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VankieC7 Offline
#1 Posted: Tue, Nov 24 2009, 10:26 AM EST
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This is to replace my retraction thread as it will be deleted due to the link I posted. Please see what the other site said below...please note that most of this happened on the other site but it affects everyone...

I need to submit a retraction on my apology...I was lying...moreover I was lying to myself. I thought in some bizarre way I wasn't lying...but I was. I was going to sell the cigars that you guys gifted to me...I know...I'm an idiot, a jerk, a stupid moron..etc... and I understand that you will all hate me forever...but I couldn't live with this on my heart. I know that my God will forgive me for lying...but I don't expect it from you guys...even though I wish you would...at least someday.

I guess my financial situation got so bad that I felt that selling my possessions was the only way out...which included the cigars that you guys so graciously gave me.

I feel like I am going to throw up at this point...

I do want you to know (even though I don't expect you to believe me) that I never intentionally fished for cigars from others. No matter how bad it looked...maybe I did want pitty...but never expected anything in return. Nothing I ever said was meant to be a scam or anything like that. If people offered I would accept, but I truthfully never expected anything. I have always enjoyed the bombing and so on that you all enjoy...I just got to the above point and didn't think I could turn back.

I won't be selling the cigars now...I feel too bad about the whole thing...so I will smoke them and try to remember the good times when I hadn't lost my mind.

I will be forever greatful to you guys and will always love all of you. You guys deserve better than me.

As I am sure nobody will want me around, I won't post anymore...at least until everyone forgives me (which mean I probably won't post forever). If you feel it necessary, you are welcome to ban me from the site.

If anyone wants to talk to me about any of this, they can either PM me if they don't ban me for life, or email me at [email protected]

I hope everyone has a GREAT thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years!


Goodbye.
Ram27 Offline
#2 Posted: Tue, Nov 24 2009, 10:44 AM EST
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Lassie come home, come home Lassie......


Hey at least you confessed and was totally honest about it. Bravo........
teedubbya Offline
#3 Posted: Tue, Nov 24 2009, 10:46 AM EST
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Since Potts is not here to help us out

apology accepted
VankieC7 Offline
#4 Posted: Tue, Nov 24 2009, 10:56 AM EST
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I want to thank anyone and everyone who accepts my apology...it means a lot to me...and through this and on the other board I am starting to see what real friendship is about. i will grow from this (considering I am only 27) and will come away a stronger person. For now I will stay away from the bombing threads (wisdom from a wise man) and not post anymore crap.
Ram27 Offline
#5 Posted: Tue, Nov 24 2009, 10:59 AM EST
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Vankie, wise move. So, so many get sucked into the bombing and each one , sadly enough tries outdoing the other and thinks it has to be nothing but the best & high super premiums, let those TURKEYS play and enjoy live.


Happy Thanksgiving !!!


" Bless your little honest heart " !


Ram
pacman357 Offline
#6 Posted: Tue, Nov 24 2009, 11:03 AM EST
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Sir? Does this mean Ann-Margaret's not coming?
jblessin Offline
#7 Posted: Tue, Nov 24 2009, 11:40 AM EST
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ummm, ok...
ZRX1200 Offline
#8 Posted: Tue, Nov 24 2009, 11:47 AM EST
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Ouch. Had to hurt to type that OP.

Never delt with ya bro, but I've run into hard times myself before. It humbling what things a desperate person can do when you realize it was you.

Having never delt with ya I don't have any business forgiving you. But, I have more respect for you after reading your post.
VankieC7 Offline
#9 Posted: Tue, Nov 24 2009, 12:00 PM EST
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^^^Thanks!
xddco Offline
#10 Posted: Tue, Nov 24 2009, 12:05 PM EST
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You have my respect for manning up and my acceptance of your apology.

I used to frequent several boards years ago (lunatics, mbcl, village idiots). I lost my job and dropped off the radar for five years. I sold all my cigars and just about every thing I had of value. When I got whole again, and caught up, I found I missed the camaraderie (and the bombing).
You need to do what you gotta do, but your post tells me that you got heart and guts and you'll be back.

