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to punish or not to punish?
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jdrabinski Offline
#1 Posted: Sat, Nov 15 2003, 4:20 AM EST
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http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Central/11/14/iraq.soldier.mom.ap/index.html

i'm curious what folks think about this case--the woman who refused to go to iraq, and now will not be punished.
phenix007 Offline
#2 Posted: Sat, Nov 15 2003, 4:50 AM EST
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I think it would be in order to very quietly give her a slap on the back of the hand...stay out of the spotlite...then help her deal with the issue...hopefully the is a process in place to deal with this type of issue without commiting a serious violation...the military is certainly not going out of their way to punish her..
DrMaddVibe Offline
#3 Posted: Sat, Nov 15 2003, 4:57 AM EST
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I believe tha military erred in sending both parents into overseas duty. Unless it's a permanent duty assignment with spouse approval(like Germany or Australia)I've never seen where they'd hack up a family like that. I think that's why they're not punishing her for it. While its their job to destroy things and kill people, the military realizes that soldiers do have families. This could've been solved by utilizing her chain of command or chaplin to resolve what is perceived to be an act of desertion.
JonR Offline
#4 Posted: Sat, Nov 15 2003, 6:13 AM EST
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Yo jdr: Stick with your book learning, never being in the military you no nothing on how it functions. First of all she did not refuse to go to Iraq she refused to return to Iraq. Had she followed proper procedure she could have received emergency leave to be with her family. Another thing you know nothing of is the womans history with the army, was she a good soldier that follows procedure or one that doesn't. " ANY " military person absent from their duty station without permission is considered AWOL and better have a valid explanation. I'm almost positve the most this woman will receive is a reprimand for not following proper procedure. However I do question the military in placing both parents in harms way. JonR
xrundog Offline
#5 Posted: Sat, Nov 15 2003, 6:26 AM EST
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The Navy has a policy of having only ONE parent on Sea Duty. I imagine the Army has a similar policy. Someone probably screwed up. I'll bet they didn't expect to see her on CNN with her 6 kids!!
jdrabinski Offline
#6 Posted: Sat, Nov 15 2003, 7:11 AM EST
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JonR, you are ridiculous. I intentionally posted a thread without giving my take, as I wanted to see what people had to say without attacking me. But you managed, somehow, to attack me. Damn! Even my arch-nemesis DMV answered the question without addressing me! (Thanks, DMV)

OK, let me rephrase: who refused to 'return' to Iraq. By the way, 'return' and 'go' mean one and the same thing, only that 'return' in this case is more precise. Everybody else seemed to understand what I was asking.

I'm not sure what I think about this. That's why I asked.
Cigarick Offline
#7 Posted: Sat, Nov 15 2003, 7:28 AM EST
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Apprently she did follow procedure, requesting whatever special procedure might have allowed her to stay, but her commander in Iraq blocked it, so she bailed.

I don't think any parent with a minor child at home should be sent anywhere near combat.
xrundog Offline
#8 Posted: Sat, Nov 15 2003, 8:54 AM EST
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Wouldn't be many troops out there then.
xrundog Offline
#9 Posted: Sat, Nov 15 2003, 8:56 AM EST
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And apparently the issue is resolved. No discipliary action. Kudos to the Army. They got this one right!
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