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donutboy2000 Offline
#51 Posted: Wed, Jul 17 2002, 3:11 PM EST
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Those Punch Pitas are now up to $35 for a 5 pack, $175 for a box that goes for $60 on the net. JS is a funny guy.
ceo Offline
#52 Posted: Wed, Jul 17 2002, 4:09 PM EST
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This has to be a joke bid.
BBJ Offline
#53 Posted: Wed, Jul 17 2002, 4:27 PM EST
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This Is The Best Thread I HAve Read In A Long Time!!
LMAOROTF!!!!!!I Bid To Win If I Did Expect To WIn I Would WOuld Not Waste Mt Time.
If People Don't Like The Way The Bidding Is Done You Can All Ways Pay Full Price AT C/I.I Am Shure They Would Like That Much Better.
KLACTO Offline
#54 Posted: Wed, Jul 17 2002, 6:57 PM EST
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And the winner is...


JS of Winston-Salem, NC


JS, please click HERE
KLACTO Offline
#55 Posted: Wed, Jul 17 2002, 7:00 PM EST
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OK, let's try it one more time...

JS, please click HERE
KLACTO Offline
#56 Posted: Wed, Jul 17 2002, 7:02 PM EST
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OK, I give up.

JS, just go to http://www.fuckingidiot.net/
goldengoose7 Offline
#57 Posted: Wed, Jul 17 2002, 7:13 PM EST
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"go to http://www.fuckingidiot.net/ "

LOL!

I am sure the guy deserved that deal more than you know! Hee hee heeeeee... ;o)
goldengoose7 Offline
#58 Posted: Wed, Jul 17 2002, 7:37 PM EST
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"GGoose, I just wanted to say that I'm glad that you did bring this up."

Thanks Utz and welcome to the forum. As you can see from this thread, we have a lot of folks here that don't bother to read the previous posts in a thread before replying, so be prepared to post and repost your opinion several times till the "slow ones" finally catch on. ;o) . As you clearly were able to deduce from my previous comments, I was not complaining about OVERBIDDING. The subject of overbidding never entered into my comments or the subject of this thread.

As far as CB goes....This site is a great source of bargains if you know your limits, bid early and know the WHOLESALE as well as STREET PRICES of the items you bid on. I have done very well on this site in the last two weeks. I won most of the auctions I bid on and I won WITHOUT screwing other bidders out of the remaining quantities. I basically bought over $975 bucks worth of cigars and accessories (street price not retail) for just under $500 bucks. Not too shabby! :o) My three LARGE humidors are now completely FULL again, and I will be sitting back and watching for the next few months until I need to renew my supply. :o) Good luck!
rayder1 Offline
#59 Posted: Wed, Jul 17 2002, 10:03 PM EST
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I'm suprised there aren't more California bidders bidding on whole lots. I would think that the outrageous tobacco tax burden would drive a lot of people to bid in that screwed up manner. I think some people have more money than brains. Living here in CA, buying my gars online or on CB is the only way to go. I think I have saved more than 50% on retail (not including the extra taxes CA tags on) buying online. I can understand why people would try to hijack en entire lot but you'll never see Rayder doing it. I'm a cheap bast%$d. Glad to have stumbled across this forum. Good to meet you all.
Slimboli Offline
#60 Posted: Thu, Jul 18 2002, 3:28 AM EST
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Another point to bring up (if it hasn't been done before) is ... bidding on the whole lot just might get you the 'one' or 'two' you originally wanted, but at a lower price ...

I've done this several times, and won '1 out of 5', when I really only wanted one in the first place.
cruiser Offline
#61 Posted: Thu, Jul 18 2002, 3:37 AM EST
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I have no complains, this weeks order over110 gars average $0.68 a piece incl. shipping,now with all this gars I got a lot of yardwork to do!Amen
Orv Offline
#62 Posted: Thu, Jul 18 2002, 5:40 AM EST
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GG7, certainly not wanting to start any arguements but here's a couple of things you might consider. What you are seeing is nothing new, it's been going on here as long as I have been coming here and I'm sure as long as many that have been here longer than me. This is an auction and as long as the bidder is operating by the rules that the owners of this site set up I don't see that you have anything at all to bitch about or the right to be calling them the names you have in this post. What I see as "selfish" is someone complaining about what another bidder is doing because they didn't get what they wanted at the bargain price that they wanted it at.