And, I bomb because I can and because I enjoy it......so, gobble, gobble.
topper7788 Offline
#11 Posted: Tue, Nov 24 2009, 12:11 PM EST
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wish you the best, tough post....
antoniaspapa Offline
#12 Posted: Tue, Nov 24 2009, 12:18 PM EST
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Hard one to read but had to be harder to write. Never dealt with you, but I can still accept an apology. Take care and God bless.
njstone Offline
#13 Posted: Tue, Nov 24 2009, 12:26 PM EST
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Apology accepted as far as I'm concerned anyway. The douchebaggery of selling gifted sticks is confirmed, but at the same time I think that most of us recognize that when times are tough, something's gotta give. Though of course selling sticks that you purchased yourself or traded for should come well before something that was given to you. Again, though, in desperate times you've got to do what you've got to do--provided you're not begging sticks just for the purpose of turning around to sell them straight away.

From my point of view, taking care of your family comes first. Down the line when you're back on your feet, etc., you can make it up to people.
DaQueenBeez Offline
#14 Posted: Tue, Nov 24 2009, 1:16 PM EST
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Wow - I missed this. That's tough stuff to post, Vankie - takes more spine than many have. My estimation of your character is much higher than it previously was!

Njstone - "The douchebaggery of selling gifted sticks is confirmed." I think it depends on the situation. If you're deliberately soliciting gifts with the intent to re-sell them, or if you accept a gift knowing that you intend to sell it, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree!

However, I've never been offended by the thought of someone re-gifting or, if they're in a situation where they need to sell their collection, selling sticks I had gifted them. I see it like this: if I send lluvia a cigar bomb, everything in the package now belongs to HER, and is hers to do with as she sees fit. Maybe she'll light it up and enjoy it herself...maybe she doesn't care for something I sent, but wants to give a gift to a friend who WOULD enjoy that stick....maybe her finances require her to sell her cigars, including what I've gifted her.....whatever the case, my gift has benefited her in some way, and that was really the point in the first place.
TMCTLT Offline
#15 Posted: Tue, Nov 24 2009, 1:25 PM EST
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Queen, what a classy answer to an individuals obvious tough post regarding the tough spot he is in. I am very new to these posts but I can tell that many of you here are class acts. This is the beauty of the Human cond.

Vankie best of luck w/your financial issues and I hope you and your enjoy Thanksgiving.
wtjvj Offline
#16 Posted: Tue, Nov 24 2009, 1:42 PM EST
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VankieC7

I am going to hold any thoughts or judgements for or against you until I see how you handle your future.

While you are trying to straighten this out, disappearing is not the answer. I suggest you right any wrongs you have made with your friends here and at the CM.

Also, if you continue down this path I will be glad to help you out by sticking my foot in your ass.
stitch Offline
#17 Posted: Tue, Nov 24 2009, 1:43 PM EST
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I'm sure I wasn't involved in this but if I gift/Bomb someone cigars I don't mind anything they do with them.
In fact if I know someone is hurting for $$ right now knowing they sold the smokes would make me feel like I helped them out in some way.
We call ourselves "Brothers/Sisters" of the leaf.
To Me that means sometimes helping in ANY way we can.
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#18 Posted: Tue, Nov 24 2009, 1:54 PM EST
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RE #14

True, once you gift a cigar, it's that recipients to do with as they please, even if it was given under false pretences. But that's really only part of the issue here. Repeated ardent untruthful denials that these were not gifted cigars and associated dodgy behavior and actions to avoid the fact that they were gifted cigars WAS the true issue.

Anyone can fall on hard times and have to do things that they don't want to, but that is not a justification for the afforementioned behavior and one would hope that the people who were friends enough to gift the cigars in the first place at least deserve the decency of a truthfull explanation. Let's face it, they're just material posessions they come and go like the wind, is honesty and friendship so fleeting that it's worth less than the sale of a few Opus X's and Padrons?

As I see it, that's what really chapped a few britches.
tj2001cobra Offline
#19 Posted: Tue, Nov 24 2009, 2:17 PM EST
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My $.02.

He got himself into this position. I'm not going to congratulate him or give him praise for apologizing. Apologize, move on, do whatever, but quit being a gd martyr/crybaby.

Almost everything you've posted since you;ve been back here the last week or so turns to "I wish I could but I cant because of blah blah blah". Shut up and deal with it. If you want or need help, ask for it, but quit coming here and whining all of the damn time.

