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Sylance Offline
#51 Posted:
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eleltea,

Nicely said. I started this thread to talk about the movie and maybe even chat with some God loving people. That’s why I made it a point to say in the original post, “If this isn't your thing, ignore this.”

However, some people hate (God loving) religion so much they couldn’t ignore this. jdrabinski is totally entitled to his beliefs, in fact I normally enjoy debating people about this very subject. However, in this case all I wanted was to discuss the life and death of Jesus and it degraded into this.

To all of you who defended the movie so you could make you own judgment when you see it, thank you. Jdrabinski, I know you're intelligent and you believe we are just miss-guided sheep who follow a false God. But let me ask you something… and this is a rhetorical question, I don’t expect or want your answer.

“What have you gained by denying God?”

Or better yet, “What has the world gained by you denying God? How is the world a better with your beliefs?”
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#52 Posted:
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Sylance, I haven't said a thing about belief or non-belief. My points have been about the historical persecution of Jews because of the charge of deicide. This film perpetuates this myth about the Jews, and so encourages anti-semitism. Those who have looked into Gibson's past see that this is no oversight or mistake on his part; it jibes with his personal history.

That's what I've addressed. Other folks want to bring my personal beliefs into the equation instead of address the hard issues raised by this kind of film. That is to be expected. It is always personal in response to my posts, then I get blamed for making things personal. High comedy, this turn of events...so consistent.

I would love to see a debate here about the Christian meaning of idolatry. The relation some seem to have about this film--especially the fascination with and love of gore--raises some interesting issues about Americans and their relation to their religion. What better way to merge Americans' love of Christianity and gory violence than this film!
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#53 Posted:
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Just out of curiousity...did you stand outside and picket films like "Driving Miss Daisy" or "New Jack City"? Were you as outspoken about those films?

You're hung up on the Jewish people for some reason. It could've been any race. It could've been perpatrated by barnyard animals too! It was going to happen. It had to happen. Jesus had to die in order to show us God's love and eternal life. There are other books that back up Jesus's life besides the Bible. Jocephus a noted historian has worte chapters on Jesus.

Like the Newsmax article I posted...Mel Gibson's own claim that if he's offended anyone religiously in his 25 years of acting let the allegations come forward. No headlines on that. Instead you nitpick about his father! I love my dad, but I know he's done things in his life that I find offensive. If anything I've used them as a a vehicle on how NOT to conduct my life and not to repeat the same mistakes. I'm sure you'll not admit anything like that though! To hold him responsible for Mel's film, which YOU haven't seen, nor will you is the biggest travesty imaginable. You THINK that this will make people run into the streets burning synagoges? Until you've actually seen the film or script I don't know how you can base ANY opinion on it!

Faith in God is not to be taken lightly. You would be better served if you had a mustard seed of faith.
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How do we all feel about films by Spike Lee?

Rewritten Historical "facts" by Olivar Stone?

The CBS soon to be shown on Showtime farce about Reagan?

Just some thoughts...............hmmmmmmmmmm

Charlie
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#55 Posted:
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Oliver Stone...hack job. Platoon showed us why, but the rest of his films are just plain hatchet jobs. The Doors?!
Nixon?
JFK?
Born on the 4th of July?
Natural Born Killers?

I could do without his brand of film-making. He lost me after The Doors as far as buying a ticket. The others I saw on HBO/Cinemax, I was paying a monthly bill already.

Spike Lee, makes a decent film, but leaves you wanting more. I would expect him to mature, but the plots all leave big holes in character development. "She's Gotta Have It" is probably the best one. I wish he made more films.

As far as the Reagan...I'll pass. It was historically inaccurate. Several family members and close associates have gone on the record and said that this was nothing more than a hack job. CBS wasn't going to show it because it was "biased"! Why even bother showing this at all!? While I'm not opposed to a differing opinion, at least be historically accurate and leave personal opinion or grudges out of the script!
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#56 Posted:
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John,
You still haven't addressed the issue.

You know WHY the Pope dismissed the charge of deicide. It was because the Jewish peoples were being persecuted unjustly. And people used the Bible as "justification" even though there is no call to arms against the Jews.

But regardless of the new enlightened world, it doesn't change the FACTS of what happened. Jesus' own people DID call for his crucifiction at the hands of Rome. There is no evidence to suggest otherwise.

