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The USA will paying for the Clinton's and their lifestyles for many years, in more ways than one! Too damn bad that they both had to get elected! Charlie

Yes, since the angelic little child, is over 21! Charlie

By the way, Chelsea is a canine. Had to throw that in.

Todog: they all get pensions forever. dol's wife receives a pension from the government and the red cross. don't forget the senators who resigned in disgrace still get there pensions.

RICKAMAVEN & Daveyg2... Man, after reading your e-mails between each other about the Bill Clinton I have a suggestion. You both should agree to meet somewhere and exchange bodily fluids and get it over with. I wonder how it is to live in such delusional state you both reside in.

You both are CLUELESS when it comes to our Government and the Economy. The Executive branch has very little to do with the success of the economy. This is really determined by the Congress and the Federal Reserve. During economic growth experienced during the Clinton years, the Republicans controlled congress. If you were smart enough to look at the growth of the economy during the Clinton years you would see the majority of the economic growth was in step with when the Republicans had the majority in Congress. They passed laws that the investing communities supported which resulted in consumer confidence (i.e. Welfare Reform and the Balanced Budget legislation) and more investing and buying. The Fed Reserve provided low interest rates which also keep more money rolling into business for expansion and hiring.

THE only thing Clinton did was get out of the way and ride the wave (among other things). He now takes credit for the economy and worked against the main legislations that created conditions for the economy to soar. When he signed the Welfare Reform Bill he stated that ..." it goes to far...” and when he signed the Balanced Budget legislation he stated that it was ".financially irresponsible and balancing the budget on the backs of the poor...”. You can't name ONE thing that Clinton proposed, championed and then got congress to pass into law that was great for our country. The only thing that he and Hilary tried to get passed was government run healthcare which was a Disaster. He was SCUM before he was President Womanizer, Draft Dodger, and Lier), he was SCUM while he was President (THE MOST CORRUPT ADMINISTRATION IN US HISTORY) and he is still SCUM.

Anyway back to my original point. You both should meet and do the dirty deed and bask afterglow the feeling that Liberals like your selves are trying to realize by trying to F*** our Country with your warped agenda (Can you say Pledge of Allegiance)

CCBAXTER... I don't think any new laws were passed by the Republicans that allowed these crooks to screw everyone. If this was the case the Dems. would have already had numerous press conferences to point this out to everyone. There is no question that there is something wrong with a financial reporting system that allows publicly traded company executives to do this. There should be real long jail time for the executives, accountants and lawyers involved. So, to your point it's a real stretch to try and tie the Republicans to these scandals.

Likewise GT, I think it’s a real stretch to try to pin all kinds of crap on Slick Willie. The real problem is that both parties are two sides of the same coin. We are fooling ourselves to believe that we really are choosing between two candidates with discernable differences. The business of this government is business, and to hell with the regular people. Here in MN we voted in Jesse Ventura for Governor 4 years ago. He was the wrong guy to try to start a third party movement, but he sure did throw a monkey wrench into political business as usual. What we found out is that the R’s and D’s have nothing to offer but a whole bunch of finger pointing and lip service.

Daveyg2, Slick Willy simply was in the right place at the right time. Can you say "Republican controlled Congress"? They were responsible for all of the wonderful legislation that was passed during this period that you speak. Can you say dot.com? Clinton, again, was in the right place at the right time with the economic boom! I only disagree with one of the responses to your post about Clinton's administration being the most corrupt in history. I think that Nixon still has dibs on that one with Clinton a close second!

Good thread. We all know that both parties have their share of losers and scumbags. The overall picture, however, is the general party line: Republicans want "pro business" legislation in order to improve the economy. Call it "Trickle down" or whatever, the result is the same. More profits = more employed. The Dems want "feel good" legislation to help the meek. In theory, a great cause, but we're getting to a point where the recipients will outweigh the tax payers. The Dems have made it evil to turn a profit, and the news media eat it up. Let's face it, the Enron execs didn't get rich because of Republican enforced laws. They got rich because they BROKE the laws. And they will serve a LONG time in jail. Unless a liberal lawyer can get them off...

GT, by the way. I just actually finished reading your babbling rant and let me tell you something. The ONLY THING that keeps this economy going is comsumer confidence and consumer spending. Thats the ONLY thing that keeps business going. thats the ONLY thing that promotes business (or there wouldnt be businesses to sell things). You really arent very intelligent. economics will prove that the biggest and most important factor in the economy is the people in this country that buy things.

Now, i dont have an agenda you republican garbage. talk about an agenda. you want to know what my agenda is? its seeing that even schmucks like you have a job and are able to afford cigars to smoke. dont put words in my mouth just because you dont know how to use yours. You want me to name one thing that Clinton passed? O.K. a tax break for College students and tuition reimbursement. without that, there are a lot of college kids who cant afford to go. is that a simple enough example for a simple mind? dont call me names when the only fool here is you.