I just opened the Secret Santa thread and look... It's Vankie whining about not being able to participate.

Look, we get it. You are broke. So are Millions of others. Deal with it and quit trying to play the sympathy card.

And as for lying and insinuating you were trying to buy gifts for your family and not your wife (which most would automatically assume you were buying for your kids), that is bull****. I have no respect for that. I'll be damned if you will get anything from me whether you suck it up and start acting like a man or not. That just pisses me off.
cigarhew Offline
#20 Posted: Tue, Nov 24 2009, 2:32 PM EST
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copy and paste from the other thread ...

I don’t want to dip my nose where it doesn’t belong but I’m going to have to agree with you here.

And what pains me is that people are thanking him, applauding him, and commending him for his honesty?

Seriously? The only reason he admitted to it was to try and save face after being busted. That is NOT honesty. Honesty is being honest from the start. You can’t ever be honest after starting off on a lie.

This is none of my business so I’ll step out now.
brand22 Offline
#21 Posted: Tue, Nov 24 2009, 2:32 PM EST
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^^^ what he said. I just think that it's annoying as all hell. Find another hobby that is either more affordable to your current situation or doesn't take advantage of other people being good people. Not sure why everyone is sticking up for this guy. He threw out some "come to Jesus" statement after he was already called out. Come on it's kind of pathetic. Alright I'm going to grab a 5 Vegas A and some Captain Morgan. Everyone enjoy the holidays this week.
ZRX1200 Offline
#22 Posted: Tue, Nov 24 2009, 9:26 PM EST
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Well if y'all read above "forgiving" replies nobody seems to know or have delt with the guy. If your pissed at him fine, I have no problem minding my own business. But if your ^ gonna call our comments out please post link to specific thread so that we can see.

I don't believe anyone was forgiving a betrayal of friendship or trust. I think these were comments complimenting some painful honesty. Now if it was on false pretenses let me know.
andytv Offline
#23 Posted: Tue, Nov 24 2009, 9:39 PM EST
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wait a minute.........if they were given to you, then they are YOUR cigars.

You should be able to do whatever you want with them, but you shouldn't have acted like a douche by blowing smoke up everyone's ass either.

I mean, ****.....are we supposed to smoke every cigar someone has ever given us?? I've traded plenty of gifted cigars away. Some knowingly and some I just lost track of where I got them.

So....if I have a half dozen gifted cigars that I might not smoke, can't I trade them for a few that I will? And if I can do that, then can't I sell them to get cash to buy some cigars I really want? And if I don't really want cigars, can't I use the money to buy gas and food for my family...or for myself.....or just buy porn or booze?

Hey listen up.......if anyone here becomes truly offended if someone takes a cigar that they gave away and sells it, trades it, or sticks it up their ass...then you should keep your cigars and smoke them yourself. ****...I'll bet a lot of cigars that are given away are ones that someone didn't really want anyway.

(I am sure others here agree.......but I am too lazy to read all of this stuff)
cigarhew Offline
#24 Posted: Tue, Nov 24 2009, 10:09 PM EST
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I don't think that is why most of the people are angry at him.

I believe most are fine with the fact of selling or re-gifting.

However, it is him saying things like this:

As for what MrsSledn is talking about...it is really just a big mix up. The people on the other board think I am either trying to sell cigars that were gifted to me or just trying to get pity in order to get free cigars...NEITHER is true...and I don’t understand why people won’t believe me.

then he goes on to post:

This whole thing is making me sick...literally.

I will say this again...nothing I have done is a scam...I WOULD NOT sell cigars gifted to me...and I don’t care about the cigars or the money...just the friends that I have made over this last year...that is all.

then:

All I want is for someone to believe me... I do not understand why it is so hard for people to believe the truth that comes from my words...

then:

That is all I want. I have told 100% truth here and do not understand why everyone wants to call me a liar.


So ... he lied, numerous times, and kept trying to fight until the end saying that he wasn't lying. He never admitted he was lying until he was cornered with absolutely no way out. He's trying to save face, but he has no face to save in my opinion.
fishinguitarman Offline
#25 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2009, 1:01 AM EST
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MMmmmmm...WOW!