So I again ask:
How would you show the events of 2000 years ago?
Sylance Offline
#57 Posted:
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Bump...

Waiting for jdrabinski's reply.
usahog Offline
#58 Posted:
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Don't hold your Breath Sly... LMAO!!!!

Hog
Sylance Offline
#59 Posted:
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Bump....

Still waiting for jdrabinski's reply.
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What am I supposed to be replying to? The repeated insults? I consider it an honor to be insulted by many of the folks here. If they liked me, I'd feel fairly uncomfortable.

Sorry I didn't give an immediate reply, master. Some of us work and have busy lives.
Sylance Offline
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Is this your way of not answering the question?
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Restate the question and I'll answer it so folks here can pounce on whatever I say. I honestly haven't a clue what this 'profound' question is, in your mind. And why do you want me to answer it? Because you value my input? Or because you think it is an unanswerable question? Be honest.
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jdrabinski,


So far I totally disagree with everything I’ve ever read from you on this board, but that doesn’t mean I don’t want to hear your answers. From my understanding, this is how a debate happens. One party states something, the other party counters. We are waiting for your answer. This “unanswerable” question was a few posts back

Quote from tailgater:

“So I again ask:
How would you show the events of 2000 years ago?”
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This question I believe stems from a post from you:
“People posting here obviously still believe this myth that the Jews killed Jesus, unaware (I think) of the persecution that has resulted from this. Or perhaps they think that persecution is well-deserved? Frightening, but the politics of this board are outright scary”
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To paraphrase tailgater’s question. If you were to make a movie about the life and death of Jesus, what story would you tell?

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I would not reinvent and retell the hateful myths that have led to the persecution of Jews for centuries.

The fact that so many on this thread seem to think the Jews kill Jesus tells me that, perhaps unbeknownst to them, they were raised in churches with anti-semitic doctrines.

I trust the Anti-Defamation League on this one. I find it frightening how little concern people here have for anti-semitism. Very instructive about how people accept this form of racism, I guess.
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I don’t know if that answered the question. You told me how you wouldn't film it, but not how you would.

And, I don’t want to speak for everyone on this board, but I don’t think anyone here believes the Jewish race is responsible for Jesus’ death. Besides, it was Jesus’ death that saved your and my soul. Is that such a bad story to tell?
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Do you expect me to produce a script? Or outline a screenplay? Give me a break. As I suspected, you didn't want an answer.

There have been countless films made about Jesus, few of them playing on the hateful image of Jews.

If you think folks here don't think that about the Jews and Jesus, reread the thread. Pay attention to the eeiry 'it is written in the book' type of stuff. What do you think they are alluding to? You know it, but you won't say it because then you'd have to agree with me. But it's right here on this page.
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Seems like we took a nasty turn.

John is under the impression that to be Christian you are therefore an anti semite.

I don't see the corrolation.
Jesus was Jewish. His own people (the Jews) offered him up to the powers of Rome for crucifiction. I don't see how that is a hateful representation, and it certainly isn't malicious as you imply.

The persecution of Jews has been a heinous crime against humanity. Nobody here denies that, yet you claim we're anti semitic.

And although the Bible is perhaps the major source of reference to show the Jews did send Jesus to his death at the hands of Rome, it also never asks for retaliation of any sort.
In fact, it clearly points out that the crucifiction of Jesus was essential to the focal point of Christianity; namely that Jesus died FOR US.

How and why you choose to use the life of this greatest of men as a battlecry for anti-ANYTHING is beyond me.
You sit there and point fingers and make accusations that are simply untrue.
You call us anti-semites for wanting to see a movie about Jesus.
You've called us racist for criticizing affirmative action.
You've called us sheep for believing in a conservative agenda.
And all the while you assume the fetal position and play victim when somebody calls you to task.
What the hell is wrong with you?

I realize the odds are not in your favor on this board, but it's no fun playing with someone who can "dish it out but can't take it".
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I think John Boy was an Only Child?? and he has spoils beyond repair... therefore he likes to lash out at the many's on the board for any reason he can come up with... in best interest he needs to stay away from the Bottle...

