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Obama and Chavez
robertknyc Offline
#1 Posted:
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This buddy-buddy handshake strikes me as a bad idea since it raises the insidious Chavez from power hungry socialist thug to something on the order of a fraternity brother of the Chosen One. This guy actively supports Colombian terrorists, etc. and to ignore that and treat him as a legitimate equal is the kind of bad judgment we tried to warn people about in November. The photographs of this will circulate in the Latino world and it will only serve to bolster Chavez's reputation. Instead, we need to put pressure on this guy for his nefarious activities and embarrass him on the world stage, not pretend he's a long lost friend.
jetblasted Offline
#2 Posted:
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Chavez is a Lunatic . . .
Whistlebritches Offline
#3 Posted:
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^So is Obama
lluvia Offline
#4 Posted:
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Chavez is a loon
surfish1961 Offline
#5 Posted:
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He is talking about Chavez, right?
edsbar60 Offline
#6 Posted:
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Chavez!!
Friggin' unbelievable!!!
pabloescabar Offline
#7 Posted:
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impeach obama
HockeyDad Offline
#8 Posted:
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Chavez is our good friend and neighbor. You people need to capitulate and be re-educated.
Lizardo Offline
#9 Posted:
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Obama has been making HUGE mistake after mistake lately.

After all the hype I expected better.
rfenst Offline
#10 Posted:
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Being polite and cordial/friendly can work miracles with foes...
Lizardo Offline
#11 Posted:
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^ ^ Not when they are lunatics.
Gene363 Offline
#12 Posted:
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Sorry it was a suck-ass move after what that piss ant said about a standing US President. Another one of BO's communist **** buddies.

Look at the smile on Obama's face I want to throw up.

http://tinyurl.com/ct2rqd


http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/5th-Summit-of-the-Americas-President-Barack-Obama-Venezuela/photo//090417/481/54159ad6c89443da8413ebb30261774c//s:/ap/20090418/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cb_summit_obama_chavez;_ylt=AtoScWilTERRj9etzqaebV.9IxIF;_ylu=X3oDMTE5cjJobmZnBHBvcwMxBHNlYwN5bl9yX3RvcF9waG90bwRzbGsDaW50aGlzcGhvdG9y

or

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090418/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cb_summit_obama_chavez
pacman357 Offline
#13 Posted:
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Riiiiiight. Because denouncing him and trying to isolate him was so successful in promoting Uncle Geo...um, Sam's image in South Amercica.
rfenst Offline
#14 Posted:
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"Look at the smile on Obama’s face I want to throw up."
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You are making me nauseous!
Gene363 Offline
#15 Posted:
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re 13 & 14

Yeah, you guys are correct. Will both of you be joining the Obama a$$kissing Team tour of Central & South America? I know they would feel so much better about America if you afforded them some personal attention.

Myself, I won't be joining you, call me crazy but I if a POS dictator like Chavez is anything BUT unhappy with the US, I am really worried.
Charlie Offline
#16 Posted:
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Being polite and cordial/friendly can work miracles with foes...

Robert, I know you love our President, but to defend every action he takes is a bit silly......I always thought that "Mission Accomplished" landing by Bush was one of his worst moments....like this one and bowing and kneeling to that tyrant in Saudi Arabia.

What will he do next to offend the office of President?

Charlie
pacman357 Offline
#17 Posted:
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Apparently you'd prefer we just sit back and wait until the leader of every country in Central and South America turn their citizens against us? Hey, it would be really cool if everyone South of us nationalizes American companies, making it completely impossible for our corporations to do business there, and letting other nations monopolize industry we need (oil, produce, various metals) so that they can set prices to their whims, sending our economy into a permanent tailspin...at leat until enough of them muster the military power to align against us, so that we're fighting wars against them. Ought to be interesting since we'll have absolutely zero control over things that will help us, such as cocaine production.

OK, score one for the Big, Dumb Lout school of foreign policy.
Charlie Offline
#18 Posted:
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No, Tom, the guy has enough people in his country that are against him that if they held an honest election he would surely get defeated.....duh.

Why dignify him in any way?

Score a minus point for the stupid liberal left as usual...next send Pelosi there to feel him up and make him feel better.

