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I would let her make the CHOICE whether to get an abortion or not. She has that CHOICE.

I love when people say "I would choose live." It's like... thank you! You did choose it! You had the choice and you made a decision. I'm happy everyone has that choice.

The unborn child had no choice in it's time of conception...
a sad situation for sure,,,

Why don't you speak from experience instead of fables?

I'm against abortions.
But before anyone gets their panties in a knot, understand this: They do need to remain a legal and safe option.

With all of that said, I find it disturbing to read posts like the author above.
"I love when people say "I would choose live (sic). It's like... thank you!"
So you sarcastically "love" when people choose life?
Or are you just put off because they're telling you about it?

Abortions are vile, disgusting and cruel medical procedures.
But we prefer to use the term "choice" because it's so much kinder and makes us all forget that we're stilling a beating heart. A viable human being is being destroyed. Whether it's murder matters not. It's squashing a dependent life before it becomes independent.

But we can't talk about that without being labeled as religious extremists.
The organization called Planned Parenthood treats adoption like a disease, and goes out of their way to ease the mind of the woman or child who might be fearful of having an abortion.
Politicians and their mindless minions continue to call it a "choice" without understanding what all the other choices are.

My solution?
Keep it legal. But make the girl/woman watch or read information explaining what it is and how it works.
Show video of a fetus at the same number of weeks.
And make available infomration from those women who have regrets about their hasty decisions.

Eyes wide open.
There is no other way to commit to a medical procedure in a sane world.

But instead, we want free clinics that scrape them clean and send them on their way without the "father" or even a minors' parents to know about it.
It's a friggin shame that the two sides have become so polarized.
Keep religion out of it, but make the "choice" a solid one based on knowledge rather than convenience.

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"The problem of letting the parents know is that certain parents who would take some extreme actions against their daughter if they were informed she were getting an abortion."

That's a load of crap.
What "extreme actions" are you talking about?
If the girl fears her life then she should get law enforcement involved.
otherwise, she's just afraid to be grounded for a year. And to that I say "so what?"

There is not another medical procedure available where the law would let a minor make the decision.
So why shoudl abortion have this special right?



"Letting the father know... how do you do this? Should it be required? If so, how do you contact rapists? If it's not required, how do you enforce it?"

In the case of rape, you have a point.
But the vast majority of abortions are NOT from rape.
In those cases, I find it disturbingly ironic that the girl gets to make the final decision.
Yet, if she decides to have the baby that father is legally responsible.

I say, if the father is held to a legal obligation, why shouldn't the mother be also?

Yes, it's complicated.
But that's even MORE reason to treat abortions more seriously than just a "choice".

- Kicked out/disowned
- Forbidding it, extreme pressure

I'm not saying it would happen often but it would happen.

You have a point, though, about the other medical procedures.



I agree this is a complicated issue which is intertwined with other complicated issues.

I hate to use this argument, but it comes down to it being "her body" which the child is growing in. Inevitably it comes down to her choice. If a woman wants an abortion she can do it in relative safety at a clinic, or the much less safe home grown variety. If the law says both the mother and father must consent, would the woman be forced to carry the child?

I agree that the father should know, but in the end I don't see how that can be anything more than a strong, repeatedly-stated recommendation to the woman. There's no way to even find out the father except if the girl gives a name.



Point taken, I apologize.

I ALSO enjoy how RICKAMAVEN can make you monkeys dance on command.

After post #5, "Cut & Run" was the only option.

Even though it is a killing, I still support a woman's right to choose.

Good thing he wasn't aborted!

there's several things that are no speak for me - just no chance for discourse.... abortion, gun laws and taxes are three of them.

I only like to engage in conversations that have actual back and forth in them where the participants are not fixed statically in a position.

Also, hypothetical threads like this piss me off.

I can always find some set of factors to throw into a hypothetical. ".. ... ok, so you wouldn't abort it? Well, what if right after she got pregnant, a 666 tattoo appeared right under her left breast so it had been the Anti-christ that got her preggers? How about then?...."

I agree with whoever said it above - speak from your personal experiences, not hypothetical ones.

I misread the tittle...

I thought this was about Run DMC or LL Cool J...

I prefer classic Rock and Punk...

