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goldengoose7 Offline
#1 Posted: Tue, Jul 16 2002, 11:27 AM EST
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Whats going on with these guys bidding on the ENTIRE lot quanity in every auction that they enter???? Don't tell me they want 10 Gringo III packages, 5 digital hygrometers and 4 boxes of the same cigar every time they bid!! It is really starting to PISS me off!

I have noticed one user who I will not mention here that bids for the entire quantity of everything they bid on. I don't know what this clown thinks he is accomplishing by doing this, but by shutting out everyone else from the lot all he is doing to guaranteeing that the lot is going to sell for at least his bid limit! if it is within reason, which is usually is!

Either that guy is a retailer that is trying to get stuff lower than his wholesale price (with him in the auction FORGET IT!), someone who thinks that this retarded technique is some kind of ingenious way to scam the system ,or a plant for CB out to prop up the winning bid price of their auctions.

Anyone else seeing this going on? Should I complain to CB about this bidder's selfish technique?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#2 Posted: Tue, Jul 16 2002, 11:56 AM EST
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GG7, you've just been introduced to the Golden Rule. He who has the gold can make the rules. I know it doesn't make it right, and I've seen it before too. Free enterprise, gotta love it!
goldengoose7 Offline
#3 Posted: Tue, Jul 16 2002, 12:04 PM EST
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I have yet to see this person actually WIN one of these auctions. They usually end up getting knocked out at the last minute, but every auction they enter closes with a higher bid price than the same lot the pervious time.

My point being, that nothing is accomplished other than this person getting IN THE WAY of serious bidders

If this person HAD the GOLD, I seriously doubt they would be using such a LAME and obviously useless technique to score stuff at a good price.
miamibum Offline
#4 Posted: Tue, Jul 16 2002, 12:18 PM EST
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GG7:
I think you find most, if not all, of what they do win will show up on a competing non-business-to-consumer auction site. Some of these guys that are bidding over here in the manner you have described have a side business auctioning smokes on that board. I think it stinks, but there is little, if anything, that can be done. Cheers!!!
BMW Offline
#5 Posted: Tue, Jul 16 2002, 12:21 PM EST
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I've seen bidding on all the lots as a strategy here before. Say you get in early and there are multiple lots, bid them all fast and low. Here's where it gets tricky. If you're lucky you may end up with 1 at a decent price hoping that other bidders will bid them away from you, otherwise you get them all. I've seen it work for some people, pay $35 and everyone else pays$40 or more. Of course some people may have other reasons (retailers looking for a deal, stupid people, or someone with money that wants them all really bad). Barry
goldengoose7 Offline
#6 Posted: Tue, Jul 16 2002, 1:00 PM EST
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That sucks about the scammers auctioning their winnings on another site.

How I wish people would bother to do a little pricing research instead of allowing themselves to be ripped off.

I think in this case it is just a STUPID person who somehow thinks they have come up with a "cunning plan" to win auctions at a lower price. As I said, not only are they not accomplishing their goal, they are costing all of the other bidders money due to their stupid concept that by bidding on the whole lot, they are going to scare other bidders away.

Everytime I see an auction with this idiot involved, I add it to my watch list, hoping that one of these days, this clown is going to get stuck with 10 of something at at retail! ;o)
goldengoose7 Offline
#7 Posted: Tue, Jul 16 2002, 1:09 PM EST
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I forgot to add that anyone that thinks this technique works is SADLY MISTAKEN.

You are far more likely to get the item at a lower price by bidding on a single and keeping your fingers crossed that it takes a while to attract enough bidders to start pushing your auto-bid button.

By bidding on the entire quantity, all you are accomplishing is a guaranteed JUMP of the lot's high bid to your bid limit if the item in question is popular and your bid limit is within the range most people would set their own bid limit.

This isn't rocket science, but I think the situation helps demonstrate that some people SHOULD NOT be allowed to use the internet until they pass an IQ test! ;o)
xrundog Offline
#8 Posted: Tue, Jul 16 2002, 2:38 PM EST
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Like the saying goes at the poker table: "Bid your own hand". You can't depend on what a sucker will do. I had a guy go off on me once on the blackjack table at a casino in Vegas. Seems I didn't play the way he wanted me to. You can probably guess what my reply to him was. Nothing against you GG. Sometimes you just gotta bitch.
goldengoose7 Offline
#9 Posted: Tue, Jul 16 2002, 2:47 PM EST
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I think the thing that bugs me the most about this practice is how incredibly SELFISH it is.

I would NEVER bid on a quantity of items I really didn't want or need just to save a few bucks while screwing all the other bidders in the process.

If the technique actually worked that would be one thing, but this dork hasn't won't a single fricking auction he has started with this BS. All he has accomplished is to push the price of the winning bid into the double digits within minutes of the opening bell!

