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Sylance Offline
#1 Posted:
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Don't know if anyone has heard about this, but I thought I would drop a note about it. Mel Gibson has written, produced and directed a movie about the life and death of Jesus Christ. If this isn't your thing, ignore this, but if it is, check out:

http://www.passion-movie.com

I for one am very much looking forward to this. It's a story that I feel should be (re)told today and it looks like Mel Gibson is the man to do it. The trailer leaves me breathless.

Lance
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#2 Posted:
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Wow.. that looks like it is going to be great! Do you have any idea when it is coming out?

Ezell
DrMaddVibe Offline
#3 Posted:
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But the entire film is in Latin!?!

I saw a clip on TBN about what went into making this. Amazing. The scene where Jesus(I can't remember the actor's name?!)is being whipped was describbed in detail by him. They had a piece of wood on his back and they would flail him with the cat o' nine tails but on one occasion the whip went around the wood and struck the actor full force on part of his back that wasn't covered by the wood. He screamed out in agony(they were showing the clip as he's talking about this too!)and then the 2nd blow missed it's target as well and he described it as all of the air in his body was forced out and he couldn't scream or tell them that something wrong had happened, they captured a real whipping on film and it made the final cut(prolly 'cause it's realism!), but the actor said that he was struck on twice and he can't imagine the pain of what Jesus had to endure, that and carry his own cross. Which the actor had to do the next day during shooting and the pain from the "whipping" was making it tough for his arms to go above his shoulders.

I'll see it, but I think that it's a shame Mel chose to use Latin. Mel doesn't put his name on bad films. Even Mad Max which was done on a limited budget is a good film, but The Patriot, Braveheart, We Were Soldiers,Ransom, and Payback are legendary movies that belong in any collector's collection!
jdrabinski Offline
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let's just pretend anti-semitism doesn't matter.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#5 Posted:
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Let's just portray it accuratly!
al'Thor Offline
#6 Posted:
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Man, I hope this is good... but I'm skeptical. This is such a dangerous, sensitive subject and it seems just about impossible to properly convey it, but I guess there's a chance that it could be good. Because I'm too lazy to do research right now - anyone know if Mel is a Christian? I never heard anything about that...
Sylance Offline
#7 Posted:
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From the website:

Q. Is Mel Gibson a Christian?

(A) Director, actor, and producer Mel Gibson is a practicing Christian that attends Sunday services.
jdrabinski Offline
#8 Posted:
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Get it right...

Good thing we have noted historian, philosopher, and theologian Mel Gibson working on the project! LOL!

Maybe his dad can help get things right, maybe between denying the Holocaust ever happened.
usahog Offline
#9 Posted:
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I think it's going to be a Great Movie.. I myself and the Wife along with many others are looking forward to this Movie... I know Mel has caught allot of flack from folks in Hollywood about it and all
www.newsmax.com is doing an artical on him about the movie it's coming out in there magazine this month...

BTW did you say something Doc?

Hog
usahog Offline
#10 Posted:
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Mel Gibson Talks to NewsMax Magazine
Find out his revelations . . .
NewsMax Magazine Exclusive – The media have speculated endlessly about Mel Gibson's "The Passion of Christ." The New York Times and other powerful voices have attacked it without seeing it and don't want you to see it either.
But only the November issue of NewsMax Magazine has the inside scoop on this controversial movie.

In NewsMax's cover story, "Mel's Passion," James Hirsen, unlike the Times’ Frank Rich, actually knows what he’s talking about – Hirsen has seen the film and even witnessed its creation.

Now he shares this behind-the-scenes look at “The Passion” just for NewsMax readers. In fact, Mel Gibson has personally thanked NewsMax for our coverage of his movie and gave Hirsen a look behind the screen – one he now shares in this exclusive report in NewsMax Magazine. You can get this report FREE - Just Click Here Now!