Naw...I don't dance, pottsie. I DO enjoy watching dumb animals being manipulated for my amusement, though. Sometimes I will throw something shiny at them. It makes me laugh when their little monkey faces look sad when they figure out it's a gum wrapper instead of a quarter. Go ahead...argue with RICK. You know you want to. Abortion is COOL...dontcha think so, potts?

Stinkdyr #7

think about what?

charlie

it was sort of a real question because someone might get elected in spite of that opinion.

and a jr palin who considers masturbation a form of adultery. the only form of personal pleasure that hurts no one, costs nothing, doesn't spread germs and is the last bit of pleasure for the destitute and lonely, and she is against it.

when i am out back with the 5 dogs. i throw a toy and they run after it, except for sheba who is as close to death as he can get. age has snuck up on her as it does to all of us.

the other four compete by running and they get their exercise.

nuff said.

^^

and use run on sentences as poetic devices ?

The mere mention of his name makes some people here rabid!

It is as if the thread has been strafed by a Sopwith Camel!

^ Piloted by a Geriatric Commie...

the real point of this post is the coming election. every wing ding over the top, been around for yesar and never had a voice
until the tea party, a grass roots group, sponsored by the koch brothers., inventors of this grass roots BS gave these lunatics
a podium.

in alaske we have a nothing who has just been reprimanded for using company time and computers, having thugs, men from the military
who, without permission from their chain of command took a job from a company not licensed to operate in alaska. and handcuffed and
kidnapped and held a civilian for 20 minutes. i hope the military deals with these men harshly. i hope the civilian who was kidnapped
peruses charges against the illegal miller for setting the process in motion, or was there some other reason the "guards" were carrying handcuffs.
what kind of country have we become where this is allowed to happen. the police should have arrested the soldiers on the spot and held them pending further investigation.

how far is salem from delaware. the witch hasn't learned to wink with one eye yet. when she does she might only be 10 or 15 points behind.
but the constitution for bides the government from forcing a compulsory religion, but where in the constitution is masterbation provided for. , must be life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.



The Banality of the Koch Conspiracy
Posted Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:42 PM | By David Weigel

See what I mean about the perils of the Koch brothers pretending that they don't actually have both feet firmly planted in the world of tea parties and politics? I agree with Matthew Yglesias's take on the invitation to a Koch-hosted political forum, the details of which are being reported fairly breathlessly by Kate Zernike.

I suppose I don’t begrudge rich businessmen the opportunity to hang out with one another throwing a weird pity party about how overtaxed they are. But it strikes me as almost self-refuting for a bunch of billionaires to be chilling at a lavish resort talking about how Barack Obama has somehow done away with American liberty.

Indeed, the Kochs' "secret meeting" in June with investors and high-profile journalists was written about at the time by Tim Carney, who has another take on it today. The details of who shows up at such things are sort of interesting. The fact that these things happen is completely banal -- elevating it is really just the left's revenge for a decade or so of the right attempting to scandalize and criminalize the influence that George Soros and other billionaires have on Democrats.

I take Yglesias's point that the Kochs have a different motivation than the Soroses of the world. They advocate against policies that would hurt their bottom lines; it is by no means clear that big liberal donors do so. In fact, they're usually advocating for policies that will raise their taxes.

it must have all started when the educational system btoke down. when social studies must have disappeared from the curriculum, along with reading and understanding. my kids were in the second grade and still were not taught the multiplication tables. i had to teach them.

kids now can text while driving. but they need a machine to make change for your order of whatever.

soon it will be time to round up all the progressives, the disabled, the illegal immigrants, the **** and the lesbians and dump them in a lake. if they float. it's off to salam. i don't think it's far from delaware.

if you need caps, put them where ever you want. it's a free country.


oh putzman, most married people have sex, but they don't usually post it.

We heard that same threat during 8 years of the Bush administration and nothing happened. Obama has had a couple of years to intern all the Republicans and Teabaggers in the Halliburton-built FEMA-run concentration camps and yet nothing has happened.



We globalists control everything. Enjoy your silly little elections. We already own all the candidates.

Assalamu alaikum.

I have no reason to insult Rick. Because we live in a free society, Rick's opinion does not bother me. It's YOU I'm insulting. Of course, I don't expect your half-witted, slack jawed, automaton little self to recognize that. Just so you know..I'm not insulting you because your "opinions" bother me...it's just fun getting you all riled up and watching stupid fall out of your head.

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