Chase is basically a pretty good guy, but he's one that seems to have trouble follow him around like a little puppy.....


Over to CM now to see what's up there.......
twisted Offline
#26 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2009, 3:51 AM EST
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..five Our Fathers, ten Hail Mary's,...can't we waterboard him first?
JohnE1000 Offline
#27 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2009, 4:10 AM EST
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I totally agree with TJ post #19

I believed you Vankie, when you asked for someone to believe you, because I didn't have a reason to believe otherwise, but now I do.

You kept on lying repeatedly. You confessed only after you got busted here and in the other forum - I read the other forum. You tried to talk your way out of it with BS, and it didn't work. I don't give you credit whatsoever, because you got caught red handed.

In fact, I don't think you have financial troubles at all. I think you have been trying to play and take advantage of the generous BOTH all along. All of your posts here and on the other forum are full of lies and asking for sympathy.

As I said in the other thread. If you are truly sorry, donate all of the cigars your received to the troops. They didn't belong to you. This will not warrant you forgiveness here, but you may be able live better with yourself.

I think you are young and stupid. Just remember, KARMA is a bitch.
duwan Offline
#28 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2009, 4:14 AM EST
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f%$k him, let's move on shall we.
fishinguitarman Offline
#29 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2009, 4:15 AM EST
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I can't find the thread here or on CM eveybodys talking about ...

Little help?

fishinguitarmanATyahooDOTcom
youngda9 Offline
#30 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2009, 4:15 AM EST
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"I am starting to see what real friendship is about."

Are you for real. This is a chat forum, nobody here is your friend. Just people chatting about cigars.

Much respect for apologizing but there was absolutely no need. You thought about doing something wrong and then didn't. You seem like a real douche for airing your inner struggle on the forum to your "friends".
fishinguitarman Offline
#31 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2009, 4:18 AM EST
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30. Author: youngda9 Date: 11/25/2009 09:15 AM Reply
"I am starting to see what real friendship is about."

Are you for real. This is a chat forum, nobody here is your friend. Just people chatting about cigars.





WOW! Do YOU have any friends?

I've made a PILE of friends here.............
VankieC7 Offline
#32 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2009, 4:20 AM EST
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^^^Before I get the chance to answer all thoughts...I have to answer this right away.

When I say friends...I mean all of the friends I made on the other board. Yes they are my friends, we have herfed and camped together and I consider them to be as family to me. I would like to say that I have some friends on here as well...but I haven't had the chance to meet any of you yet, and I hope that changes in the years to come.

I will not be going anywhere...I will make this up to anyone and everyone that I have made angry.
VankieC7 Offline
#33 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2009, 4:20 AM EST
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My response was to #30.
JadeRose Offline
#34 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2009, 4:21 AM EST
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^^Wow.....you, my friend, are a total dip****. There are lifelong friendships here. This is a GREAt community that helps each other, laughs, argues, and cares about each other. There are very few people that I would not jump on a plane to go to if they asked me for help and others would do it for me. Stick around and find that out for yourself.
JadeRose Offline
#35 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2009, 4:22 AM EST
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34 for 30
duwan Offline
#36 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2009, 4:23 AM EST
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^ For some people this may very well be just a chat forum. For the majority of posters, I think it is something a little more than that. This is a place where real friendships are made, and I consider most of the folks around here my friends. This forum is no different than say going down to the local cafe or drug store, sitting around with your friends, and enjoying a fine smoke. Just because we are not physically in the same place doesn't mean that these people are not my friends.
duwan Offline
#37 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2009, 4:24 AM EST
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36 for 30
youngda9 Offline
#38 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2009, 4:27 AM EST
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"real friendships" ?

You people only type what you want others to hear.

You don't know that poster #? hits his girlfriend, that poster #? is a career criminal, and that poster #? is only on here hoping to get some free cigars to sell and make $$.

These aren't the type of "real friends" that you would hang out with in real life. You don't know these people, truely.
youngda9 Offline
#39 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2009, 4:30 AM EST
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Oh, and poster #? is locked up in prison for child molestation.

