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f'kn savages!!!!!!!!

This man was over there trying to help them out and this is the thanks he gets!!!!!!

At least they didn't commit any *REAL* atrocities on him first, like laughing at his genitals.

The touchy-feely among us will still want to negotiate with them, chat them up, understand their side, get a feel for where they're trying to go with this.

This is the end result of the idiot Royal Family over there handing all the terrorists money on command, thinking it would somehow save them. The terrorists now have them over a barrel for giving in.

Pull all the U.S. citizens out of Saudi Arabia now. When the "Royal Family" realizes they don't have the brainpower in their country to run their oil wells, they'll take a whole 'nother view of the terrorists and perhaps remember how much they value/need our assistance.

f'kn savages!!!!!!!! is right.

remember most of the hijackers were suadi's.

this is neither bush's nor kerry's fault. those people are animals. the only difference between the "royal family" and the other terrorists is the "family" wares nice white clothes.

Drudge has the three pictures on their web site

The time has come to bring our troops home, and send a few squads of Black Ops in. Take those f**kers out. That's what should have been done in the first place. I'm not niave enough to think that sometimes a few assassinations won't solve most of the problems.

Yours,
Sheila

POST THE PICTURES.

Show the world the savagery that is part of the MAINSTREAM Muslim religion.

Looks like there are some dead militants too. Some very senior dead militants. How "Big" is Al Qaeda if the head chief is out dumping the body of a random target.

Lets get are people out of there and then level the country " an eye for an eye" is true. I can not even begin to imagine the pain that Paul Johnson's family is going through.

on an AP news report, a reporter asked a saudi citizen why saudis were remaining silent even if they witness AQ operatives in the act:

"These (kidnappers) are holy warriors, heroes, who never waver, even if they will fail," Mizahen al-Etbi told the AP. "All Saudis hate Americans, not only these heroes."

it's going to be a long time before i forget that last line.

god rest you in eternal peace, paul, and may he be with and comfort your family and those who knew you. amen.

Let's kill 2 birds with one stone.

Strap a parachute on Charlie Manson, Son of Sam, Terry Nichols and every other meanie on Death Row. Fill a whole C-130 up with these guys and give 'em guns too. Put the ammo in a Conex with a keylock...and give the meanest guy a pair of bolt cutters just for good luck...fly them into Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Iran...anywhere! We could even put all of the sex offenders and while we're at it give the minimum security prisoners a crack at volunteering too. They get to kill, we get empty prisons, kids don't want to go to prison because they're "assigned" to Airborne units and the bad guys end up dead.

Looks like they just smoked the SOBs that were behind this. At least the leader and a few of his henchmen. Although I'm sure they didn't suffer nearly as much.

"Also unbelievable is for the cons to use this to flame the Libs" What is unbelivable is that libs b!tch and moan about us putting panties on the heads of a few prisioners and lay largly silent when an American (innocent, not a fighter) get's his f'ing head cut off... Yeah, pretty amazing alright. Cozy up to your buddies, if the shoe fits, f'ing wear it.

Problem with this is that the liberal press and left wing news folks will forget it in a week, and go back to "American Atrocities at Abu Grab" and some on the left will paint Johnson as someone that was fighting against the poor Muslims etc!
This is typical of the black hearted dogs we are fighting and yet there are those who will find blame in the USA and in Johnson for being in wrong place at wrong time!

Charlie

Charlie to answer your question.. this is like say one of your own Kin is wanted by the Law... and you know it and know of where they are hiding out... do you give them up? mind your own business? or turn them in?

anywhere with these people.. they feel these Bastards are Kin... and they help them rather then help themselves rid this problem with our help at bay....

this is just the beginning there will be more and more.. because the Terrorists have seen this gets America all fired up.. they think they have struck a nerve into the American hearts to change the mindset of our Goverment and Policies....

Eye for an Eye and lets have film at 11...

only when we remove their heads lets wrap them in Friut of the Loome Undies and mail them to Next of Kin... SOB's don't even deserve this much respect!!!!

Hog

Bingo. In fact, don't they transplant some parts from pigs in to people? We're pretty compatible for some things like tendons and heart valves and stuff. Why not perform some surgery and put some pig parts in some and send them back to their buddies in the mosque (oink oink)

And I think they (the prisoners) should get all the SPAM and scrapple they can eat, and nothing else… If they “choose” to starve, so be it.