Personally, I generally only bid on one or two lots and do try to leave some for the other people to get a good deal on. But, it doesn't bother me if someone bids on them all. These auctions are just like a bus or women: there's another one coming along any minute now. Thanks for the heads up though. ORV
goldengoose7 Offline
#63 Posted: Thu, Jul 18 2002, 7:17 AM EST
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Orv, if you want to go on believing that that Mr. "so and so" needs 5 digital hygrometers, 10 Otter boxes and 8 Bowman lighter 2-packs every week, go right on fooling yourself that this isn't a selfish, greedy and totally USELESS practice. ;o)

I know better, and I also know that the practice flat out doesn't work. You are far more likely to get a single at a lower price by bidding on one or perhaps two rather than tipping your bid limit hand immediately by wrapping your incompetent bidding skills around an entire lot. Does anyone honestly think that NO ONE is going to test your bid limit on most of the items on CB? Come on! Get real!

If you really think this stupid technique works, go right on using it, but most of us with any auction experience elsewhere know it is the clear MARK of the NEWBIE bidder.

I've repeated myself enough in this thread, its time to move on.
goldengoose7 Offline
#64 Posted: Thu, Jul 18 2002, 7:54 AM EST
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UGH! (I wish this board had message editing like every other forum on the planet!) I forgot to address this:

Slim, bidding early at the opening of the auction is far more likely to get you the best deal than bidding on the entire lot. As everyone should already know, CB gives priority to the earlier winning bidders if you use Auto-Bid, and in most cases I always get the item for less than most of the other winners.

Locking out everyone else on a popular item (And what items aren't ?) is only going to push your bid limit to the max. You have basically forced the rest of us to outbid you to get in to the auction at all, and once someone gets in, everyone on the planet knows your bid limit and what they need to bid to get in and knock you out.

How anyone can look at that scenario and find anything but stupidity in the technique is beyond me. Like I said in my first post in this thread; The guy I was complaining about has not won a single auction I have ever followed. All he accomplishes is to force the winning bid amount above the average for the item. I'm sorry, but I find nothing admirable in an individual with that claim to fame. (Unless of course he works for CB, in which case....NICE WORK!) ;o)
stogie-man Offline
#65 Posted: Thu, Jul 18 2002, 8:25 AM EST
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"The guy I was complaining about has not won a single auction I have ever followed"
What are you doing, stalking him?

"You have basically forced the rest of us to outbid you to get in to the auction at all"
Umm don't you have to outbid someone anyway, unless you are one of the first in?

"I know better, and I also know that the practice flat out doesn't work"
You've figured this all out in the two weeks you've been here?

Wether it's 1 person or 5 with the top bid, the cost is still the same. Noone is forcing you to overbid or try to outbid someone. If you suspect a person of stocking their store, drop a line to cust. service and let thm handle it. Sorry to be so caustic dude, but GET OVER IT! Set your max, and if you get outbid, remember, it's an auction, it happens. The cigars will come around again.

What I would like to see, (for fairness sake, not personal) is cbid starting some lots at 6pm again. They used to stager them occassionaly, but I haven't seen that in a while. This would give the folks without acess during the day, a chance to get in early after work.
delarob Offline
#66 Posted: Thu, Jul 18 2002, 8:27 AM EST
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I would also like to see the edit feature, cause that post above is by me. thought I logged in correctly, obvously not. (I'd hate to see stogie catch flack for my statements ;))
Slimboli Offline
#67 Posted: Thu, Jul 18 2002, 8:34 AM EST
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The question is ... what are you doing messing around with someone elses account. Friend or not ... I would never allow anyone else access to something my credit card was associated with.
delarob Offline
#68 Posted: Thu, Jul 18 2002, 8:42 AM EST
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The answer is he is a good friend of mine, (used to live in my house) and we check out how each other is doing, and rag each other on our purchases. ok?
Slimboli Offline
#69 Posted: Thu, Jul 18 2002, 9:08 AM EST
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GG7 ... take a deep breath, take a 'chill pill' and relax, 'newbie'. Man ... excuse me for saying this, but aren't we being a bit obsessive? After all, it's an auction site, and it is designed to work exactly like an auction should ...

