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Hey, it's a very effective tactic. That kind of media saturation by the liberals and their media apologists got a nickle-dime slick-talking community organizer elected president about two years ago.

Obama makes "W" look like George Washington...

True enough, but he's also our worst living President right? I mean, we only have one President, right?

Think of the death panels Rick......................


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Fuzz, have you ever really stopped to think about how the left manipulates people? Come on, man. The left has convinced you that you need government to take care of you, protect you from "the wealthy", educate your children, regulate use of "private" property, regulate what you eat, and a whole slew of other things championed by the left.

The left constantly accuse the right of racism, yet they advocate racial quotas and enact "hate crime" laws, both of which meet the definition of racism (any exception, exclusion, recognition, or assumption based on race).

The left claim to "fight for the little guy", but create legislation/regulations that only huge corporations can afford to comply with. Just look at the Los Angeles County "bacon dog" ban, or better yet, the food safety and modernization act that the democrats recently pushed through. This insidious piece of legislation is affectionately referred to as "the Monsanto bill". Ever do any research on Monsanto? They're a huge, greedy, evil corporation.

One of Obama's biggest campaign donors was Goldman Sachs. Do you know where Tim Geitner worked before he became Secretary of the Treasury? OMG! GOLDMAN SACHS. Remember Goldman Sachs? 12.9 billion in bailout money?

And don't even get me started on PETA. Here you go: www.petakillsanimals.com

Wake up, Fuzz. YOU HAVE BEEN MANIPULATED. You have been conned. You are a brainwashed goon. You are the mirror image of that which you rage against.

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Yeah, the George Soros Marxist puppet who thinks that there are 57 states in the Union is a much better choice.

(Hint: there are currently only 50 states in the Union)

But therein lies the con, Fuzz. Most legislation does not help the "overwhelming majority" of Americans. Funny you should use that phrase. It's straight out of the democrats' recent anti-tax cut speeches. Kinda like when all the right wingers on here started calling them "the democrat party" instead of "the democratic party" right after Bush started saying it.

If you dig deep enough, you will find corporate interests behind an overwhelming majority of legislation, whether pushed through by the "right" or the "left". The propaganda machine of the left has convinced you that they work "for the people" and "against big business and corporate interests" when nothing could be further from the truth. Just like the propaganda of the right has convinced many of our BOTL on here that the republican party is "the party of small government" when nothing could be further from the truth. The republican party is only the party of small government when it comes to letting corporations do whatever the hell they want. When it comes to issues of personal liberty and privacy, they are the party of all-powerful moral authority government.

Here's how the genius of "the left" works: They convince you that they are "for the little guy", "making the rich pay their fair share", "holding big business accountable", "creating a safety net", "helping small businesses", "for the children", "against the war", etc. etc. But behind the scenes, it is these same huge megacorporations who mold, influence, and sometimes even write the regulations that the democrats push. Let's take the old "tax cuts for the rich" mantra, for instance. Democrats wanted income taxes to return to the old level for anyone making over 250K per year, right? Do you consider 250K per year to be "wealthy"? I don't, but anyway, people who make 250K per year are lumped in with those making 250 million per year. Here's the deal: one of the main ways that the uber-mega-super wealthy stay wealthy is by keeping other people from becoming wealthy. Now let's say, for the sake of argument, that Lord Richington Diamondworthy III pays his full tax burden on his 250 million per year income (I argue that most super wealthy people do NOT pay their full tax; they find ways to weasel out of it - more on that later). So he pays 39% of 250 million. He's left with a measly 152 million. Boo f**king hoo, right? Now say a husband and wife together make 250K and pay 39%. They are left with 152K. That's a big hit. But to Lord Richington Diamondworthy III, he doesn't even feel it because he already has more money than he could ever spend. He could use $1,000 bills for toilet paper and never run out of money. So the democrats have most folks convinced that "the rich will pay their fair share", and Lord Diamondworthy is sitting back, smoking a Gurkha His Majesty's Reserve, twirling his evil moustache and laughing. The democrats help the wealthy and powerful stay wealthy and powerful by keeping other people from becoming rich. And they help huge megacorporations by enacting regulations that only megacorporations can afford to comply with. And they handed big pharma endless taxpayer-funded profits with the health care bill. It's no coincidence that Obama got more campaign contributions from big pharma than McCain did.

Ask yourself: Why would huge corporations like BP, JP Morgan Chase, Exxon Mobil, Goldman Sachs, Lockheed Martin, etc. donate millions upon millions of dollars to democrats who state outright that they will raise their taxes and put stricter regulations on them? Why is Harry Reid the biggest recipient of campaign donations from AT&T, Goldman Sachs, Time Warner, and Morgan Stanley? Why is Charles Shumer the biggest recipient of campaign donations from Lockheed Martin and Citigroup? Because with the help of "the left", they are slowly gaining monopolies on their respective industries, or in the case of Goldman Sachs and the like, they got...well...I'm sure you remember.

Ooooooook Rick. I reviewed a few of your posts. I agree, you avoid political discussions. You only post inflammatory remarks and run. If you decide to have a grown-up discussion about the specifics of this law, let me know.