In Hirsen's special report for NewsMax Magazine, find out:


what made Gibson decide to tell, for the first time on film, the unvarnished reality of Jesus’ execution.

how the naysayers’ attack on “The Passion” is backfiring.

the stark pro and con opinions of rabbis (those who have seen the movie like it; those who denounce it haven’t seen it).

what the Vatican and evangelical Christians have to say.

the hidden agenda and real target of those who attack “The Passion.”

why it took so long for Gibson to make his dream project.

the unusual way he found the actors to play Jesus, Mary and Mary Magdalene.

the extraordinary, some say supernatural, things that happened on the set of the film.

what the movie is really about.

...and a revealing glimpse of the real Mel Gibson.
This special Mel Gibson edition of NewsMax Magazine is available online – and even check out our FREE offer: Just Click Here Now!

NewsMax’s November edition is also just hitting newsstands, including many Barnes & Noble bookstores and Wal-Marts.

There's much more in the November edition:


the shocking spread of legalized murder in America.

details of Bill O'Reilly's private meeting with Bill Clinton.

how the communist Chinese are spying inside the U.S.

California’s disastrous decision to welcome illegal aliens and even terrorists.

Arnold Schwarzenegger’s plans to save California.

how actor Kevin Costner is making nice with Fidel Castro.

how Osama bin Laden could easily get Social Security in the U.S.

how you can be tracked down ... by your own cell phone.

Wesley Clark’s bold campaign for president.

why Rush Limbaugh regrets quitting ESPN.

the rise of communism in Nicaragua ... again.

new questions about the Patriot Act.

why some Democrat congressmen are supporting President Bush on Iraq and lashing out at their own party.

a visit with Matt Drudge and explanation of how he makes more than $1 million a year off of his Web site.

why the YMCA is under fire.

the golden investment of the year.

how to keep inflation from destroying your retirement.

your favorite columnists, including Michelle Malkin, Christopher Ruddy, Bill O’Reilly, Barry Farber and Ed Koch.
Most of these articles are exclusive to the magazine and not available on NewsMax.com. Click Here to subscribe to NewsMax Magazine and learn what the media establishment refuses to tell you.

Enjoy!!!!!
Hog
Sylance Offline
#11 Posted:
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Cool, finally someone who actually has seen the film will comment on it. It's so ludicrous that people are denouncing the film without even seeing it. To me, you lose all credibility if you do that.
tailgater Offline
#12 Posted:
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John,
Nobody is paying to see Mel's dad.
If you have a fetish with him, deal with it.
If you simply need to be an ****, please continue. You're doing a great job and I wouldn't want to slow you down.

DrMaddVibe Offline
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Johnny, you're "credentials" aren't living up to your hype either!

You're hypersensitive to issues you don't believe in. From a philosophical standpoint, I'd have to say that you stuck your foot in a bear trap! Either that or you're really that big of a fraud.

If its some "race bait" that you want, then look up the Nation of Islam...they'll be able to help YOU out!
Sylance Offline
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Here are some quotes from jdrabinski:
_______________________________________________________
“let's just pretend anti-semitism doesn't matter. “

“I don't see the difference between the NAMBLA case and the bomb building instructions. Both promote destructive actions. But to put people in jail for what they say criminalizes speech...and that's a violation of the first amendment”

“I am just as opposed to the Christian right-wing as I am to NAMBLA, but I don't want laws to prevent them from existing. Again, you cannot be prosecuted in this country for your ideas. Sorry, that's the price of freedom. Uncomfortable, but a pretty decent system.”

“Remind me: when was this war fought by veterans against foreign invaders bent on changing our national language???...er, correction, we DO NOT have a national language...free country = you can speak whatever you want...”
_______________________________________________________

John, you’re confusing me. Do you agree with this movie or not? With your own voice, you’ve said NAMBLA should have the right to have a website that instructs and promotes the molesting of children by adult men. But then you say that this movie is anti-Semitism. Do you believe that Mel Gibson has the right to tell this story or not?