And, to accuse our hosts for shilling is totally uncalled for, and can't believe you would even say that about a site you are totally unfamiliar with. I have been bidding at this site for years ... and nothing has changed. A retailer has every right to bid on whatever and how much he wants, when he wants. If he can get it cheaper here, more power to him.

I've seldom overpaid for anything I've won here ... and most of the time got incredible deals. But, I'm patient. I also have enough cigars to tide me over. I remember one instance that I bid for over 3 months before I finally got a box of cigars I wanted, and got it for a heck of a deal.

Whether you want to believe it or not, I did get some really good deals when I bid early on an entire lot. I don't do it anymore, because once I got burned, and ended up not getting outbid on three boxes of Romeo y Jullieta Churchill's at $70 each. I was sure it was going to go higher ... and I would end up with at least one, or nothing.
eleltea Offline
#70 Posted: Thu, Jul 18 2002, 9:34 AM EST
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Ooops. Sorry. The above post was by me, not Slimboli. Damned log-in problems. Sorry, Slim.
eleltea Offline
#71 Posted: Thu, Jul 18 2002, 9:35 AM EST
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The above post attributed to eleltea was actually posted by Xibumbero. I am still logged in as eleltea. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. -X
plabonte Offline
#72 Posted: Thu, Jul 18 2002, 9:44 AM EST
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This post should have been under the name of plabonte...wait it is...never mind.
SteveS Offline
#73 Posted: Thu, Jul 18 2002, 9:44 AM EST
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hey, will one of you guys who's logged in on the wrong name, go overbid on a bunch of really good cigars?? Buy entire lots (don't worry 'bout the expense, it's someone else's account, right?) ... 'course, you gotta change the 'ship-to' information so that YOU get the 'gars sent to your place, then you can split 'em with the rest of us here ... next month, someone else'll take a turn logging in under a different name ... it'll be great ...
goldengoose7 Offline
#74 Posted: Thu, Jul 18 2002, 10:06 AM EST
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"GG7 ... take a deep breath, take a 'chill pill' and relax, 'newbie'. Man ... excuse me for saying this, but aren't we being a bit obsessive? After all, it's an auction site, and it is designed to work exactly like an auction should ... "

Just making conversation Slim (The post count of this thread shows it is a hot topic) but I am as cool as a Cucumber. I was pissed off when I posted this thread, but since then only a bit annoyed at how many respondents have totally MISSED the point of my original complaint.

Also, I never seriously accused CB of shimming, that was a joke son! As I said previously, it would be unethical and unprofessional and totally out of character for this cool site.

In the end, I really don't care if you guys have no problem with "Hack n Slash" bidders screwing you out of a decent deal on a lot. As they say, ignorance is bliss, so I guess if you don't know you are being screwed, you wouldn't have cause to be angry now would you? Like I said, I have won about all I can store from this site for the moment, so if the problem I brought up starts getting worse over the next month or so, it won't be me who will be dealing with it.

As for the NEWBIE remark, I did say auctions "ELSEWHERE" didn't I ? I have a great deal of professional experience with online auctions having purchased over $35,000 worth of vintage musical instruments and equipment online in the last 4 years, about the same at estate sales and sold over 110k at auction locally and online, so I do know a few things about auctions and successful bidding techniques. In my years of buying and selling, you learn how to be successful in auctions, and how NOT to to be successful in auctions. :o) The practice I have been complaning about here falls into the latter catagory. In other words, a sure fire way to either LOSE or PAY out the ASS. Your 1 out of 5 wins with the technique although a dismal ratio is actually better than the usual 1 in 10 you would normally get. The chance of taking it in the shorts is high enough (as you found out), that eventually you will get nailed thus erasing any previous savings you might have gotten using the technique and then some.