Hog
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DrMaddVibe

it's all spoken in anient sandscript, with subtitles in spanish, chinese and ancient essene.

i understand mel is very dogmatic about his interpetation of events (remember he wasn't there).

since i have no personal ax to grind about religeon other then it's determental effect on the social order of our (homo sapien) history. i look forward to either being entertained or not.

same interest in "the regans"

i'd like to add, so i will, prejudging any of these "controversial" bits of theater, shows a complete lack of intellect (that means you are a dumb ass) and an unfortunate lack of personal trust in one's own personal ability to make judgements for oneself. (that means, you have no balls and should not be allowed to reproduce and extend your weak link into the collective gene pool.

if you can't trust your own judgement i would suggest the tv guide to important viewing.
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usahog

does it matter more about dennis miller being thrown off mon nite football or rush quitting or being thrown off the espn talk show.

don't they still have the mouth that speaks and speaks and speaks until i remember the mute. joe thiesman.
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tailgater

how much does it cost to see mel's dad.

and what does he do when you see him?

i like most of gibson's work s an actor. i believe he acted as a tacher whose face was disfigured because of a fire. he dis a great job acting as a person whose face was disfigured. but i believe he was acting.

a little research about his father turns up my kind of man. a little on the edge. ufo's cool.

but i believe he has stated that there was no holocaust. some sort of conspiracy between hitler and the jews to fight the arabs. so i am waiting for word from a few of my relatives to find out where they have been.
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Todog

why don't you pretend everything you disagree with doesn't exist.
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Sylance

"Oh, please enlighten us."

did you want an answer, or did you just want to show us how to ask a question as a smart ass child?
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Sylance

old chinese general "sun tsu"

SUN TZU ON THE ART OF WAR
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eleltea

"There is another that the people of the book best be wary of." info please to

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DrMaddVibe

i go away for one lousy week and you guys are picking on someone else.

one does not attain prickdom overnight, and i resent being demoted.

incidentally, i spoke to the big guy when i was dead and you are ok in his book. he sent me back for other reasons, but you don't need to know them.
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Charlie

always good to see your name around. i allways miss our litle to do's like

"Showtime farce" about the regeans.

hMMMMMMM or is that
HHHHHHHHmmmmmmmmmj
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DrMaddVibe

It was historically inaccurate. Several family members and close associates have gone on the record and said that this was nothing more than a hack job.

document your sources.
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Sylance


"Jesus’ death that saved your and my soul" says who. prove it. document. who said you have a soul. if you do, what is it and what is it saved from by the death of some poor bugger 2000 + years ago. something about his father killing him by hanging him on a 2 x 4 to suffer for several days so "your soul" can be "saved"

why? of what more importance is your "soul" than the guy who ostensively died saving yours.
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i did it. it is all my fault. i am the anti everything including "antifreeze"

if you refuse to tithe me, starting next week or maybe after thanksgiving, i'll see how i feel.

and forget that 10% crap, i can do better at wal-mart's. i am looking for minimum 10% below wholesale or without an invoice, minimum 35% off msrp and yoyu eat the shipping charges and setup fees.

the flu is all i need. a strong wind doesn't hurt either.


step up to the plate, or sit down and shut up.

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#81 Posted:
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Cigarick

"He hides it so well."

cute, at least donutboy200 had the balls to speak his mind
DrMaddVibe Offline
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"DrMaddVibe: It was historically inaccurate. Several family members and close associates have gone on the record and said that this was nothing more than a hack job.

document your sources."

If it were for anyone else but you, I would've stated that I already did! But I don't want you busting a stitch or two, sooooo.....

From Patti: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,536971,00.html

From Michael: http://www.chronwatch.com/featured/contentDisplay.asp?aid=4853&mode=print

From Left field: http://www.anotherperspective.org/advoc326.html

Note the date...: http://www.drudgereport.com/flash6.htm

Out of Moonves own mouth!: http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/local/state/hc-06014306.apds.m0020.bc-ct--cbs-nov06,0,657546.story?coll=hc-headlines-local-wire

Read #4 & 6!: http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalerts/2003/cyb20031103.asp#4


That should get your bowels rumbling! PS: Welcome back! Both kids want to know what "Unka Rick" is getting them for Christmas!
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please

names
ages
interests (i don't send kids guns or war games.

fill me in please

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#84 Posted:
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How and why you choose to use the life of this greatest of men as a battlecry for anti-ANYTHING is beyond me.