It amazes (actually it doesn’t) me that people are protesting the telling of the greatest story ever. Whether you believe in God and Jesus doesn’t matter in this case, you cannot deny that this story has shaped the world more than anything else. Why shouldn’t it be told?
tarheel4lyf Offline
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from what I understand, Mel Gibson belongs to a group of Catholics that went against the 2nd Vatican Council which changed the mass was held, from being in all Latin, to being in the language of it's people. The services he attends are all in Latin.
eleltea Offline
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I am neither Catholic nor Jewish, but I like the Latin mass myself. I also like the Jewish prayers spoken in Hebrew, which I have heard mostly at funerals. Maybe it's the mystery. A Catholic mass in Latin in a huge cathedral with a full choir and one of those centuries old pipe organs is a moving experience. I don't belong to any sects. I don't think that believing in the death and resurrection of Christ automatically makes one an anti-semite. There is another that the people of the book best be wary of.
Sylance Offline
#17 Posted:
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eletea,

Great insight, and very refreshing to see. Your last statement, if I read it correctly, is very true. Too true in fact… too many are forgetting who the real enemy is. I have a couple quotes that I’d like to share:

1. “War is older than man.” – An army general, but don’t remember who
2. “The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled, was convincing us he doesn’t exist.” – The Usual Suspects

Lance
eleltea Offline
#18 Posted:
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You read it correctly, Lance. Thanks.
jdrabinski Offline
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I get the feeling I'm the only one who has read up on this film.
Sylance Offline
#20 Posted:
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Oh, please enlighten us.
jdrabinski Offline
#21 Posted:
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Do a google.com search on Mel Gibson and anti-semitism. It's a pretty widely written up storyline. Be sure to read the sources Mel used for the film.
Todog Offline
#22 Posted:
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Why don't we pretend that jdrabinski doesn't exist?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#23 Posted:
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Now you're Jewish?

You proclaim to have a vested interest in the bibical accuracicies?

Somehow, your words ring hollow. You're here on this particular topic to stir the pot. You've stated before you're not a believer, if anything you've gone out of your way to chastise organized religion. Spare us the "opiate for the masses" rhetoric.

I only hope that more people here see you for what you really are. A charlatan to the philisophical world. Don't foresake your "morals" for the sake of an arguement, please. I won't bode well for your collegiate image.

You will have to stand in judgement(like us all)and atone for your misgivings.
usahog Offline
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ADL's Foxman: Mel Gibson 'Infected' With Anti-Semitism

Marc Morano, CNSNews.com

NEW YORK - A prominent Jewish leader declared that movie actor and director Mel Gibson was "seriously infected" with anti-Semitic views, based on recent comments the Hollywood star has made regarding his movie "The Passion of Christ."

Abraham Foxman, the national director of Anti-Defamation League, said, "I think he's infected, seriously infected, with some very, very serious anti-Semitic views."

Foxman made the remarks at a panel discussion titled "Mel Gibson's The Passion: A Conversation on Its Implications for Jews and Christians." The discussion took place during the 90th annual national meeting of ADL Thursday.

In an interview with CNSNews.com after the discussion,
Foxman reiterated his comments about Gibson.

"[Gibson's] got classical anti-Semitic views. If he can say that there is a cabal out there of secular liberal Jews who are trying to blame the Holocaust on the Catholic Church, that's a classic anti-Semitic canard, that Jews operate in cabals to get their way."

Editor's Note: Mel Gibson tells NewsMax Magazine his side of the story. Full details click here now:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/11/5/174814.shtml

But William Donohue, president of the conservative Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, repudiated Foxman's comments about Gibson being "infected" with anti-Semitic views.

"I would regard this as the most singular irresponsible statement we have heard yet from any one of Mel Gibson's critics," Donohue told CNSNews.com.

Donohue said the comments about Gibson and his movie at ADL's panel discussion are what you would "expect from people in an asylum." Donohue, who has seen the movie, noted that none of the three panelists featured at the ADL meeting on Thursday had yet to see the film.

Conservative media critic Michael Medved also lambasted Foxman for his comments about Gibson.

"The Passion of Christ," set to open on Feb. 25, 2004,
depicts the final 12 hours of Christ's life in bloody
detail. The $25 million movie, produced by Gibson's Icon Productions and distributed by Newmarket Films, strives to achieve authenticity by featuring only Latin and Aramaic dialogue with English subtitles. "The Passion of Christ" stars actor James Caviezel as Christ and actress Monica Bellucci as Mary Magdalene.