And lastly to the guy that suggested I was STALKING this guy?

Hardly! He just happens to have bid on many of the same items I have been bidding on the last week. After awhile, you start to remember names, when they continually appear lot after lot on the same items and everytime for the entire quantity.

I would much prefer to see DUTCH AUCTIONS imposed here for mutiple quantity bidding, otherwise limit the bid quantity to two items per customer.

Cheers.
plabonte Offline
#75 Posted: Thu, Jul 18 2002, 10:45 AM EST
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I hear you goose but I think you have totally missed the point that everyone else is making. Its an auction, this guy isn't doing anything illegal, if you don't like it don't bid. If you don't like how someone else bids TOUGH $HIT. This is a PUBLIC auction not the GoldenGoose7 needs a good deal auction. The guy has a reason for bidding the way he is. Whether or not you agree with his reason is moot. ITS HIS DECISION.

Now for the thread jack. You say you have purchased a lot of musical equipment. By chance to you have any BC Rich basses?
goldengoose7 Offline
#76 Posted: Thu, Jul 18 2002, 10:57 AM EST
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Sorry dude, just Hammond B-3 / C-3 Organs, Leslie speakers, Mini-Moogs and until recently pre-60s Martin Guitars.

As for the right to bid the way you want, SURE, no problem, just be prepared to see the average winning bids rise the more this technique is used, and it won't be the HOGS who will be paying the higher prices most of the time. It will be everyone else. :o)
plabonte Offline
#77 Posted: Thu, Jul 18 2002, 11:09 AM EST
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Ah a keyboard man. I have a Roland XP-60 which is very nice. Now if I could just figure out how to work the damn thing I'd be ok. Are you in a band or do you play just for the fun of it?

You are right. You may end up paying more. But it is STILL cheaper then going to the store in my town so I won't complain.
goldengoose7 Offline
#78 Posted: Thu, Jul 18 2002, 11:35 AM EST
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I have an XP-80 around here some where. Nice line of boards to be sure. The 60s/70s card is a great collection of vintage keyboard sounds to have for recording.

I was in a band till about 2 years ago. We released 3 critically acclaimed albums, got a pretty large and loyal following, but we were not able to get the big deal we had set out to land even though we were pretty big on MP3.COM for awhile, so we packed it in at the end of the 6th year. I do miss it I must admit! :o(

The music business is a tough one! I have made much more $$ buying and selling musical equipment than I ever did playing it! :o)
Slimboli Offline
#79 Posted: Thu, Jul 18 2002, 3:05 PM EST
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GG7 - 'Newbie' is just a term of 'endearment' that is used to describe anyone who is 'new' on any
I remember how upset I got at over at CF when I first joined. Man, did I ever get a razzing. I was 'newbie puke' and 'newbie scum' for many months ... hehehe! And of course, the more I made a big deal out of it, the worse it got.

But still, I still can't help but 'read between the lines' on some of your 'conversations' ... and that there just might be something a little more 'deep seated' in what you say. You are trying very hard to get your point across ...
Slimboli Offline
#80 Posted: Thu, Jul 18 2002, 3:06 PM EST
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GG7 - 'Newbie' is just a term of 'endearment' that is used to describe anyone who is 'new' on any
I remember how upset I got at over at CF when I first joined. Man, did I ever get a razzing. I was 'newbie puke' and 'newbie scum' for many months ... hehehe! And of course, the more I made a big deal out of it, the worse it got.

But still, I still can't help but 'read between the lines' on some of your 'conversations' ... and that there just might be something a little more 'deep seated' in what you say. You are trying very hard to get your point across ...
Slimboli Offline
#81 Posted: Thu, Jul 18 2002, 3:08 PM EST
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Let's try this again ... my first post went haywire, for some reason!