...He was a great guy, pretty much impossible to dispute, but only 'the greatest' to Christians. Remember that. And I am not using him at all. Mel Gibson is using him. Did you ever think of that? Mel, after all, plans to make the big bucks with this one. Who is using Jesus? Be fair when you throw stones.

You sit there and point fingers and make accusations that are simply untrue.

...what have I said that is not untrue, or at least not being argued as true? No false accusations here in this thread. Maybe ones that you don't like or that make you uncomfortable...but untrue? Nope. At most, I make debatable points. And we're debating.

You call us anti-semites for wanting to see a movie about Jesus.

...again, a baseless claim. I said the film is anti-semitic. Then I questioned people about being so tolerant of anti-semitism. That is not the same as saying that you are an anti-semite.

You've called us racist for criticizing affirmative action.

...that s a lie. I never said that. In fact, I stayed OUT of the aff-action debate!

You've called us sheep for believing in a conservative agenda.

...no, but I do think that there are sheep on this board that attack whatever I post, no matter what, without thinking about it. My personal opinion.

And all the while you assume the fetal position and play victim when somebody calls you to task.

...what are you talking about? The only time I 'played victim' was **** with Mike, where I actually was a victim of something. Again, this is some myth you have that doesn't square with the facts.

What the hell is wrong with you?

...what the hell is wrong with YOU? You can't stand the fact that I hold my ground and argue my point. What do you expect? You continually make claims (on the watch-list thread, for example) that are either demonstrably false or without justification. When I say this, you give me your own experience, as if the world goes to college with Tailgater. What the hell is wrong with you? Are you unable to think outside your own experience? See, two can play this game of ridicule.

I realize the odds are not in your favor on this board, but it's no fun playing with someone who can "dish it out but can't take it".

...what are you talking about? I keep coming back. I think you have some sort of stereotype about liberals and I am not fitting it. No whining here. When I post, a half-dozen or more rightwing minions bash my posts. High comedy. But you need to show me where I 'can't take it.' That is a baseless claim and you know it. I think YOU can't take that I continue to make points that are both true and contrary to your ideological position on this board. And you might just have to change your mind or concede that you don't know some things that you claim to know.

My 2cents.
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#85 Posted:
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This is more of a reason why the ex-professor(who was taught by a Jesuit even!)doesn't like this film and is going above the call of duty to throw whatever he can fling that'll stick on the wall! The last 3 paragraphs! It's amazing how you refute what you were taught. You choose to prop yourself to a higher position than what you have the authority to do.


"How ironic that when a movie producer takes artistic license with historical events, he is lionized as artistic, creative and brilliant, but when another takes special care to be true to the real-life story, he is vilified.

Actor-producer Mel Gibson is discovering these truths the hard way as he is having difficulty finding a United States studio or distributor for his upcoming film, "The Passion," which depicts the last 12 hours of the life of Jesus Christ.

Gibson co-wrote the script and financed, directed and produced the movie. For the script, he and his co-author relied on the New Testament Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, as well as the diaries of St. Anne Catherine Emmerich (1774-1824) and Mary of Agreda's "The City of God."

Gibson doesn't want this to be like other sterilized religious epics. "I'm trying to access the story on a very personal level and trying to be very real about it." So committed to realistically portraying what many would consider the most important half-day in the history of the universe, Gibson even shot the film in the Aramaic language of the period.

In response to objections that viewers will not be able to understand that language, Gibson said, "Hopefully, I'll be able to transcend the
language barriers with my visual storytelling; if I fail, I fail, but at least it'll be a monumental failure."

To further insure the accuracy of the work, Gibson has enlisted the counsel of pastors and theologians, and has received rave reviews. Don Hodel, president of Focus on the Family, said, "I was very impressed. The
movie is historically and theologically accurate." Ted Haggard, pastor of New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colo., and president of the National Evangelical Association, glowed: "It conveys, more accurately than any other film, who Jesus was."

From Gibson's perspective, this movie is not about Mel Gibson. It's bigger than he is. "I'm not a preacher, and I'm not a pastor," he said. "But I really feel my career was leading me to make this. The Holy Ghost was
working through me on this film, and I was just directing traffic. I hope the film has the power to evangelize."