Editor's Note: Mel Gibson talks to NewsMax about his new film "Passion". Find out some startling revelations
Click Here Now:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/11/5/174814.shtml

Enjoy!!!!
Hog
usahog Offline
#25 Posted:
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Well Put Doc!!!!

Hog
Sylance Offline
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Okay, I know I should hit the ignore button, but I can’t on this one. Jdrabinski, I’ve asked you to enlighten us, and you reply with a pathetic “do a google search.” I guess you didn't have the time or energy to answer... or do you not have an answer?

I guess I shouldn’t have expected a straight answer from you, but I did do as you asked and this is what I found.
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Resources as stated by:
http://www.crosswalk.com/fun/movies/1195712.html

“Together with his Icon partners/producers Bruce Davey and Steve McEveety, the team began the enormous task of bringing Gibson's 10-year "labor of love" to reality. Gibson wrote his script with Ben Fitzgerald ("Wise Blood") using scripture taken directly from the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, or as Gibson likes to refer to them, "four obscure writers." He also used research from an old book in his library, "The Dolorous Passion," by Anne Catherine Emmerich. It was a book he never knew he had until he reached for another book, and it literally fell into his hands. After years of writing, reworking the script and waiting for the right timing, Gibson was ready to make his ode to Christ.”
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Now, I’m pretty sure that if you want to make a movie about Jesus Christ, the Bible is a pretty good resource… but what about this Anne Catherine Emmerich book?
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Book review as stated by Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0895552108/qid=1068269793/sr=8-4/ref=sr_8_4/102-3858896-9516965?v=glance&n=507846

“Faithful to the Bible story of the Passion and death of Jesus, it fills in many details and is edifying and inspiring beyond belief; plus, it is surprising and heart-rending. It will melt a heart of stone. This book is the best on the Passion we have seen. It is also wonderful on the Blessed Mother's role in our redemption. Includes a short biography of Sr. Emmerich. A great, great book for the whole family!”
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tailgater Offline
#27 Posted:
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Professor,
You're making the claim that Mel Gibson is an Anti-Semite, or at least thrusts anti semetic views on others?
Do you realize what his major profession is?
Would an anti-semite really make it in Hollywood?

usahog Offline
#28 Posted:
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Lance also check out the links I posted here above...

You Actually answered your own question though.. trying to figure out a lead from jd is impossible... but you knew that already...

Hog
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The allegation that the Jews killed Jesus, a severe distortion of events and hateful allegation, has lead to unspeakable suffering and brutalization of Jews throughout history. This film, by all accounts, gives a vicious caricature of Jews in just this same light, that they killed Jesus. Again, this is a disgusting allegation with a disgusting history. Gibson is reiterating it. Sorry if you love him or the idea of a Jesus film, but this is a serious problem.

I know he has a right to...etc. etc. But he doesn't have a right to be free of criticism.

All the hemming and hawing about the Reagan miniseries, but a film coming out that reiterates a hateful historical slander against the Jews and y'all are silent? Or ignore it? Please.

What is so amusing to me on this BBS is this phenomenon: I say something, all the wackos immediately jump to a google.com defense of the opposite. Hilarious. Like sheep.

This film is anti-semitic. I trust those who have said so. And it is a sad commentary on so many that they can ignore anti-semitism just to see a representation of their savior, some actor in red paint reading lines and pretending to suffer...sounds like idolatry, frankly.
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#30 Posted:
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The butler did it. Hope I didn't ruin it for anyone.
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Jewish Leader Says Mel Gibson 'Infected' With Anti-Semitism
By Marc Morano
CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
November 07, 2003

New York (CNSNews.com) - A prominent Jewish leader declared that movie actor and director Mel Gibson was "seriously infected" with anti-Semitic views, based on recent comments the Hollywood star has made regarding his upcoming movie, The Passion of Christ.

Abraham Foxman, the national director of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) said of Gibson, "I think he's infected -- seriously infected -- with some very, very serious anti-Semitic views."