And if we catch one of those ba$tards who kidnaps and kills Americans, or hides and dresses like a civilian and shoots and bombs American and allied troops, not only do we capture/kill them, we also then go and kill their family, friends, and neighbors. Sorry if that seems a tad harsh, but I believe it would reduce the number willing to identify themselves with these psychos. Fire with fire baby. I wonder how “the media” would react to an American Hard-Line response? Hummm, surely they’d support us, wouldn’t they?

this was not the only beheading along with Berg...

http://www.sj-r.com/Sections/News/Stories/27910.asp

Johnson's beheading is the latest in a new, more dramatic wave of terror attacks for Saudi Arabia: bodies dragged on streets, traffic police blown up in their offices, hotel guests taken hostage and a chef shot outside an ATM machine. The attacks have killed dozens of people, mostly foreigners, over the past two months.

Johnson was seized on June 12, the same day that Islamic militants shot and killed Kenneth Scroggs of Laconia, N.H., in his garage in Riyadh.

Scroggs worked for Advanced Electronics Co., a Saudi firm whose Web site lists Lockheed Martin among its customers. The office number on Johnson's business card was for Advanced Electronics.

The same week as Scroggs' death, militants shot and killed another American, Robert Jacobs, and an Irish citizen in Riyadh.

It appears that Jacobs was also decapitated after being shot to death. Video shows his attackers bent over his body, making a sawing motion near the head, though there was no confirmation.

Hog

i've given my thoughts on this. i'm one of those dastardly liberals, too, darn it all.

one thing i want to make clear though -- the abu g prison incidents are NOT NOT NOT about some stray undies and peter pointing; it's about RAPE and MURDER. if it were all about panty-face, it wouldn't even be an issue (not with me anyway). i do, however, think it's a Bad Idea to rape and murder people we are holding prisoner.

the actions at that prison a) were unnecessary (no ticking timebombs were halted as a result of these actions and b) put our soldiers AND citizens (contract workers) in MORE harm's way (to wit: beheadings) and c) embarrassed the h-e-double-L out of our president, this administration and america in general.

even IF it was all about panty fun, what the actions did was screw OURSELVES over. it just served to reinforce an image we have been trying DESPERATELY to overcome (that of being "thugs") at a time when image is crucial -- these idiots just gave muslims the world over an excuse to not trust americans one bit. yeah, that will really go a long way in helping us along.

what's going to happen to the next US soldier who gets captured? yep. eye for an eye all right.

what these clowns did was wrong. if they were ordered to it, whoever issued those orders was wrong as well.

again, the outrage is NOT about panties in the face. if they put panties on the faces of captured americans, well, that sucks, but it's not lethal. this was about anally raping and murdering prisoners -- and i do NOT want to hear of our troops getting that kind of quid pro quo treatment if captured.

it is NOT okay.

And p.s., how many heads have we cut off? I can tell you this, I'd sign on to cut those ba$tard's heads off... And I'd sleep well at night, like a baby...

you see... how much this has done to raise the enlistment rate only in America???

Cavilo... my question to you.. how many have we killed while detained??? please give me figures and facts with listed outline.... because liberal media outcry is not good enough... I want to know... even the non (Geniveva Convention as Charlie points out) have it made!!!!

could you still be friends with me if I told you I took a mans head off?? weather what religion he may have been??

am I sorry for it?
do I think about it?
does it really matter to you?
question is are we still BOTL???

Hog

robby: got it. :)

let me clarify -- i think what was done at the prison was flat-out wrong, and those responsible for it need to answer for their actions.

hog, all the photos have not been released for public consumption. the ones that haven't been released have not seen light because they depict -- according to comments of those who have seen them (rep and dem congress members) -- rape and murder. provide you a source? i can't; they've not been released -- all we have to go on is what's been reported by those who have seen the photos and condemned them. i don't have the time or energy to go googling to find each and every instance of this being said, bro. believe it or don't believe it. personally, i hope those images are NEVER released to the public; not one bit of good for anyone would come of it, only more harm.

could i still be your friend if i knew you had beheaded a man? it depends, russ. if you did that to someone you KNEW to be a noncombatant, then it would be a challenge. i'd want to know why you did it.

if you beheaded someone who either was or you believed was an enemy combatant, i'd have no problem with it whatsoever.