Daveyg2... Work on that reading comprehension of your. I will try and help you now read SLOWLY. People use money to buy things, they spend money when they have disposable income and confidence in the economy, they get money and jobs from their employers, employers hire people and expand their business when low interest capital is available and people are buying, employers invest in expansion of their business when they think it is the BEST way to make money, the Federal Reserve keeps it going by regulating the money flow (i.e. low interest rates, etc.), Government creates a environment that encourages investment in the economy (i.e. lower taxes and less govt. regulations). This is what was responsible for the great economy during the time the Republicans controlled Congress.

AS for the CLINTON Administration: You question if it was the most corrupt Admin ever. Only 2nd. President ever to get impeached. His admin; 5 cabinet members investigated, 55 criminal charges, 32 convictions. (Do your reschesrch.) ,selling of pardons, etc. ENOUGH SAID, that’s some HERO you have

... Please show me an Admin. that even comes close to CLINTON. NO admin. in history has the slime associated with it that CLINTON had. The typical defense of CLINTON is everyone else did it for everything. There is no question that he abused his power like no President has ever done. I am no Republican mouth piece; I am actually a registered Independent. I must however speak up when someone says that CLINTON was “a darn good President”. There is no question that big money has controlled both Dems and Rep politicians in the past and I sure in the future this will go on. What must happen is to go after the people that get caught. I know our system needs work but please tell me who has a better one. As for the pardons, this should not be allowed as a last minute thing that a President can do to pay off favors, period.

I’m no defender of Bill Clinton. He was a great disappointment to me as a president. However if I have to choose between a guy who violated the law by selling weapons to our enemies, laundering drug money, running black op assassination teams, diverting funds to secret wars, and a guy in a sham marriage getting a hummer from a chick in his office, I’ll take the sex fiend every day.
As far as a better system, I don’t think there is one. But that is no excuse to let a batch of low life scumbags run rampant in it.
And I completely agree that Presidential clemency should be done away with.

Thank you CC! Finally my point! Other administrations have done so much worse!!!!! Reagan was friggin riddiculous!! You cant hang the guy for sex charges. Thats riddiculous. GT, If you want to argue point about real issues then do so.

What was the Paula Jones Civil suit about? The reason why Regean wasnt impeached is because that was before an era where Presidents werent under such B.S. scruitiny. Presidents were impeached for real reasons. Not lying about sex and bullsh*t like that.

Okay, thanks to GT for cutting through the crap and getting to the real point. The lying was the thing I hated the most. If he had come out and said, “Hey, I’m married to a cold, heartless mackerel that hates my guts and I haven’t touched her in ten years, so I strayed. I apologize.” I’d have been cool with that. That would never have happened for two reasons. The holier that thou republicans still would tried to pin him to the wall, so he tried to weasel. Secondly, our insanely prurient national interest in all things sexual would have insured that he would never get anything important done again. So he weaseled. It killed his presidency anyway. When history looks back on it however, I wonder how he’ll be judged. Thomas Jefferson, JFK, Roosevelt, Ike, and many other presidents were getting’ some on the side, but only serious historians ever seem to care about that. We all know the reason Reagan wasn’t impeached was he had guys falling on swords all over the place to protect him. He had plausible deniability. Hey, he just didn’t know what was going on. Ken Lay musta read Ronnie’s book!

I thought Monica was kind of cute!

Im the last person to say that Bill wasnt an as* for lying. In fact i was severely disappointed in him. We all know that. To say he wasnt a great President with charisma and intelligence is robbing him of what credit he is due. I do not think that there has been a president in a long time who has done what he has done for us and I am not talking negatively. The man had sex on the side like pretty much every other President we ever had. Get over it. Whats more important to me is the JOB he's doing in the OFFICE, not the JOB hes doing in the BEDROOM.

you guys need to learn something about the law. --- clinton did not lie.--- sexual relations was specifically defined and a bj was not included in the definition, ergo he did not lie in the context of the legal definition.---it is about the letter of the law, not your personal opinion, or your distaste of the man.---

Rickamaven is technically right. Thats why he was kicked is because of the letter of the law and he knew what he could get away with (being that Bill was a lawyer). He technically didnt lie, but he morally lied and thats what got everyone pissed off.

Rickamaven, if she was my daughter, do you think that I would be more right in calling her ugly? If it were my child that were called that, I probably would not like it. No matter what you say or I say, i'm wrong for calling her ugly. I admit that I am wrong. It doesnt change the fact that she is. I also dont think that I am the minority in thinking that way. Hey, I'm wrong, what can I do.

So, everyone here has paid every cent technically owed to the IRS?

Rick I don't think you, of all people, have any right to chastise anyone for making rude comments about a presidents daughter/s.JMHO Happy independence day all!

CCBAXTER --exactly.

E-Chick ---not only is it a right, it is a responsibility of every citizen to pay the least amount of tax. tax:3. A burdensome or excessive demand; a strain.