Foxman made the remarks at a panel discussion titled "Mel Gibson's The Passion: A Conversation on Its Implications for Jews and Christians." The discussion took place during the 90th annual national meeting of the ADL in New York City on Thursday.

In an interview with CNSNews.com following the panel discussion, Foxman reiterated his comments about Gibson.

"[Gibson's] got classical anti-Semitic views. If he can say that there is a cabal out there of secular liberal Jews who are trying to blame the Holocaust on the Catholic Church, that's a classic anti-Semitic canard -- that Jews operate in cabals to get their way.

"If he can say that somebody will not permit him to make another move -- who? Jewish Hollywood? The ADL? When he can say that he now understands how Jesus felt now -- not before he made the film, not because the gospel inspired him, but now -- because he has been criticized and attacked. That's anti-Semitism," Foxman told CNSNews.com.

But William Donohue, president of the conservative Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights repudiated Foxman's comments about Gibson being "infected" with anti-Semitic views.

"I would regard this as the most singular irresponsible statement we have heard yet from any one of Mel Gibson's critics," Donohue told CNSNews.com.

Donohue said the comments about Gibson and his movie at the ADL panel discussion are what you would "expect from people in an asylum." Donohue, who has seen the movie, noted that none of the three panelists featured at the ADL meeting on Thursday had yet to see the film.

Conservative media critic Michael Medved also lambasted Foxman for his comments about Gibson.

"I respect the ADL, but what [Foxman] is doing is marginalizing himself," Medved told CNSNews.com. Medved, the author of the book Hollywood vs. America and a nationally syndicated radio talk show host, said it's "ridiculous" to say that Gibson holds anti-Semitic views.

"I think it's very sad, I really do. Sad and unnecessary," Medved, an orthodox Jew, said of Foxman's comments.

Foxman did attempt to qualify his assertion regarding Gibson's views towards Jews. "I don't think [Gibson's] the type of person who gets up in the morning and says 'I want to get the Jews.' But does he have attitudes that are anti-Semitic? Yes," Foxman said.

The Passion of Christ, set to open on February 25, 2004, depicts the final 12 hours of Christ's life in bloody detail. The $25-million movie, produced by Gibson's Icon Productions and distributed by Newmarket Films, strives to achieve authenticity by featuring only Latin and Aramaic dialogue with English subtitles. The Passion of Christstars actor James Caviezel as Christ and actress Monica Bellucci as Mary Magdalene.

During the panel discussion, Foxman warned of the danger that Passion plays about the crucifixion of Christ have historically posed to Jews, because they frequently reinforce the notion of collective Jewish guilt for the death of Jesus. Foxman cited Nazi leader Adolf Hitler's praise of a Passion play from the 1930s to illustrate his point.

"When Hitler walked out [of a Passion play] in 1934, he declared that 'the whole world over should see...this Passion play, then they will understand why I despise the Jews and why they deserve to die,'" Foxman told the crowd of about 400 attendees.

Even discussing the crucifixion of Christ in Church services has had a deleterious effect on Jews worldwide, according to Foxman. Foxman claimed that "hate crimes [against Jews] go up Easter week worldwide" because in many Christian churches, "the sermon is given about the passion (the suffering of Christ)."

Foxman noted that the reforms of the Second Vatican Council, which Gibson reportedly opposes, responded to centuries of anti-Semitic interpretations of Christ's crucifixion by issuing a document in 1965 called Nostra Aetate. That document officially repudiated anti-Semitism and the deicide charge. The church also issued guidelines in the 1980s for performing Passion plays designed to avoid anti-Semitic caricatures and overtones, according to Foxman.

Foxman vowed that he will not give up his public criticism of the Gibson's film.

"After [the] Holocaust, I don't have the luxury to keep quiet about concerns about" anti-Semitism, Foxman told reporters following the panel discussion.

Asked why many prominent Jews in Hollywood have not joined him in criticizing Gibson, Foxman responded, "It's sad, but that's the way it is."

"It is a club, like any other club of doctors or lawyers. So you have a club of Hollywood people, who are not willing to criticize and stand aside from that club," he told reporters.