GG7 - 'Newbie' is just a term of 'endearment' that is used to describe anyone who is 'new' on any particular BB ... no mater what experience one may have in real life. Nothing personal ... really! You are new here, so hence the 'newbie' remark.

I remember how upset I got at over at CF when I first joined. Man, did I ever get a razzing. I was 'newbie puke' and 'newbie scum' for many months ... hehehe! And of course, the more I made a big deal out of it, the worse it got.

But still, I still can't help but 'read between the lines' on some of your 'conversations' ... and that there just might be something a little more 'deep seated' in what you say. You are trying very hard to get your point across ...
Slimboli Offline
#82 Posted: Thu, Jul 18 2002, 3:09 PM EST
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Crap ... what the h*ll is going on here?
delarob Offline
#83 Posted: Thu, Jul 18 2002, 3:44 PM EST
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mmmmmmmmm I like the third one best.
wwaugh Offline
#84 Posted: Thu, Jul 18 2002, 5:17 PM EST
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YOU ARE RIGHT....AM.AM AM
plabonte Offline
#85 Posted: Fri, Jul 19 2002, 4:23 AM EST
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I like the first on with the different fonts
Orv Offline
#86 Posted: Fri, Jul 19 2002, 6:07 AM EST
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GG7, Let me also make myself clear. I could care less about this guys technique or your technique or anyone elses bidding technique. I simply know what the going rate for anything I bid on is and how much I am willing to pay here and make my decision from that.

I also don't care how many "5 digital hygrometers, 10 Otter boxes and 8 Bowman lighter 2-packs" that he buys or what he does with them. Really not my business.



I'll state the point I was making once again



"This is an auction and as long as the bidder is operating by the rules that the owners of this site set up I don't see that you have anything at all to bitch about or the right to be calling them the names you have in this post. What I see as "selfish" is someone complaining about what another bidder is doing because they didn't get what they wanted at the bargain price that they wanted it at. "



I also take issue with you calling him the names you have. I feel that is completely uncalled for unless you know him personally and know for a fact that he is the following;



"scammer, stupid person, idiot, clown, selfish, dork, joker, dweeb, thieves, dope, jerk off, pompous asses(that would be us), slow ones(us again).




That's a lot of name calling just because you don't like the way somebody bids or that others don't agree with your assessment of the situation.



My daddy always told me that if you're good at something or sharper than the rest then there's no reason to brag about it. The people that need to know will realize it and the rest really don't matter.


Also as I stated in first post I really don't want to start an argument here but I don't think there's any reason for you to come on here calling others name and trying to convince us that you are smarter and have better "Auction Technique" and "Skills" than the rest of us. It just might surprise you but that are actually a few smart cookies around here.


Other than that, enjoy the good deals you are getting here.


ORV
Orv Offline
#87 Posted: Fri, Jul 19 2002, 6:10 AM EST
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That should be



It just might surprise you, but there are actually a few smart cookies around here. (obviously I'm not one of them)



ORV
goldengoose7 Offline
#88 Posted: Fri, Jul 19 2002, 1:37 PM EST
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Hi Orv,



I appreciate your comments and understand where you are coming from.

As for the greedy practice I have such a problem with and the folks that insist on using it ... Lets just agree to disagree as to whether or not it gives the user any edge regarding the outcome of the auctions they bid on and whether or not the practice ultimately costs all of us more money at the end of the week.

I only listed my auction experience to show that I wasn't talking out my ass about the practice being a total waste of time.

Now its time to light up one of these PUNCH Rothchilds I got in my giant CB order that arrived a few minutes ago! :o)