Even before the release of the movie, scheduled for March 2004, Gibson is getting his wish. "Everyone who worked on this movie was touched in some way. There were agnostics and Muslims on set converting to
Christianity...[and] people being healed of diseases."

Gibson wants people to understand through the movie, if they don't already, the incalculable influence Christ has had on the world. And he grasps that Christ is controversial precisely because of WHO HE IS - GOD incarnate. "And that's the point of my film really, to show all that turmoil around him politically and with religious leaders and the people, all because He is Who He is."

Gibson is beginning to experience first hand just how controversial Christ is. Critics have not only speciously challenged the movie's authenticity, but have charged that it is disparaging to Jews, which Gibson vehemently denies. "This is not a Christian vs. Jewish thing. '[Jesus] came into the world, and it knew him not.' Looking at Christ's crucifixion, I look
first at my own culpability in that."

Jesuit Father William J. Fulco, who translated the script into Aramaic and Latin, said he saw no hint of anti-Semitism in the movie. Fulco added, "I would be aghast at any suggestion that Mel Gibson is anti-Semitic." Nevertheless, certain groups and some in the mainstream press have been very critical of Gibson's "Passion." The New York Post's Andrea Peyser
chided him: "There is still time, Mel, to tell the truth." Boston Globe columnist James Carroll denounced Gibson's literal reading of the biblical accounts. "Even a faithful repetition of the Gospel stories of the death of Jesus can do damage exactly because those sacred texts themselves carry the virus of Jew hatred," wrote Carroll. A group of Jewish and Christian academics has issued an 18-page report slamming all aspects of the film, including its undue emphasis on Christ's passion rather than "a broader
vision." The report disapproves of the movie's treatment of Christ's passion as historical fact.

The moral is that if you want the popular culture to laud your work on Christ, make sure it either depicts Him as a homosexual or as an everyday sinner with no particular redeeming value (literally). In our anti-Christian culture, the blasphemous "The Last Temptation of Christ" is celebrated, and "The Passion" is condemned. But if this movie continues to affect people the way it is now, no amount of cultural opposition will suppress its force and its positive impact on lives everywhere.
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Quote from DrMaddVibe
“In our anti-Christian culture, the blasphemous "The Last Temptation of Christ" is celebrated, and "The Passion" is condemned.”

Wow, that’s a powerful statement and one that I believe is true.
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Quote from RICKAMAVEN

“prove it. document. who said you have a soul”

You know as well as I do that I can’t prove it. But do you ask your school teacher to prove water is made out of two hydrogen atoms, and one oxygen atom? There is something called faith.

A husband who loves his wife doesn’t question whether the child she’s carrying in her stomach is his. I don’t question God that I’m his child and that He loves me.
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Another Quote from RICKAMAVEN

“if you do, what is it and what is it saved from by the death of some poor bugger 2000 + years ago. something about his father killing him by hanging him on a 2 x 4 to suffer for several days so "your soul" can be "saved"

I’d love to give you what I know to be the answer to this question. But before I do that, do you really want to hear it? I’ve seen the luminous human soul and would love to give you my thoughts.
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Quote from jdrabinski

“Do you expect me to produce a script? Or outline a screenplay? Give me a break. As I suspected, you didn't want an answer.”

I’m not asking for a script, just your thoughts. I’m not trying to be an ass, but it seems you take it that I am. But I guess this is a moot point by now.

Let's settle on this. I’m not being sarcastic, but please give me the name of a movie you feel is about Jesus and didn’t have a hateful view of Jews. I’ll watch it if I haven’t already, and then we’ll compare it to Mel’s when he’s done. Then we can come back to this thread and discuss it further.