'Not something I would say'

Sister Mary C. Boys, a liberal Catholic nun and a professor of Judeo-Christian Studies at New York's Union Theological Seminary, said based on what she has seen and heard, the movie "certainly goes 100 degrees against Catholic principles of interpretation of scripture." Boys was among an ad hoc group of scholars who produced a harsh public critique of an early script version of Gibson's film last spring.

But Boys distanced herself from Foxman's declaration that Gibson was "seriously infected" with anti-Semitic views.

"That's [Foxman's] view, it's not something that I would say," Boise told CNSNews.com.

"I have never called [Gibson] an anti-Semite nor have I ever demonized him," she added.

Boys mocked Gibson's reported comment that the "Holy Spirit" guided him during the production of the film.

Boys noted that the movie is already "dividing evangelicals and Catholics -- Catholics and Catholics, and Christians and Jews."

"I don't believe that [given the divisive] result that he could claim that the Holy Sprit is behind this," Boys said.

Boys summed up her concerns about the film, stating, "Our concern is what happens after people see the film? Will anti-Semitic actions happen or will attitudes against the Jews be exacerbated by this film? That is the question."

Steve Lyons, an ADL member from California who watched the panel discussion, said that Gibson might very well be an anti-Semite.

"From what I have read, it appears that way," Lyons told CNSNews.com .

'Toxic tradition

Another panelist, Paula Fredriksen, a professor of Theology at Boston University and also one of the ad hoc scholars who harshly criticized the film last spring, believes Gibson's production will prove to be "an inflammatory movie."

Fredriksen said the movie continues the "toxic tradition of blaming the Jews for the death of Jesus."

"A movie like this could very possibly elicit violence against Jews," Fredriksen added.

But William Donohue of the Catholic League ridiculed Fredriksen's warning that Gibson's film may incite violence, andhe noted that there have been no reported incidences of violence associated with the recent release of the slasher film, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

"We are supposed to believe that Mel Gibson's movie will do what the evenThe Texas Chainsaw Massacre did not do, which is bring violence into the streets?" Donohue asked.

Kenneth Jacobson, the associate national director of the ADL, said the solution to ending the film controversy is for Gibson to alter the film and present the story "in a way that could be pleasing to Christians and not offend Jews."

Medved, who has seen the film said, "Mel Gibson is obviously uninterested in Foxman's input on the film and the movie will come out, win critical praise and become a box office hit in spite of any ADL fulminations."

Medved said the ADL's criticisms of Gibson's film are not helping Jews.

"My concern is that the campaign against The Passion is provoking far more anti-Semitism than the movie itself ever could," Medved said.

"It's a battle, frankly that the Jewish community doesn't need," he added.

'Verbal hate crime'

Jennifer Giroux, the foundation director of the group Women Influencing the Nation (W.I.N.) called the Foxman's statement that Gibson was "infected" with anti-Semitic views a "verbal hate crime."

Giroux, who founded the See the Passion website, called the ADL panel's rhetoric "intellectually reckless and irresponsible."

"I think [Foxman] has now defined what a verbal hate crime is, because he just committed it against Mel Gibson [on Thursday]" Giroux told CNSNews.com.

Several efforts to contact Gibson's Icon Production seeking reaction to the ADL's panel discussion were not returned, but Gibson has repudiated any suggestion that he or his movie promotes anti-Semitism.

On June 13, Gibson said in a statement published in the entertainment trade paper Variety, " The Passion is a movie meant to inspire, not offend."

"My intention in bringing it to the screen is to create a lasting work of art and engender serious thought among audiences of diverse faith backgrounds," Gibson stated.

"If the intense scrutiny during my 25 years in public life revealed I had ever persecuted or discriminated against anyone based on race or creed, I would be all too willing to make amends. But there is no such record," Gibson added.

See Earlier Article:
Mel Gibson's Film About Christ Still Stirring Passions ( June 17, 2003)

Listen to audio for this story.

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usahog Offline
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"The allegation that the Jews killed Jesus, a severe distortion of events and hateful allegation, has lead to unspeakable suffering and brutalization of Jews throughout history. This film, by all accounts, gives a vicious caricature of Jews in just this same light, that they killed Jesus. Again, this is a disgusting allegation with a disgusting history. Gibson is reiterating it. Sorry if you love him or the idea of a Jesus film, but this is a serious problem."