Charlie
pacman357 Offline
#19 Posted:
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Actually, 17 was for 15...I had a few windows open to read.

But now that I've read 16 and 18...
8trackdisco Offline
#20 Posted:
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'..Obama and Chavez..'
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Sounds like a law firm Vic Mackey would hate.
lluvia Offline
#21 Posted:
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The possibility exists that Obama is attempting to "know his enemy" under social disarming conditions...but dang they do look chummy

If he Obama ends out hugging Castro, I'm running for the hills.

And then of course we could pray for our President as the Bible instructs us to do since he is supposedly a member of the Body of Christ, no?
HockeyDad Offline
#22 Posted:
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Chavez recently bought 100,000 AKs from Russia to arm his supporters from American attack and he has manufacturing rights to make his own now. His squadron of brand new SU-30s already give him the best air force in South America to keep his neighbors at bay. We have already lost the arms race and now need to further negotiate to keep out Russian naval vessels and long range bombers. .....Plus we really like their oil and have a number of refineries already geared for its lower quality.

Chavez is now our friend and we must keep it that way. We can learn a lot from how Chavez consolidated power for the greater glory of the Bolivarian nation.
lluvia Offline
#23 Posted:
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I think Bolivar is rolling in his grave...
jackconrad Offline
#24 Posted:
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SIMON SEYS!
Whistlebritches Offline
#25 Posted:
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You think they looked good shaking hands.................you shoud've
seen them bumping **** in the shower.


Ron
lluvia Offline
#26 Posted:
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I have grave concerns about the bent your mind takes toward imagining men's ****,' WB


Unless of course that is your preferred orientation, in which case, to each his own but Please
keep it in the bedroom, man! ahhaha

I need mind bleach when you go there LOL
Gene363 Offline
#27 Posted:
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re 17

Chavez is just the dictator of Venezuela; he is not the leader of Central or South America. Do a little reading on the current state of political freedom in Venezuela. Look at how Chavez came to power and what he is doing to maintain control. Even if you got all your news from NPR, you would know there are problems in Venezuela.

Kissing Chavez' azz does nothing but empower him in the eyes of other Central & South American leaders. If you believe otherwise that "Big, Dumb Lout" is a lot closer than you realize.

Last, you, as one self-appointed Forum Chicken Little spotter, crossed the hyperbole line by linking kissing Chavez' azz to the collapse of the US economy, wow, who needs a tin hat now?
HockeyDad Offline
#28 Posted:
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"I won." ~ Hugo Chavez


Deal with it!
jetblasted Offline
#29 Posted:
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Chavez also bought a couple of Russian Subs, too . . .
Gene363 Offline
#30 Posted:
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re 28

Hummm, interesting parallel.

At least Chavez legally changed the laws of his country to allow him more power. The people of Venezuela wanted it that way. He told them so they know it for a fact.
Gene363 Offline
#31 Posted:
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re 22

"Chavez is now our friend and we must keep it that way."

President Bowing Barack Obama reporting for duty!
chiefburg Offline
#32 Posted:
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I'm not totally opposed to the handshake - it's a form of greeting. I'm not as happy about the big smiles - I think a look of seriousness (especially in front of the press) would have shown a deeper concern for what Chavez is doing to his country, our country and Central America.

I am doing my best to not buy Chavez's gas (Citgo). I know it's a little thing but I'm trying to do something. I think Citgo has felt pain at the pumps since many other Americans aren't buying their gas as well. Citgo is changing their name to Petro Express and I will boycott their gas as well.
chiefburg Offline
#33 Posted:
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^ Oops. Should have said Central/South America. . .
robertknyc Offline
#34 Posted:
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Not claiming expert status in any way, but I've been to Venezuela, my wife is from there and most of her family is still there. I know a little bit about what goes on there and it's not pretty. I saw no cops when I went there three years ago. I've been told Chavez is punishing the city of Maracaibo for voting against him and he's reduced the number of police there. My brother-in-law was car jacked and has also been robbed literally at the front door of his house...this is a real-world case of the old cliche "if guns are outlawed, only the outlaws will have guns." People live in fear there, and have to run from their cars
into stores or whatever to avoid getting robbed.

