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·I attacked and took over two countries.
·I spent the U.S. surplus and bankrupted the Treasury.
·I shattered the record for the biggest annual deficit in history.
·I set an economic record for the most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.
·I am the first president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.
·In my first year in office I set the all-time record for most days on vacation of any president in US history.
·After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over the worst security failure in US history.
·I set the record for most campaign fund raising trips by any president in US history.
·In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.
·I cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any other president in US history.
·I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.
·I appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.
·I set the record for the fewest press conferences of any president since the advent of TV.
·I signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any other US president in history.
·I presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.
·I presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.
·I cut health care benefits for war veterans.
·I set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.
·I dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.
·I’ve made my presidency the most secretive and unaccountable of any in US history.
·Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (The poorest multimillionaire, Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her).
·I presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud in any market in any country in the history of the world.
·I am the first president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation, and I did so against the will of the United Nations and the world community.
·I have created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.
·I set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any other president in US history.
·I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the Human Rights Commission.
·I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the Elections Monitoring Board.
·I removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.
·I withdrew from the World Court of Law.
·The biggest lifetime contributor to my campaign, who is also one of my best friends, presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).
·I spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.
·I am the first president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied, saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)
·I am the first US president to establish a secret shadow government.
·I took the world’s sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).
·I am the first US president in history to have a majority of the people of
·Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.
·I am the first US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than by their immediate neighbor, North Korea.
·I changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
·I set the all time record for the number of administration employees who violated US law by not selling their huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.
·I have removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history. In a little over two years I have created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided that the US has been since the civil war.

I'm curious,I wonder if the cons support of dubya over all he's done would have garnered the same support had this occured during a democratic presidency? X

However, as is so often the case with the Libby's and their hit and run tactics, they will not present their opinions and substantiate them in a debate. I don't expect AVB to break this trend... It's a very common theme from what I can tell "BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH" Verbal vomiting, then when asked a question or engaged in dialogue, "crickets"... A sign of weakness and cowardice and a general lack of self-assurance and conviction...

"I'm looking forward to a lively discussion on this." Eagerly awaiting your lively reply AVP (crickets...) I don't think you're looking forward to discussing anything.

Actually Robby I have a number of favorites in that list. I had to edit it down to shorten it up some. I do believe GWB is wandering aimlessly with no clear cut policy on the economy. If you want to continue on this one topic fine but feel free to select any of them and I'll try to reply as time and work permits.

For the rest of you, it may shatter your preconceived black and white ideas but I am an Independent. I know that doesn't fit in with your "you have to be a Republican, if not you're a Liberal" world but I try to think for myself. Before you doubt my Amaricanism/loyalty/patriotism I did my 30 years in the service.....what have you done?

I'm sorry AVB, did I have to serve in the military to address your 30 point post ranging from the economy to Bush's 1970 something drunk driving charge? You're not afraid to discuss with me are you?

I threw my first choice out. And you bit, so here goes, can you cite an example of how the president has "wandered aimlessly?" with his economic policy?

First off, your point in the post said, "·I shattered the record for the biggest annual deficit in history."

Let’s take this for what it is. How big is the deficit? How much bigger is it than the previous biggest?

Ok, now let’s express it in terms of GDP. For instance, let’s say 10 years ago, you made 20 thousand dollars a year, and had 1 thousand dollars in credit card debt in that same year. So you’re debt to income ratio for that year would be 5%, right?

Ok, now let’s assume that last year, you made 50 thousand dollars and created 1500 dollars in credit card debt (stay with me please). So your debt to income ratio last year would have been 3%.

Now here’s the 64 thousand dollar question, in which year was your defect actually higher? Well it depends in how you express it doesn’t it? Technically 1,500 is > than 1,000, however, equally as accurate and more realistic, 3% is less than 5% is it not? And in reality, given the scenario illustrated here, which debt would you be more concerned with? 1,000 on a 20K income? Or 1,500 on a 50K income? Answer honestly PLEASE! And also, please don’t be offended by the logic of my argument. The “real” answer is that Bush has not run the highest deficits in history, they may be the largest dollar amounts, however, it’s word play as I’ve just illustrated above, do you agree with my premise?

Looking forward to your response AVB, with baited breath...

I understand completely how you are looking at that one point, it is classic Keynesian economics. Deficit spending as a premise may not be a bad thing but you also have to assume a constant growth for it to work out well. Any stagnation or as we has in the early 80’s, stagflation makes the debt ratio higher. Also, there are other theories that say debt should not be compared with GDP but with the actual income of the Government. Looking at it that way indeed makes more sense to me and would show that the debt ratio jumped considerably under this administration. More and to a higher level that any since WWII. Can you understand that?

GDP is a reasonable indicator of how large a total economy is but does not have a direct correlation to what income the government takes in. Since spending is far greater than 1.) income, 2.) growth and 3.) current inflation rate, it is making it harder and harder to go back to an equalized level where the percentage increase in deficit is more or less covered by growth and monies taken in. Either way you look at it this isn’t a real good thing for the people who’s incomes aren’t advancing as fast as the spending is. Debt has to be financed and more of it takes money away from what the citizens can borrow plus it foreshadows taxes to get the debt back in line and higher interest rates to entice people to invest in the financing of the debt.

I understand that the debt is high, I can’t deny that and won’t try to deny facts. I understand that we need to bring it down. However, I also understand that 9/11 affected us on several levels, i.e., hurt the economy and also caused us to increase spending on the military and homeland security. I can't blame the administration for that, they were victims of circumstance.

AVB

i didn't want you to talk about anyone else unless you choose to.

i just wanted to make sure you were refering to
little w and not atilla the hun.

you conveyed so much with so few words. no wasted motion as you drew out your colt 45 from it's holster.

did i win anything for guesing correctly?