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Charlie Offline
#33 Posted:
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I will not get into this discussion!

My favorite Gibson movie is "Payback"...hubba, hubba, hubba!

Charlie
eleltea Offline
#34 Posted:
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I'm with Charlie. Lucy Liu. Hubba hubba hubba.
dbguru Offline
#35 Posted:
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Wow what a thread......I thought the #1 Best Seller was a Hemmingway with a Cameroon Wrapper. (maybe that's what I'll smoke tonight)

My 2 cents. Used to love Gibson. A very passionate actor with a sense of dramatic action. But now I see this passion is going way in the worng direction. How can he not be anti-semetic with the kind of efforts and expense he is pouting into such a hateful message. A year ago I would never miss a Gibson film. Now I'll never see one of his films again. My 2 cents....
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#36 Posted:
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I haven't seen the film, but have read numerous critical reviews. Reviews are like posteriors; everyone has one. Until I see the film, I reserve judgment on the film, itself.

Mel Gibson, as many of you know, was raised as an American ex-patriot. His father abandoned the U.S. to raise his family in Australia. The senior Gibson has publically published and preached that the Holocaust never existed. He is a noted revisionist and virulent anti-semite. Both Gibsons belong to a breakway sect of the Catholic church and have been repudiated repeatedly by mainstream Catholic clergy.

Early in the creation of the script, Mel Gibson was quite clear that the film was to be an homage to his father.

But the film will have to stand on its own two feet. If it's well done, people will attend. If it's a stinker, Mel and his backers will take a 25 million dollar bath.

Incidently, the subtitles were added substantially after the film was made. Gibson originally intended for the film to be totally in Amharic, but later learned that the early Romans didn't speak it.
Cigarick Offline
#37 Posted:
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> Good thing we have noted historian, philosopher, and theologian Mel Gibson working on the project! LOL!

Uh... he's an actor/director? He made a movie, not a documentary.

> Maybe his dad can help get things right, maybe between denying the Holocaust ever happened.

Blaming the son for the father--that's logical.

> I get the feeling I'm the only one who has read up on this film.

All you'v been doing is reading other people's opinions--not quite the same as seeing it for yourself, is it?

> It's a pretty widely written up storyline.

See above.

> The allegation that the Jews killed Jesus, a severe distortion of events...

The Wholly Bable is there for anyone to read, and anybody who's read it knows what it says on the subject.

> This film, by all accounts...

Second-hand opinion, again.
HockeyDad Offline
#38 Posted:
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***Threadjack

Quotes from JDRABINSKI

"Do a google.com search on Mel Gibson and anti-semitism. It's a pretty widely written up storyline. Be sure to read the sources Mel used for the film."

"What is so amusing to me on this BBS is this phenomenon: I say something, all the wackos immediately jump to a google.com defense of the opposite. Hilarious. Like sheep."


John,

You asked them to do a google.com search and then complain because they did a google.com search just like you asked. Make up your mind. Perhaps you should have issued a more clear directive like "Do a google.com search and continue doing so until you agree 100% with me."

Have you ever considered the possibility that some people may just not agree with you and that just because they do not agree they are not automatically a wacko, a blind follower of George W Bush, or a racist? There could be an outside chance that you may not be right on all issues all the time or perhaps you just get stuck on rhetoric instead of substance and rhetoric doesn't particularly sway anyone's opinions.

***End Threadjack
donutboy2000 Offline
#39 Posted:
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I had no idea jdrabinski was a supporter of Jews and the state of Israel. Shalom, John.
Cigarick Offline
#40 Posted:
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He hides it so well.
tailgater Offline
#41 Posted:
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I'd like to know how portraying facts as written in the Bible, about a uniquely Biblical subject matter, is considered innacurate.

Also, I'd like to see the facts supporting the belief that the Jews did not offer up Jesus for crucifiction.

Whether you believe that Jesus was/is the son of God or not, his life's story is contained in the Bible.