My broader point was to highlight the fallacy of the "left/right" paradigm. I see no difference between the 2 major parties when I follow the money.

You're right. Obama is not a Marxist. He is a puppet of global totalitarianism, just like Bush was before him.

The reason the economy was better under Clinton is because the effects of NAFTA hadn't really started to manifest.



For the record, I'm a socially liberal, fiscally conservative Libertarian.

And Bill Hicks said it best.

I think the puppet on the right has my best interest in mind.

No, I think the puppet on the left is thinking about me and my family.

Wait a damn minute, there's one guy holding both puppets!

Borndead...to quote Bill Murray from "Stripes"..."I Gotta Party With You!"

Your posts on this thread are sheer genius.

Rick, believe me I understand. I quickly tired of political discussion boards as they stopped being about honest discussion and became more about insults. Sadly, too many people have fallen prey to their respective party rhetoric and believe the opposing side is subhuman because they disagree. I intentionally avoided mentioning politics when I brought up a few points relating to the healthcare legislation as I wanted to avoid the typical backlash. I think many people would find there is no easy answer to most of our current political issues, and if all were open-minded enough to see past party rhetoric, there is much more agreement or acceptable compromise within reach.

They're dead. They can't fight back or protest. There really is no better target to tax except maybe smokers.

No. You just make fun of their wives and kids, and other associated family.

You're such brave, brave...er..."man" there Fuzz.

If you will be inheriting an estate worth more than 5 million dollars, then it wouldn't effect you at all, it does, however, effect me and my family. Now how in the hell does that make me envious of you?

The thing is there are a great deal of people who actually don't work for that money, it's inherited, it's old money. The entire 'work hard and you can make it' story is mostly bs. Sure, there are exceptions and some actually do get lucky, but most people work their asses off and get screwed over and over. Their 401k's and other retirement accounts get wiped out by people who play fast and loose with the money they invest. The housing market gets hosed because of Wall Street con games wiping out the equity in their biggest investment. And right wing politicians want to put their social security in the market, or cut it completely.

I don't hate people who have more than me, not at all. I have more than most, and thankful for it. The statistics show that the top 1% have more wealth than they have ever had before in this country and it's because of our public policy. The middle class no longer matters, and that is not productive for a democratic society. And yes, voting for people who support policies that keep it that way is voting against your own interests.

At the very least, I'm not the not advocating picking someone else's pocket there Fuzz.

And, for the record, I've done more bootstrap pulling - and been sucessful at it - than you have. I guess that's probably the reason why I don't envy the wealth of others. I make things happen.

You, on the other hand...

Ah yes, ignore the words in my posts that refute your presuppositions and just keep going with your narrative. And might I suggest a spell checker?

Fuzzy, Fuzzy, Fuzzy...

You could suggest a spell-checker. I might suggest you purchase a few I.Q. points. You're sorely lacking in that department. Then again, snotty remarks about my spelling is usually the first indicator that you're out of intellectual ammo, and are reduced to throwing rocks.

As for my "presuppositions", any presupposition is an assumption that I had that may or may not have been congruent with the facts. Since I agree with a HUGE portion of your original post - the stuff you think is so shocking - your claim that I am "denying" your "revelations" (which, I might add, are laughable) is idiotic.

So, I'll use a spell checker when you decide to pull your head out of your a**. Seriously, Fuzz, do you have any clue as to the meaning of the words you use, or do you just throw them out there thinking that everyone is going to be impressed with the fact that you can use words that are longer than five letters?

Really Fuzzy, when it comes to weighty matters like politics, you should leave that to the adults. You're a little out of your depth.

I had no doubt that you would agree with the original post. I do find it interesting though that you wouldn't be offended that the right wing elites think they can insult your intelligence like that, you have an opportunity to read it and you think it's just fine. But then again, I have not known you to have many original thoughts.

And I am lmao at the 'intellectual ammo' remark considering you were the one to bring up a year old issue in your first foray into this thread.

Potts, you do realize that THH has a search feature, right? In the first 5 pages of a quick search I found 4 thread you started where you were complaining that either the school system of you place of employment were 'against' you for some reason or another. There were scores of other pages to search through. I do have a memory my friend.

Lmfao at keeping up with anyone as I have absolutely no desire to do anything resembling such a thing. Nothing can be further from the truth.

Specifically, they envy the women who have more wealth than the particular woman who owns them...

LMAOx11tybillion...

As a small business, insurance premiums have only gone up and UP (usually by 20 - 28% EVERY YEAR). I don't expect that to change anytime soon even if Obamacare stays in place. In fact, I think premiums went up more than usual because of Obamacare. One reason (of many) it probably went up is because you can now allow your "child" of 27 (or 28) years of age to stay on the plan.

One often overlooked issue of estate/death tax is farmers. Should they be considered rich because they are fortunate enough to own a hundred or so acres, a hundred head of dairy cows and expensive farm equipment? All that is factored in estate taxes.

Not many dairy farmers are rich IMO but they'd be taxed to death so to speak.

Just one of many possible examples...