I am sure KARMA will get the better of him sooner or later. ;o)
EI Offline
#10 Posted: Tue, Jul 16 2002, 3:02 PM EST
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It also seems to me that if you just wait a week or two, the same lots keep reapearing. So if you wait it out you can usually just pick it up at a later date after the RUN on it is over,so multi quanity bidding is not neccesary to get a good price. Off the subject a little but I also notice that most people dont factor in the shipping charges when they talk about the "great" price they got on an item
Rdell Offline
#11 Posted: Tue, Jul 16 2002, 3:13 PM EST
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Who is this bidder?
Slimboli Offline
#12 Posted: Tue, Jul 16 2002, 3:16 PM EST
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You've got to remember also, many retailers buy stuff here to stock their shelves at their 'brick and mortar'. I see the same ones bidding on a lot of merchandise. If they win, a lot of times they can get it cheaper than they can wholesale ...

Nothing can be done about it, really.
donutboy2000 Offline
#13 Posted: Tue, Jul 16 2002, 3:31 PM EST
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Place your bid when the auction opens.
eleltea Offline
#14 Posted: Tue, Jul 16 2002, 3:32 PM EST
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My dogma chases karmas.
BMW Offline
#15 Posted: Tue, Jul 16 2002, 3:41 PM EST
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Hey, your Karma hit my Dogma!
GG, like it was said, just wait a week and usully the same lot will come up fo bid again, If you're persistant you'll get a decent deal. I won a bid on the El Grande Humidor for $90 after loosing 5 or 6 times at prices twice that. Never give up! Barry
KLACTO Offline
#16 Posted: Tue, Jul 16 2002, 3:42 PM EST
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Sadly, it's not just one bidder... there seems to be a rash of these pricks lately. I can identify three: one in CA, one in NY, and another in GA.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#17 Posted: Tue, Jul 16 2002, 3:54 PM EST
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---KLACTO--- when i bid on a lot that i want, i ususally bid on 1 less than the lot to give someone else a chance to win one (chinese fellow i know). i trust i am not the prick you are talking about.
cwilhelmi Offline
#18 Posted: Tue, Jul 16 2002, 4:20 PM EST
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I've been getting a lot of stuff as of late(too much screamed my CC!!), but rest assured, CW in San francisco is my handle and I'm no retailer... Chris
goldengoose7 Offline
#19 Posted: Tue, Jul 16 2002, 5:02 PM EST
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The guy's handle is AM from Providence RI.

If this guy is reading this, I hope he gets a clue and knocks it off, UNLESS he really wants to win all those things. As for the waiting for the next lot to appear, sometimes I want to get something to go with another item for a weekly shipment and thus, I don't want to wait another week. I try to bid early, but once in awhile I am away when something I want opens.
delarob Offline
#20 Posted: Tue, Jul 16 2002, 5:23 PM EST
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Let me float a thought past ya....

Every now and again, take the box price of a certain cigar you would buy, and compare the amount of 5ers it would take, and what the avg price of those are. Occ., you can pick up a box, or get enough to replenish your box, at a lower cost. (inc shipping. 4-5 5ers with a sampler is only 2-2.5)

goldengoose7 Offline
#21 Posted: Tue, Jul 16 2002, 5:31 PM EST
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I am talking about things like Hygrometers, Otter Boxes and humidors. I can see the 5-pack thing making sense, in fact I bid multiples on those.

My beef is with the jokers that bid on entire lots of items that would be hard to imagine a single individual needing that many of.

Either this guys is a retailer with a VERY poor sense of judgement(since this bidder has yet to win any auctions I have been following), some sorry dweeb that thinks this technique will actually land him a lower than normal wining bid, or a CB SPY! ;o) I will go with the DWEEB accessment in this case.
EI Offline
#22 Posted: Tue, Jul 16 2002, 5:35 PM EST
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Unmask and name the scallywags
and we'll make them walk the plank. RRRRRRR
daveyg2 Offline
#23 Posted: Tue, Jul 16 2002, 7:33 PM EST
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id mention what i think is going on here but i will probably be yelled at. did you ever think that certain people may not want their items to go too cheap? the company could lose money you know...use your heads and think of motive
GetYourOwn Offline
#24 Posted: Tue, Jul 16 2002, 8:07 PM EST
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That would be unethical Davey. Maybe its Gonz. They give him a few smokes to make his pick of the month from and now he wants all of the cigars!
I bet its dealers and auctioners. That guy from Irvine CA spends a ton of money here. As long as they stay away from my El Gozos I will be happy.
Sorry Goose, the deals are here.
daveyg2 Offline
#25 Posted: Tue, Jul 16 2002, 8:14 PM EST
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Im not saying it is. If i knew who they were, we wouldnt be guessing about this now would we?
donutboy2000 Offline
#26 Posted: Tue, Jul 16 2002, 10:47 PM EST
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Are you, for example, talking about something like the Oliva Ovation 5 pack currently bidding?
jjohnson28 Offline
#27 Posted: Tue, Jul 16 2002, 11:30 PM EST
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OK just for clarification.I'm JJ of Lake Forest(Not Irvine)and I don't recognize the initials TG.You guys aint gonna over bid me now are you.LOL.....Just for the hell of it I'm gonna bid $15 on them smokes right now all 4 pks.I don't smoke that size "o". I like the Omni's but here goes anyways.I'm telling you fuggers they better sell beyond that $ or I'm takin' names.Here goes! Nope! chickened out but I'm sure they'll go at $15 not sure about $17.
KLACTO Offline
#28 Posted: Wed, Jul 17 2002, 2:15 AM EST
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No Rick, it wasn't you I was referring to. I'm sure that the regulars here are all wise enough to bid with a little common sense.
goldengoose7 Offline
#29 Posted: Wed, Jul 17 2002, 2:50 AM EST
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I did raise the possibility of a PLANT from CB sent out to equailize the auctions, but as was said, that would be highly unethical and unprofessional of them, so I seriously doubt that is whats going on.