How people through the years have chosen to interpret and misuse these undeniable facts is not the fault of the source.
Don't confuse the two.
jdrabinski Offline
#42 Posted:
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The Pope rescinded the charge of deicide against the Jews. He seems to know the Bible pretty well.
tailgater Offline
#43 Posted:
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Yes, in the mid 1960's the Pope did just that.
It was an extremely proactive position by the Vatican.

But that doesn't change the historical facts, just the resultant "blame factor", which was blatantly misused and abused.

So how could the movie be written?
Perhaps Jesus shouldn't die on the cross. Would that make the critics happy?
Perhaps the Jews could cry for him to be released, only to have the Romans thwart their efforts.

It's obvious that you all too often take a strong stance against a popular board subject, without even knowing WHY you're against it.



JonR Offline
#44 Posted:
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Yo: Youse guys are missing the point. Controversy breeds alot of things, in this case ( Hollywoods' )it breeds money. My interpretation is this, it wasn't the Jewish race per say that gave up Christ it was the Jewish money lenders ( Jesus was bad for business ). However it was the Roman government that sentenced Christ to death and carried out the execution. So in summing up I would say the decendents of Rome should be the ones to carry that burden. However in reality I really do not want to be involved with this subject so I'll just wash my hands of it. JonR
jdrabinski Offline
#45 Posted:
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Tailgater, of all the misinformed and nutjob posters, you pick ME to say I don't know why I have a position? Wrong, brother, I know exactly why.

Some crazy **** has been said here. And now I see why we must be vigilant about anti-semitism. People posting here obviously still believe this myth that the Jews killed Jesus, unaware (I think) of the persecution that has resulted from this. Or perhaps they think that persecution is well-deserved? Frightening, but the politics of this board are outright scary.

'Carry the burden.' I know you mean well by your post JonR, but that kind of thing is the basis of the persecution of Jews for two millenia. We'd do well to rid ourselves of it. But I suspect most posters here are anti-semitic, even if they have to go look up the phrase in the dictionary.

'Accuracy' is a funny thing. Why show the Jews cheering and relishing in Jesus' death? Put in the context of recent anti-semitic attacks across Europe and Russia, as well as the crazy **** posted here, and you see how hateful and dangerous that kind of thing is. Why would Mel care? He's not Jewish.

But...er...Jesus is...oops! You all will have some reckoning to do if your religious mythology happens to be right, reconciling your acceptance of anti-semitic stuff with the fact that your savior is Jewish. I don't envy you!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#46 Posted:
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Once again...why do you care?

YOU of all people are going to defend people that believe in God?

A Philosophy teacher that has gone out of his way to discredit God as "Santa worship", but now you've "seen the light"? Please enlighten us to the catharsis that took place in your personal belief structure?

I'm betting that it's a bunch of hogwash that you want to go out on some bender about because you're not the Alpha dog, if anything you're someone that is pitied.
jdrabinski Offline
#47 Posted:
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One needn't be religious to be concerned with the persecution of and violence toward a group.

Never said religion was Santa worship. Them's youze words, Mr. Vibrator.

I am rather surprised, however, that you've again turned to a personal attack against me??? How utterly out of vibrational character for you. My advice: stock up on AA batteries so you don't get so frustrated.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#48 Posted:
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My advice to you would be to keep your feet planted in reality!

Have you ever noticed that you're ALWAYS on the lunatic fringe? You've got to be a walking contradiction and convoluted inside, an actual breathing paradox. One one hand you berate and on the other want to seem almost likeable in a abused syndrome kinda way. There is absolutely no credible way that a person with your background and your past responses can stand up for organized religion...as far as the Santa...yeah you paraphrased it. Go ahead and look it up, "professor".

You're gonna get banned if you keep name calling. There's a new "sherrif" in town...her name is Trish.
eleltea Offline
#49 Posted:
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How can you have a rational discussion with someone who assumes that if you disagree with him you are a bigot or antisemite? I am not even going to look at this thread anymore, because I would probably like dbrinski in real life and I can barely stand him in this one. you guys carry on without me.
SteveS Offline
#50 Posted:
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What eleltea said ...
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