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News release... Pat Tillman
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AZ-Ron Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Apr 28 2004, 6:11 AM EST
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Let me start by saying, I have the upmost respect for Pat Tillman and every soldier that has ever served for their country.

With that said,
Here in Az, consideration is being given to renaming ASU stadium to Pat Tillman Memorial stadium. I know he was player for ASU and they think very highly of him, but,
I believe, IMO, that this is a slap in the face to other war veterans who have died for their country.

They all deserve recognition and gratitude for their sacrafice. They should not be singled out for special praise. Why not call it Veterans stadium (I know there is one already but you know what I mean) or something along that line.

I believe when they do this, (same as renaming Squaw Peak to Piestewa Peak (sp)) they are inferring that the other soldiers that died mean less than these few.

My brother died in Viet-Nam and nothing was named after him. Don't get me wrong, I am not bitter because of that. I just feel that ...
one casualty of war should not be given more recognition than any other because of past accomplishments or because of what they passed up to serve their country. Any soldier that died in any war could have possibly been the next President of the U.S. or the person who came up with a cure for cancer. Just because we know what one person passed up does not mean they were or would have been any better than the person who would have collected trash for a living.

They have all paid the ultimate price as have their families.
I hope I have not offended anyone with my remarks, that, was not my intention.
Just my opinion.
AZ-Ron

428cj Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Apr 28 2004, 6:34 AM EST
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I know the left here think I'm WAY to emotional in my posts, but I wasn't offended. I agree with all that you said (in honoring ALL the troops of our fine military -except all the rapists Sonny has met (???)-, especially those who have fallen in action), and I can see the issue from both sides.
Tough call.
fritzthetiger Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, Apr 28 2004, 6:40 AM EST
Joined: 04-03-2004
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AZ-Ron:

I agree with you. As much respect as I have for Tilman and his convictions, there are too many vets out there w/o recognition. A generic name would be an excellent idea. I think it's the same for MLK Jr day. I believe a name like that can be very divisive, even though I respect what he did and the man as well. We are Americans and we need to choose names that reflect our beliefs and attitudes. After all They changes the name for the two greatest presidents in our country to Presidents' Day. (I don't have a problem with a president's name being used).

In the end it should be up to the populous and not a select group for days and I suppose that the stadium is a private ownership so they have the right to name it whatever they want(like it or not). That's the amazing thing of our great country!!

I sympathize with you.

Fritz
dbguru Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, Apr 28 2004, 8:01 AM EST
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Listen... The guy made a principaled choice to serve his country over playing football based on convictions that the fight against terrorism has higher value than earning 2-3 million dollars playing football. I respect his choice and deeply regret his death as I do the deaths of several hundred fellow servicemen.

It still makes me wonder very much about whether or not Pat Tillman would have paid the ultimate price if we not diverted resources from Afganistan to Iraq. Had we maintained our focus on the true terrorist threat in Afganistan and had committed the proper level of resources there, Mr. Tillmans efforts may have not have been under such high levels of risk. Thats my opinion.

Nevertheless he should be recognized in some very significant way. Perhaps an induction in the Pro Football Hall of Fame this year. Plus I'm sure the AZ Cardinals have plans.
Sonny_LSU Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, Apr 28 2004, 9:54 AM EST
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First, cj, bite me!

Second, if I'm not mistaken it is ASU's Stadium and college stadiums are, more often than not, named after former players, so it is right on that the stadium be named after one of it's most outstanding student/athletes. Why in the hell would they overlook Pat Tillman to name it for someone who wasn't even an alum?!?!?! If this was an issue of naming a municipal building, street, highway, or governmental landmark, then your arguement would be correct.

See, your arguement should be, "why name the stadium after Pat Tillman when Joe Blow of the 1967 Sun Devil team was a hero too?"

Guys, do remember. What made him so special was the fact that he thumbed up his nose at a $4mill+ contract (with insentives) to serve......how many others in that position have done the same. I'm not saying his life was worth more than others, it wasn't, but there is another side to this.
JonR Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, Apr 28 2004, 10:36 AM EST
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Yo dbguru:... "It still makes me wonder very much about whether or not Pat Tillman would have paid the ultimate price if we not diverted resources from Afganistan to Iraq. Had we maintained our focus on the true terrorist threat in Afganistan and had committed the proper level of resources there, Mr. Tillmans efforts may have not have been under such high levels of risk. Thats my opinion." Why is it you liberals insist upon walking on the backs of our Honorable Dead Warriors ? db if you knew anything about the military you would understand ALL war zones are at HIGH RISK no matter what the funding is ( and please show proof that funds were diverted to the Iraq war effort ). Oh of course with your military background the government most likely informs you of their every move. JonR

Charlie Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, Apr 28 2004, 11:00 AM EST
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Pat Tillman was so special it would be hard to list all the awards and special honors he received! He was an outstanding athelete and an outstanding student as well! Tillman was an overachiever, and he did in fact walk from a major contract offer from ST Louis Rams and he made a decision that not many, no other NFL player would make, would even think about! Hell, a new Courage award after him to be given to the most team oriented player in NFL!

Pat Tillman would have been a hero in any war at any time throughout our history! I agree with Sonny, what better name to put on ASU's stadium?!?!!

Charlie

PS Hoohah!
428cj Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Apr 28 2004, 11:08 AM EST
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Except for the first part (haha), very well said Sonny. Couldn't agree with you more about what he gave up to serve his country as he did. Great guy and awesome American he was.
Robby Offline
#9 Posted: Wed, Apr 28 2004, 11:17 AM EST
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He was an awesome american hero. You libs need to turn it down a bit and accept that and move on and criticize those who have anything negative like the post I put up earlier from those waccos... Pick your battles, we need to unite on this one. We pi$$ and moan enough about Kerry. Let's agree that Tillman was a war hero, period. And those who disagree should be viewed for what they are...
AJ_CHICAGO Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, Apr 28 2004, 11:20 PM EST
Joined: 10-27-2003
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Sorry to have to put another negative spin on a "feel good" attempt to rationalize away the death of another soldier. We like to do that. We watch too many movies. We should be mourning him not feeling good about him. OK, we should do both. Yes, he was definitely a hero. I'm with you on that. "WAS" is the operative word used. I'd rather we unite on the fact that he shouldn't have had to make the decision in the first place, but I think that's too much to ask. He should be viewed for what he is, a DEAD American hero like all of the other soldiers who have died over there, (heros, all of them). The others gave up their wives, their children, their mothers, their fathers, and the ultimate... their lives. Did they give up any less than Pat Tillman? Do we know their names? Heros' Stadium? Veterans' Stadium, if anything.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Apr 29 2004, 2:02 AM EST
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AJ you need to revisit JFK's address..."Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country"

http://www.cs.umb.edu/jfklibrary/j012061.htm

listen to it...read the entire speech...it fits today as it did when he recited it!

Self-centered baby cries is what I'm hearing from you. You want to use him and anyone else to further some "peaceful" agenda. The war on terrorism needs to be fought all the way. They understand that. We don't need anothe 9-11-01 happening on our shores. Finishing what THEY started is the American way. We've ALWAYS done it and I'm coming to the rationalization that we ALWAYS will!

It's a real shame that you can't see the motives that would make a starting NFL player turn his back on the fame and money to serve his great nation, but then again we're used to hearing about this so-called peaceful religion called Islam too!
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