We are seeing the effects of very unsubtle retailers and EBAY thieves at work here, and the occasional DOPE who thinks he has found a sure fire way to get himself a deal!

I have about reached my limit of cigars for the next 30-60 days, (I have purchased over 150 cigars from CB in the last 2 weeks!) so I won't be bidding much for awhile, but I mainly wanted to alert the rest of you guys to this GROWING practice and to see if it pissed you off as much as it does me.

Perhaps you won't really care until it happens on one of your favorite products a couple of times in a row! ;o)
plabonte Offline
#30 Posted: Wed, Jul 17 2002, 3:56 AM EST
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Goldengoose would you like some cheese to go with your whine?
mhollowa Offline
#31 Posted: Wed, Jul 17 2002, 4:00 AM EST
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..well it ain't me. I did bid and win a multiple lot one-of-a-kind sampler a while back because I wanted more than one one-of-a-kind cigar to "sample". But this has been a lively thread. Thieves, clowns, fuggers, scammers, scallywags. Either somebody's got the thersarus out or this market is getting to be a really tough place.
EI Offline
#32 Posted: Wed, Jul 17 2002, 5:16 AM EST
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how about scoundrels,rogues,cads,bounders,near-do-wells
and rapscallions. Not to mention larceinous vagabonds,and scum sucking bottom dwellers
Gentleman, it appears we have Gypsy's in the Palace
goldengoose7 Offline
#33 Posted: Wed, Jul 17 2002, 6:28 AM EST
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"Goldengoose would you like some cheese to go with your whine? "

Hey Plabonte!

I truly hope you are the next person to encounter the practice on a item you need to buy for a date sensitive gift, forcing your auto-bid to its MAX because of one of these jerk offs!! You're initials don't happen to be AM are they? ;o)
goldengoose7 Offline
#34 Posted: Wed, Jul 17 2002, 6:47 AM EST
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http://www.cigarbid.com/...ion/lot.cfm?lotID=63133

A good example of the downside of being a PIG! ;o)
Mr.Mean Offline
#35 Posted: Wed, Jul 17 2002, 7:16 AM EST
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Amazing. Especially for a cigar that I think sucks!
plabonte Offline
#36 Posted: Wed, Jul 17 2002, 7:39 AM EST
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No my initials would happen to be PL as in P Labonte. Its an auction. People have a right to bid what they want on as many items as they want. I get upset when I get outbid here or on e-bay or whereever. But that is the nature of an auction. Sometimes you get a good deal, sometimes you get the shaft. What this other person is doing is perfectly legit on this site. Whining about it is like someone whining that someone else is smoking a cigar in the smoking section of a restaurant and they just don't like it.
SteveS Offline
#37 Posted: Wed, Jul 17 2002, 7:53 AM EST
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A couple of thoughts about the example cited above ... I like the Punch Rare Corojo and in fact, had one just last night ... I DON'T understand is why someone would bid so high for so many? I mean even here in CA, I can buy that particular cigar on a one at a time basis in a local store for very little more than the most recent bid + s/h ... finally, while it sometimes irritates me to have someone else grab all or most of a particular lot that I've bid on part of, doing so is perfectly legitimate. I don't bid that way myself, but if for some presently unseen reason I chose to do so, it would (and should) be my prerogative.
ceo Offline
#38 Posted: Wed, Jul 17 2002, 8:07 AM EST
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The bid on lot #63133 is what keeps this site going.If
the bidder knew what is what he would know that a 5 pack sells for $18 on the home site.
ceo Offline
#39 Posted: Wed, Jul 17 2002, 8:11 AM EST
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Well that was last nite. Now they are not listed.
Go figure.
ceo Offline
#40 Posted: Wed, Jul 17 2002, 8:16 AM EST
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They list the Punch Rare Corojo Rothchild in the new flyer for $15 a 5 pack so the pita is not much more.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#41 Posted: Wed, Jul 17 2002, 9:11 AM EST
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plabonte --you have nailed it, whine, whine , whine. --"somebody knows how to bid better than me, it isn't fair." --"must be insider bidding."--ad nauseam. --guys, some people pay more than we think they should, so what.--it's their own business.--if you don't like this auction, go to your local cigar store.--auctions are not run by marquis of queensberry rules.
plabonte Offline
#42 Posted: Wed, Jul 17 2002, 9:23 AM EST
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Well if Rick agrees with me I must be right (and according to my wife that isn't often). It sucks when you get outbid but that is the nature of the beast.
goldengoose7 Offline
#43 Posted: Wed, Jul 17 2002, 9:48 AM EST
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The reason I listed the Punch auction was to demonstrate that if someone gets your number as a HOG bidder (and someone obviously got this guy's!), one of these days you are going to have the privilage of paying 35% OVER retail for one of your greedy little bidding stunts. I hope that chump enjoys his $5.50 PITAS! LOL!!