Cheers.
delarob Offline
#89 Posted: Fri, Jul 19 2002, 7:20 PM EST
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Daddy always said..life is like a box of chocolates.
rjdc Offline
#90 Posted: Sun, Jul 21 2002, 7:49 AM EST
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Hey guys, we all know that this guy, AM from Providence RI. is probably a dealer. CB must love you AM. I'm not just bitching about you buying up lots of stuff. Today you sure did buy lots of gars and merchendise. However some of us like to have a chance to get a "better deal" from time to time. Sure we can outbid you, or wait for another lot, like GG7 said. We rely on luck of the draw. In Vegas you'd be called a "Whale". In the Bible you would be classified as Greedy or a Hoarder. Here in Boston we'd call you a F@#*ing A-hole. We won't go there, so I'm gonna fuhgedaboudit! I really have mixed feelings about guys like you. I've bid on whole lots, but they were for me! We're just average Joe's who love smoking cigars. Do you smoke em or just buy em to resell? Cool if you do, but don't use CB to keep in stock. Where's your store?! I'd like to come down and see some of the things you outbid me on. Don't get me too wrong pal. We get our share. The operative word being share. Hey, take it for what it's worth, or just say "Eh!" Good luck. What goes around comes around.
goldengoose7 Offline
#91 Posted: Sun, Jul 21 2002, 5:00 PM EST
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Here is our friend's latest claim to fame.


http://www.cigarbid.com/...ion/lot.cfm?lotID=63487

Do you see him listed amoung the winners? What did I tell you would happen?

Could the winning bidders have gotten this hygrometer for less money without his incompetent bidding BS? (5 units on opening day with a $19.00 auto-bid...I can hear the dope now...

"Hmmmm I wonder if any of the thousands of other bidders on here might want one of these for $21.00 ??? Probably not so I will bid for all of them for $19.00, and if anyone wants one, they can start the bidding at $21.00 instead of $3.00. Yeah! Thats the ticket!...Duuuuhhhh.)

Orv may have thought that it wasn't nice to call people like this dweebs, jerks or selfish idiots. Personally, I really can't think of a better list of names to describe my opinion of the type.

Let me ask you again...Do you see AM in the list of winners? Unless you are bidding on some pretty unknown stuff on CB, you never will, but you can count on one thing...If he and others like him make it to an auction before you, they will cost you $$ over and above what you would have normally paid, guaranteed!. ;o) I did say it was BLISS! ;o)
Slimboli Offline
#92 Posted: Sun, Jul 21 2002, 5:07 PM EST
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GG7 - I thought you were through with this ... ;-)

BTW ... no you won't, as I am patient, and will get it for the price I want to pay, and nothing more. I may have to wait awhile ... but, oh well.

Anyway ... who cares?
goldengoose7 Offline
#93 Posted: Sun, Jul 21 2002, 5:34 PM EST
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Just putting a CAP on the thread Slim, with some proof to back up my previous claims about the technique and what it does for the bidder who uses it, but more importantly, what it costs those who actually WIN the auctions these fools choose to meddle in.

In the end, I have learned my lesson. You guys seem content with the status quo around here, so more power to ya! I will keep any future observations or revelations about this site to myself from now on.

How about them Yankees? ;o) Cheers!
Slimboli Offline
#94 Posted: Mon, Jul 22 2002, 2:05 AM EST
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GG7 - You've definately made your point, and it is not going to change anything. Those type of bidders have been here since this site began. and they will continue to be here ... and to be honest, hasn't really affected me. Life goes on ...

The bottom line is, it doesn't cost any bidder here a penny more than the maximum they are willing to pay ... period. If they have to wait a little longer to get it ... so be it.

It certainly would be nice if people could be controlled to do everything we wanted them to do ... but it just isn't going to happen.

Now take your final question and go to the 'Sports Forum' ... hehehe!

BTW ... the 'oldtimers' here may remember the bidding feature that was here in the beginning, where you could withdraw/change your bid within 15 minutes? Anyone here could run the bids up to your maximum (or find out what it was) and then withdraw theirs, and leave whomever was left at their maximum bid. That really sucked ... and that was something that could be changed ...
cruiser Offline
#95 Posted: Mon, Jul 22 2002, 2:29 AM EST
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I startet a threat a year ago,and pointet to some people who even use same initial same town and resale there winning bids on a other webauctionsite starting with e ending with y. Life goes on and IMO everbody can bid on as many they want and pay as much the want!
Just think about this guy must make a living out of resaleing this products!
eleltea Offline
#96 Posted: Mon, Jul 22 2002, 6:04 AM EST
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This may go in the Guiness Book of World Records as the longest dead horse thread of all time. Let's keep it going.