Todog Offline
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Hey Rick, I don't rcall disagreeing with anyone! Welcome back!
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I nominate this thread in the category of Most Hot Air Exhaled on the Internet, in a Cigar Related Forum.
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I move that ANY thread with YOU on it will most certinly contain hot air and rational retorts from others!
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TAILGATOR:

"Whether you believe that Jesus was/is the son of God or not, his life's story is contained in the Bible."

not really. the story is the interpetation of scholars, who like many other scholars had their own agenda.

try a little of this to see if it will enlighten you a little

http://www.grisda.org/origins/21005.htm
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tailgator
And although the Bible is perhaps the major source of reference to show the Jews did send Jesus to his death at the hands of Rome, it also never asks for retaliation of any sort. In fact, it clearly points out that the crucifiction of Jesus was essential to the focal point of Christianity; namely that Jesus died FOR US.

with your point as a premise, why use caps "for us".

and what do you mean that crist died for us. for what point, for what reason did your god allow "his only begotten son" to be slaughtered. to save who from what?



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Wow... this one is still going???
Sylance Offline
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Okay, this thread is now a dead horse... let's stop beating it. jdrabinski never answered my question, so I guess it’s time we all move on. I wanted to have a discussion with him, but it’s to friggen difficult when he never answers a question.
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Todog

well if you do, pick me, pick me.
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Sylance... he never does answer anyones questions.. so don't feel like your the only one in the Canoe....

Rick, please explain the Dead Sea Scrolls in your effort to divert the Bible and the life and death of Jesus Christ to Scholors interpretations of the Bible?

I also have the Hebrew version of the Concordence in refrencing the Bible terminology.. I find it interesting to cross refrence the wordages used...
the Bottom Line is there are millions of ways to Interpret what you want it to read.. but it all comes out the same when everything is said and done... "no explination needed"


Hog
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It always amazes me how those, here, who say they live their lives as devout Christians aggressively publically insult another human being. Talk about hypocracy!! Defend your faith in the appropriate forum and retain the humility of Christ. This is a cigar bulletin board.

At least thirty years ago, I saw the comedian, Lenny Bruce, in a Chicago nightclub. Lenny confessed. I recall his words, almost to the letter. "Enough with this who's responsible for killing Christ. I did it. I confess. Now get over it. He's dead and I did it."

Sylance wants God talk. Take the discussion to a Christian oriented religious based BBS. There are many to choose from. These are cigar folks, here. I hope there are Catholics, Jews, Protestants, Agnostics, Moslems, Buddhists, Taoists, Shintos, Hindi, Wiccan, Deists, etc. etc. here. I think we all have an equal right to a concept of the divinity.
usahog Offline
#97 Posted:
Joined: 12-06-1999
Posts: 22,691
SteveR.. this is a Misc Cigar BB Forum... and Sylance did want to discuss this Movie issue on here.. in free will he opened the discussion and in free will he was attacked on this subject and with free will if non of us want to take part in the discussion here we have the right to over look the issue.. but Yes I am a Christian.. and Yep I do over step my Bounds allot.. that is an Issue between God and myself... I am one Christian who is sick and tired of turning the other cheek only to catch a boot on the other side of my chin... if this discussion bothers you so much.. you have the free will to not join this discussion... JMHO!!!!

Hog
Steve*R Offline
#98 Posted:
Joined: 07-23-2001
Posts: 1,858
Hog: You gave validating testimony to my comments.

Your reply. If you don't like the discussion the way I do, leave. That, my friend, is not a Christian attitude.

Jesus would not have approved of smoking. As a religious leader, who preached the Old Testament admonition that the human body is God's vessel, Jesus would have likely taught that to smoke tobacco is to deny God's sovereignty. Yes, this is a miscellaneous board on a BBS sponsored by a seller of tobacco to cigar smokers.

Hog...you can't have it every way you want. It's the definition of hypocracy.
usahog Offline
#99 Posted:
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"Yes, this is a miscellaneous board on a BBS sponsored by a seller of tobacco to cigar smokers."

Yes and I am a Cigar Smoker.. and if you check your customer log sheets you will see I have paid in a great deal for the pleasure of Smoking Cigars and supporting the boards here.. so as I said before SteveR... the Misc forum is for discussion of just that.. Misc posts IE Mel Gibson's Movie.. IE Jesus, Mahomet, or anything else someone wants to discuss on here.. are you trying to emply to keep the Misc BB free of such topic??

and as I stated before.. God will deal with me when that time comes.. where is it your place to step in and pass judgement on me??

Hog
usahog Offline
#100 Posted:
Joined: 12-06-1999
Posts: 22,691
btw I did not say leave... I said ignor the discussion that is simple enough.. I have done it on numerious occasions...

Hog
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