The guy is going to pay 35 bucks over retail for a box, and he doesn't even get the box! As Nelson on the Simpsons would say....Haaahh Hahh!
br>If you want to call me a whiner for pointing out a fast growing trend, then thats your problem. Bidding better than me? Give me a fricking break! These guys rarely win an auction, all they do is drive up the prices!
br>As I said, I hope you pompous asses are the first ones to deal with one of these jerks in your next high stakes auction.
br>Just keep your WHINING to yourself! ;o)
plabonte Offline
#44 Posted: Wed, Jul 17 2002, 10:02 AM EST
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I'm not pompous but I have been called an ass a few times. Ok maybe more then a few times.

Goldengoose, you don't like that this guy is bidding on everything and not wining the bid. So why don't YOU drive up his bid but not enough to win. He will win a bunch of the lots at a high price. We probably can't afford to win forever. That way you beat him at his own game.

Either that or wait for the next auction. There are always more cigars.
eleltea Offline
#45 Posted: Wed, Jul 17 2002, 10:27 AM EST
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I am pi$$ed off at people who outbid me except for the times that I am relieved. Boys and girls, none of us have a right to win any bid at all, and CB has a right to rub their hands with glee over how much they can get for some of their surplus without a pistol and a mask. Try looking from both sides. I have had winning bids on some good gars here, and some I wish I had been outbid. It's only an auction.

An auctioneer is a scoundrel who announces with a hammer that he has just picked your pocket with his tongue. ---Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary
SteveS Offline
#46 Posted: Wed, Jul 17 2002, 10:51 AM EST
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LLT, you're sure right about sometimes WANTING to be outbid ... lol ... yesterday, I bid on several lots in which I had interest ... I bid pretty conservatively, planning, even KNOWING that I'd be outbid on some, most or perhaps even ALL of them ... you can imagine my surprise to find I'd actually won them all !! ... that's only happened to me once before ... where are the overbidders when you need 'em? I sure could've used some yesterday ... lol
donutboy2000 Offline
#47 Posted: Wed, Jul 17 2002, 11:06 AM EST
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The mentally handicapped have a right to bid too.
SteveS Offline
#48 Posted: Wed, Jul 17 2002, 11:13 AM EST
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mentally and now, I might add, financially handicapped
goldengoose7 Offline
#49 Posted: Wed, Jul 17 2002, 11:26 AM EST
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Hee hee...

I might take the time to teach this guy a lesson sometime if he is ever stupid enough to actually set his bid limit to something high enough to actually WIN an auction rather than simply screwing everyone else out of a good deal.br>
Some of the other less cautious HOGS are already getting a little lesson in the downside of greedy bidding styles as demonstrated in that $135.00 box of Punch Pitas without the box I showed you guys! LOL!! :oD

Bottom line...I have no problem with being outbid by someone who knows how to bid properly, but throwing handfuls of darts at a dartboard hoping to win the tournament is hardly going to make you many friends at the pub and could very well get your ass kicked! ;o)
Utz Offline
#50 Posted: Wed, Jul 17 2002, 12:14 PM EST
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Greetings all,
I'm new to CBid, and to cigars in general, and still a little young and naive, so please be gentle.
GGoose, I just wanted to say that I'm glad that you did bring this up.
While I agree with the others that folks here have the right to irritate the hell out of everyone else,
and overpay for there smokes by jacking the bids up, I was starting to wonder if this kind of behavior was the norm.
From what I can see, it looks like there may some bad apples, and a few folks that are a beer short of a six pack, screwing up some auctions, but over all, everyone here seems OK.
Also, want to say hello to everyone...so...hello.
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