I just got one of those humidor thingies with 8 Carlos Torano for $25. How much better a deal should that have been? The cigars alone are worth that. A couple weeks ago I got a $100 box of cigars for $46. Dont matter whose initials are on the bid, you are not going to get Fuentes for half-price here, so put it out of your mind.
goldengoose7 Offline
#97 Posted: Mon, Jul 22 2002, 6:55 AM EST
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Heck! Lets go for 100 posts shall we? ;o)

Looks like this site has a lot of dead horses. LOL! In my book that's just another name for easily indentified unresolved problems. ;o)

Glad they changed that previous bidding format Slim!

There is a scammer in every bunch!

I hear ya about the current situation. Too bad that CB doesn't have more rules regarding resellers using this site as a cheap alternative to their sales reps and vendors. As Cruiser said, the guy I am referring to is apparently unloading his booty on the BIG auction site (when he actually wins anything), so what does that say about the live and let live attitude now?

Do you guys really have no problem competing with professional resellers who are buying this stuff not for their own personal use and enjoyment, but to make money off less resourceful cigar buyers, and ultimately at YOUR expense? I think CB should seriously consider banning resellers from using this site as a cheap alternative to their normal vendors and sales reps.

The more of them that discover this site, the more camping at lot openings we will see and the less true bargains there will be for the folks this site was originally designed for.

Since resellers will never be caught overbidding (They know the wholesale prices so they lock up the entire lot with a bid limit set to what "would have been" your DEAL price. You have the option of moving on, or paying more to get in and/or win) CB is never going to see any profits from professional reseller participation here, only a growing list of angry consumers who will eventually grow tired of bidding up to street prices to get in and in many cases overbidding to win. They could do as Slim suggests and let the resellers HAVE the auction. However, if enough of us start letting these guys HAVE all the auctions they try to lock up, pretty soon there won't be any auctions left to bid on!

I don't see that happening in the near future, but if this problem goes on unchecked, I think it will likely become the norm around here, and that would truly SUCK!

Eleltea, I am looking at the BIG picture here and down the road a piece. I too am getting great deals, but I am also starting to notice more and more lots being hoarded. Perhaps you haven't been buying as much as me lately and as a result haven't been in as many auctions in the last two weeks as I have.

Not sure how this compares to others here but these are my stats for my last two weeks of serious buying:

Auctions bid on: 51

Auctions Won: 28

Total cost not including shipping: $527.00

Number of auctions where hoarding was encountered:

Week one: 6 out of 32 or approx. 19%

Week two: 8 out of 19 or approx. 37%

Granted these are only auctions I bid on, so the percentage increase may not be there at all for the entire site, but I suspect that hoarding is on the rise. In my case, you can see why I started to notice it at the end of the second week, which ultimately lead to this thread being posted.

Perhaps I am one of the few around here that pays attention to trends on this site, but since one of my previous jobs dealt with them, I think I am predisposed to notice them everywhere. ;o)
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#98 Posted: Mon, Jul 22 2002, 8:16 AM EST
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#99 Posted: Mon, Jul 22 2002, 9:10 AM EST
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GG7 - I don't understand why you think 'all of a sudden' there is going to be a rash of retailers coming here and bidding. This site has been here for many years ... and as long as I have been here, it's been about the same as it always has been ...

... and I continue to get great deals. Did I tell you about the box of Drew Estates Industrial Press 'Three Kings' I won for a little over $30 recently? They retail at CI for $80 ... and the list goes on! Who cares what retailers do ... we live in America, and the last I heard ... it's still a free country. :-)
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#100 Posted: Mon, Jul 22 2002, 9:20 AM EST
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100!

That picture was funny Slim! ;o)Glad to hear that you haven't noticed more and more retailers hoarding here. I know you have been here for a long time, so thats comforting.

Perhaps it is just a recent batch of new resellers who have made the problem more noticeable lately?
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