i have friends who have killed people many times over in various situations. i don't know how many japanese my father killed as a marine in the south pacific island hopping of WWII, no clue how many vietnamese lives my brothers took in their service as cavalry and paratrooper in that era. i do know that my father strangled one man to death in his war. i do not consider him a murderer for having done so. if i'd been in his position, i would hope that i would have had the strength and fortitude to prevail in hand-to-hand combat as he did, though.

did anyone die as a result of the part i played in furthering military technology at USAF's armstrong military research lab? i don't think so, but i don't know. if it had such an impact, i pray that more were saved than lost as a result. i pray our airmen and other beneficiaries of that research were more capable of doing their jobs effectively. since we're not yet flying 100% virtually piloted aircraft, i doubt it had much effect at all. but i can tell you that the aging shuttle astronauts can now read their monitors a bit more clearly as a result! lol

there is the "fog of war" factor to consider, and i understand it -- in theory if not in practice. that is the fog of WAR -- not just the fog of COMBAT, too.

i believe that the vast, vast majority of our military personnel do the best they possibly can at any given point in time based on their training, their orders and their personal fortitude as american troops.

HOWEVER...

i do not believe in the effectiveness of torture (or rape or murder). was it effective for the viet cong to torture, rape and kill *our* POWs? can you say that the VC were justified in what they did to *our* men in POW camps?

there are effective tactics that have played out over and over and over again as being effective in extracting information from enemy personnel. it's long, tedious work, but it provides us with ACCURATE information that we can actually USE.

torture is a short-cut to getting an ANSWER -- any answer. do you think our POWs were sincere when they signed those "i hate america" forms after being tortured? if so, then you believe that torture is effective and will save lives. i don't believe that for a minute.

torture produces an action, yes. put the shocks to a man's balls for a long enough time, and not only will his body suffer damage for the rest of his life, but he will tell you ***ANYTHING*** HE THINKS YOU WANT TO HEAR THAT WILL MAKE YOU STOP.

separate the desire for revenge against these animals with the desire for ACCURATE, HELPFUL INFORMATION.

i do not blame ANYONE for wanting to see these )@(#*$)@#( torn apart limb from limb for their parts in the deaths of men like pearl, berg, johnson and so many others.

i would personally have no qualms at all about taking off the head of a man responsible for those killings, responsible for kidnapping, responsible for torturing, raping and killing ordinary iraqi citizens, responsible for ANY part of the events of 9/11.

still be your friend? hog, i would salute you -- IF you beheaded any of the above and a few others beside.

but if you anally raped a prisoner in abu g, i would have no choice but to condemn your actions as being unnecessary, unhelpful and ineffective in doing anything to advance our cause, or "save lives" as a result.

we have ways of extracting truthful, useful information from prisoners. even if i supported torture, torture DOES. NOT. WORK.

again, to all -- separate your desire for revenge from what it REALLY takes to get useful information from prisoners. if you want to know what methods DO work, i'd be glad to elucidate.

lol well, robby, that's one way of looking it.

if i had a known terrorist (of any race, ethnicity or persusion of any kind) at my disposal? -- well, let's just leave it at that: DISPOSAL.

*flush*

zero moral qualms about it.

i want to clarify something, though -- i'm neither smart enough NOR dumb enough to claim that there are ANY "always, everytime" absolutes when it comes to either warfare (and law enforcement for what that's worth) or the extraction of useful information.

i will not, likewise, say that there is NEVER a reason to use actual or threatened physical or psychological harm as leverage for a higher purpose.

there are, quite honestly, degrees of the above that ARE quite useful -- and quite commonly used.

i do NOT believe in a "zero tolerance" policy where the threat and use of "torture" is concerned. it is not possible to do so and effectively protect lives, and where does one draw the line at what is and is not "torture?"

is it "torture" to force a convicted killer to live in a prison cell knowing that he will only leave it in a body bag after his execution? a strong argument can be made that even life imprisonment is torture.

do i want that "torture" to stop? hell no.

but what i am saying abou what went on at abu is this: it did a lot of harm to our cause, our troops and our citizens and was of no help. nothing was deterred, nothing was prevented, and no one was caught/captured, etc. as a result of the actions there.

what irks me is when i read what SEEMS TO ME like the condoning of our actions there because of a "my country right or wrong" mentality. if that's the case, i feel the need to speak up with the reminder of the rest of that phrase -- "when right, to keep her right; when wrong, to set her right."