Anyway, Chavez is a Fidel wannabe, doesn't believe in individual rights or free markets, and will do practically anything for the furtherance of his foolish and disproven socialist ideas. He just today gave Obama a book that purports to detail how America has pillaged South America over history. So you see, we're not going to do a little back slapping and glad handing and make him say "Gee, I had the wrong ideas about you guys all this time." If anything, we need to embarrass him in the eyes of his people so they will vote him out of office, or potentially take him out of office a little sooner!
HockeyDad Offline
#35 Posted:
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Petro Express is not owned by CITGO and I believe gets its gas from Texaco.

Many US oil companies buy Venezuelan crude oil.
Charlie Offline
#36 Posted:
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Let Susan Sarandon, Danny Glover, Jeanane Garrafolo and Sean Penn hug and kiss the ****.....but not our President..

Another disgrace by the Obama and Biden show.

Charlie
FuzzNJ Offline
#37 Posted:
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When Chavez came up to Obama to hand him the book and shake his hand unannounced, Obama should have punched him in the face!
HockeyDad Offline
#38 Posted:
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Clearly President Chavez no longer thinks Obama has the same stench as George W Bush. For this, we should rejoice.
tailgater Offline
#39 Posted:
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When Chavez called bush the devil, it was a slur on all of America.

For Obama to openly embrace chavez and extend a hand in friendship shows yet another example of how Obama just isn't presidential material.

Partisan politics aside, chavez slammed America and now this f*ck stick Obama simply forgets this?

I have no respect for those who defend this move by Obama. He could have used this opportunity to cordially denouce what Chavez said and did. Instead he yucked it up for the cameras.
Gene363 Offline
#40 Posted:
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Not if he smells that enticing slightly earthy musky scent of an aroused pu... uh, never mind.
Gene363 Offline
#41 Posted:
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40 was for 38

re 39, agree.
donutboy2000 Offline
#42 Posted:
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At President Obama's meeting with the heads of South American countries this morning, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez stood, walked over to him, and presented him with a copy of "Open Veins of Latin America: Five Centuries of the Pillage of a Continent" by Uruguayan author Eduardo Galeano.

Obama politely posed for a photograph with Chavez, shook his hand, and accepted the gift.

The book, first published in Spanish in 1971, offers a critique of the consequences of 500 years of European and U.S. colonization of Latin America.

"The division of labor among nations is that some specialize in winning and others in losing," the book begins. "Our part of the world, known today as Latin America, was precocious: it has specialized in losing ever since those remote times when Renaissance Europeans ventured across the ocean and buried their teeth in the throats of the Indian civilizations. Centuries passed, and Latin America perfected its role."

Galeano writes that while the era of "lodes of gold" and "mountains of silver" has passed, "our region still works as a menial laborer. It continues to exist at the service of others' needs, as a source of oil and iron, of copper and meat, of fruit and coffee, the raw materials and foods destined for rich countries which profit more from consuming them than Latin America does from producing them."

At another point in the book, Galeano writes: "Our defeat was always implicit in the victory of others; our wealth has always generated our poverty by nourishing the prosperity of others."

abc
HockeyDad Offline
#43 Posted:
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"Five Centuries of the Pillage of a Continent"......

Music to my ears! My only regret is that France didn't get a bigger piece of South America.
Gene363 Offline
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"when Renaissance Europeans ventured across the ocean and buried their teeth in the throats of the Indian civilizations. "

Can't they just be happy the Europeans didn't kill them all? It's not like they haven't been trying to exterminate one another for centuries before the arrival of Europeans.
donutboy2000 Offline
#45 Posted:
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I believe that Obama owes S. America an apology.
teedubbya Offline
#46 Posted:
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I am shocked. I was expecting a pro Obama thread LMAO
lluvia Offline
#47 Posted:
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WB-

let's dance! waltz? I don't know tango....merengue!

oh, sorry

wrong thread
Charlie Offline
#48 Posted:
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Hoq about the Hulley Gulley?

Charlie
lluvia Offline
#49 Posted:
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sounds like fun, Charlie LOL
Cigarick Offline
#50 Posted:
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I dunno . . . Chavez (and all those other nutjobs) is a nutjob, and part of me wants to just bomb the hell out of him, but what can talking hurt? We already have the upper hand. Talking can only make him reveal nothing, or more.
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