!) !!!
But it's the bids like this that keep Cbid running, right?? (and allow all the great deals that I get!!!)

Opatience... just don't let this happen to you....
SteveS Offline
#20 Posted: Thu, Jul 24 2003, 6:08 AM EST
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More than you pay at YOUR local retailer, maybe, but $5.40 each is sure as hell not more than you'd pay if your local retailer were in California or Washington or some other state with a prohibiive tobacco tax ... plus, if your local retailer had the other costs associated with being in, say, downtown SF, you'd not only pay more, you'd pay quite a bit more ...
0patience Offline
#21 Posted: Thu, Jul 24 2003, 9:35 AM EST
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Ok. point taken.
I'll shut up. :)
xrundog Offline
#22 Posted: Thu, Jul 24 2003, 10:52 AM EST
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I agee with Slim. It's an auction, all's fair!
al'Thor Offline
#23 Posted: Thu, Jul 24 2003, 11:37 AM EST
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Wow... I guess I didn't realize how great Texas was...

maybe they should start using that to promote tourism... "Texas.... lots of flat land... and great cigar prices!!!"

al'Thor Offline
#24 Posted: Thu, Jul 24 2003, 11:40 AM EST
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BTW .... their $21.00 on CI....

eleltea Offline
#25 Posted: Thu, Jul 24 2003, 5:52 PM EST
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Good one, E-Chick. I do not believe you are the "tongue-in-check" type, however.
HockeyDad Offline
#26 Posted: Fri, Jul 25 2003, 3:16 AM EST
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When the bid goes higher than CI's price, that is just free entertainment, unless you are the overbidder.
john49 Offline
#27 Posted: Fri, Jul 25 2003, 10:31 AM EST
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That's smart - spend your money on something you do not want. That will teach the other guy!
usahog Offline
#28 Posted: Fri, Jul 25 2003, 10:50 AM EST
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Well, I see what you mean about certain folks coming in at the last minute.
I bid on one that had a couple hours left. Kept an eye on it, when I bid on it, there were 3 and only one person had bid on it. No problem right??
Some jerk came in and bid up and purchased 2 and knocked me out.
What a load!!!
"I apologize, but to outbid someone for ONE of the item is fair game, but to have one left and all would come out ok and out bid someone knock someone out to be a pig and take 2 is just wrong. TOTALLY WRONG!! "

I resemble that remark!!!! and I was double bidding at the time of the post also... Hell for both items well below fair market value I woulda been Nutts to allow O to overcome!!! ain't like them Items wasn't coming back up on the next Lots at that price or less!!!
btw my Initials are ummmmm JJ from Cali LMAO!!!!

Laterzzzz
Hog
HockeyDad Offline
#29 Posted: Fri, Jul 25 2003, 11:08 AM EST
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John49,

i'm not saying to run up the bid. Set your autobid to your max that you're willing to pay. If someone else wants to pay more, try again some other day. If someone else wants to pay more and even more than CI, try again some other day and enjoy the laugh. If you're the one paying more....to each his own.
SteveS Offline
#30 Posted: Fri, Jul 25 2003, 12:29 PM EST
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On the first bid I ever made here, I checked prices not only on CIs Website, but on a couple of their competitors as well ... once ot twice in the years since, I've gotten sufficiently caught up in bidding fever that I paid more than I really wanted to, but not once have I paid more than what I could have got something for elsewhere ...

In setting my bids, I consider the cost of shipping as well as the amount I bid, and if I "win" one at the beginning of a week, I watch the auctions more closely and try to bunch my shipments in order to minimize that part of the expense ...

I "lose" perhaps 4 or 5 bids for every one I "win" and consider myself fairly successful in the auctions ... my wife, on the other hand, considers me far TOO successful ...
Tobasco Offline
#31 Posted: Fri, Jul 25 2003, 6:50 PM EST
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Hehe! this is funny. Like Slim said, its fair to do whatever the heck you want. There are no rules.

All I know is I get a shipment in every week. I dont have any problems.... :>)

Mag
THL Offline
#32 Posted: Sun, Jul 27 2003, 2:23 PM EST
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The late bidding doesn't bother me. That's standard auction stuff. What bothers me is EARLY bidding! No one wins any auction until it closes yet you often see people run up the prices shortly after it opens. I guess some folks feel they have to go "wire to wire."
Robby Offline
#33 Posted: Sun, Jul 27 2003, 2:38 PM EST
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I think sometimes that may work like this,

you bid 20 bux? with an auto-bid of 50? someone else comes along and bids 23 with an auto-bid of 55, then it goes to the second bidder and would show 53? Or something like that...
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