You don't know these people.
topper7788 Offline
#40 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2009, 4:30 AM EST
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the hooks out,, anyone biting??
VankieC7 Offline
#41 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2009, 4:30 AM EST
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38

If you did not read the above comments...many of us on the other board and many on here have met before...herfed together and know each other's families. It is much, much more than just a chat forum. Which is why I came clean...I feel like I lied to my family...which feels like crap!
fishinguitarman Offline
#42 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2009, 4:33 AM EST
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38. Author: youngda9 Date: 11/25/2009 09:27 AM Reply
"real friendships" ?

You people only type what you want others to hear.

You don’t know that poster #? hits his girlfriend, that poster #? is a career criminal, and that poster #? is only on here hoping to get some free cigars to sell and make $$.

These aren’t the type of "real friends" that you would hang out with in real life. You don’t know these people, truely.





Hey dumbass....I've met and hang with many of the people here as do hoards of others...A dozen or so have been to my cabin and fished in my lake...
SHEESH!

(i was wondering when a new troll would show up here)
youngda9 Offline
#43 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2009, 4:33 AM EST
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You said you thought about selling them and then didn't.

Why all of the drama if you didn't do it???
duwan Offline
#44 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2009, 4:33 AM EST
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^38 You are correct sir, I don't know if you are some dickhead hanging out on this forum just to incite trouble or if you are really a good person.

Oh well.
youngda9 Offline
#45 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2009, 4:35 AM EST
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#42 I didn't realize that you actually got together with people. My opologies.

Still too much drama over thinking about something and then NOT doing it.
fishinguitarman Offline
#46 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2009, 4:35 AM EST
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I'm guessin' dickhead
csiegels Offline
#47 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2009, 4:42 AM EST
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I've been laying low on this topic, but here's my comments to you Vankie, then I'm stepping out of this ...

You did a pretty stupid thing, followed by another stupider thing, and each time you comment, or try to defend yourself, it feels more and more like BS. If its truly your goal, earning trust and 'friendship' here is going to be a long hard road for you.

Time will tell if you can move past this and do the right thing.
USM_Eagle Offline
#48 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2009, 5:21 AM EST
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haha, youngda9 and FGM's banter is great.

I'm still a noob here but youngda9 all you had to do is look in any forum on here (well maybe not misc) and you can see threads of Herfs planned and herfs attended.

I know you just wrote your retraction but seriously how did you miss that?
VankieC7 Offline
#49 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2009, 5:25 AM EST
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If I didn't make it clear before...I don't want anymore cigars from others...in hopes that people will understand the sincerity of what I am saying.

None of this is a ruse or whatever else you may want to call it.

I know that I messed up bad...I backed myself into a corner and I will pay for what I did (by losing trust and friends). However somebody said something in another post or thread that I feel very strongly about...at some point you have to come clean and make turn for the better. That is what I am trying to do here. The only lie in this whole situation came from whether I was trying to sell the cigars I was gifted or if I bought them. I admit...this was a 100% lie...and now I am facing it. I have no clue why I lied...I think for a while I just believed my lie because this has been going on for a long time..meaning that it has been over a month that I offered my friend from church to buy my cigars...and it didn't feel good then...but I convinced myself that it was okay because how desperately we needed the cash.

As for those that think I am still lying...I will prove to you that I am not. It may not be today, or tomorrow, or next week, but I will prove to you who I really am and that there is more to me than just this lie.

For those that do not want to forgive me...I completely understand. I will always try to fix this...even knowing that it may never come to fruition.

For those that have already forgiven me...I thank you from the bottom of my heart. I hope someday we can meet and herf together.

As for those that feel I have been fishing for cigars...I apologize for coming off that way. It was never my intention, however when reading through old posts I can definitely see where everyone is coming from. I will try my hardest to never post anything like that again. AND I will stop my whining as well.
Slimboli Offline
#50 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2009, 6:01 AM EST
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lOOK ... we live in America. The land of the FREE. If this person wishes to sell his cigars (regardless of where he got them from) ... that is his right.

If he wants to 'fish' for cigars ... let him do his thing (not saying that he did). You don't have to send him any if you don't want to participate in his venture. Those that want to send him cigars ... once he gets them ... they belong to him to do with what ever he pleases.

It's that simple.

Times are tough ... and people are resorting to a lot of different methods to make extra money right now. Nothing wrong with being an entrepreneur.
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