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"Pence said the amendment captures a rough public consensus that they accept legal abortions, but don't want to pay for them."



Bingo. Exactly how I feel about it.

Holy crap, a piece of legislation that I actually LIKE!

Too many liberals...???. ^^^

I was thinking just the opposite. With no government handout (i.e. free money), they will need to lower prices to stay competitive. I could be wrong. Just like lasic surgery, if insurance companies started covering that, it would cost 3x more.

I didn't mean respect toward me...I have done nothing to deserve any! I meant for those that perished.

Just like I would find it ugly to make jokes about Turks slaughtering Armenians, or any African genocide...t'aint funny McGee.

he's worth keeping around for some of his picture posts...

A Turk, an Armenian, and a mechanical engineer walk into a bar. The Armenian offers to buy the Turk a drink. The Turk shoots him.


You're right, Turk/Armenian humor does suck.

LOL!!!
I just want to read the "boot-strapped" reasoning!

Wheel,
I did make a very broad refence when I first objected to Holocaust terms being tossed about. I incorrectly implied that your use of Auschwitz had any reference to Israel at all...what I had in mind was previous threads where terms like "concentration camp" were used to describe Israel's control of Palestinians and other nazi behaviors being used on Israel. I find that to be purposeful "Jew baiting" and I want to let you know that I was incorrect to include your useage in this thread.

In fact, I do understand your feelings on abortion and believe I am on record here as saying that despite being Pro Choice, I could never live with making the decision to abort. I choose life but do not believe in forcing my desires, no matter how benevolent, on other Americans.

Would you not be outraged if someone compared unrelated things by using statements like "after police shot the drug dealers, the apartment looked like the back room of an illegal abortion clinic"? Doesn't that cheapen and demean an issue that you feel so strongly about in your heart? It has nothing to do with abortion, and most of the times here when Holocaust terms are used, they have no connection to the real deal. If something hit close to your family, you'd want those memories respected by your American compatriots.

Also, I can see the top of your head when I stand.

ok

am what...ok, or 5-11?

I'm really ok and 6-1. I was lying when I said I could see the top of your head.

I saw the top of Wheel's head just this morning...

could'nt have been me ...

This morning I was banging my old lady...

I don't know how Hallmark hasn't snagged your talents yet.

Question:

This thing has 4 walls. All walls have armed guards. Nobody can leave or enter without permission. Movement within the four walls is restricted. When the people inside the walls get uppitty and revolt, they are bombed or shot. Periodically the walls are moved tighter and the land that used to be inside the walls is now used to build new houses for the guards. The guards fly jets and helicopters over the people inside the wall every day. Guards freely move within the walls to check on the people inside the walls.

Answer:

A. A concentration camp
B. The Gaza Strip
C. The West Bank
D. All of the above



It is time to give that land its freedom or they and others will eventually take it. Stop funding the camps with USA taxpayer money. Stop staffing the walls with USA taxpayer supplied equipment. Israel staffs the walls and the USA is the only nation left on the planet that supports the continued operation of the camps. Speak out against and you will be called an anti-semite. Be a Jew and speak out against it and you will be called self-loathing. The terms have been overplayed and have become meaningless.

End it now. Tear down the walls.

If a real war ever broke out that threatened the USA, our most trusted ally will once again be the United Kingdom. Next will be France and Germany and then the rest of NATO. Israel doesn't have the economic means to come to our aid in any measurable capacity.

Concentration camps have existed during every war. The USA had them in WW2, the Korean Peace Action, the Vietnam Peace Action, and both Iraq conflicts. It is not a German/Jewish/Holocaust term. Israel is running concentration camps, not Nazi-style extermination camps. Israel is not enacting the Final Solution to deal with the Palestinian problem. Israel's concentration camps have no endgame. They can't exterminate the Palestinians, they can't annex the land because it would screw up the Jew/Arab population balance in Israel, and the Palestinians won't leave.

Israel is not surrounded by four walls. Israel is not surrounded by nations committed to its destruction. Israel has peace and normalized relations with Jordan and Egypt, it's two longest borders. The threats of imminent destruction and cries of "Never again" are over exaggerated for political purposes, one of which is to suck US money in. Everybody knows that Israel will turn the entire Middle East into a nuclear wasteland before being overrun. None of the real or perceived threats can explain the need for the Gaza and West Bank concentration camps.

The opposition does recognize Israel's right to exist. The opposition does show Israel on the map but with different borders. Iran recognized Israel's right to exist until the Shah fell from power. The Palestinian Authority recognizes Israel's right to exist. The PA doesn't recognize Israel as a "Jewish State" as demanded in the recent peace talks. I don't care for theocracies as well.

Too many people on all sides stay in power in the Middle East by perpetuating war. Peace neuters them. Arafat is a great example. It serves him right that the French killed him.

It is time to give up on the West Bank land grab. It is time to get USA taxpayer money out of Israel. When Israel wants peace, we can talk.

I accept/truly believe that most of it is not purposeful. Perhaps akin to someone saying "some of my best friends are black" and truly not understanding what the black guy hears and feels when those words are spoken.

Without making this low-tech writer actually dredge up posts, how about examples such as..."yawn" which I have seen once or twice when the Holocaust is mentioned as a topic, not as a comprison. I have seen references suggesting that Jews have skewed the real number of those that were extinguished and that some real scholastic research should be done. Need I go on or do you recall seeing such posts? Tell me why that is not baiting? Hell, research all ya want, I'll give you all the names of survivors you could ever want to interview, including the war criminals captured or free, including German government officials that admit the sickening truth. Should be the easiest research ever done. Ask some heroic American Liberators what they saw....

I do not, however, even think for a second you or HD or Wheel etc. are antisemitic...I nod in agreement when HD points out that questioning the Nation of Israel's politics and policies makes many Jews unfairly play the antisemite card. He generally has cogent (if short on history) points to make. Disagreeing with Israel is not equal to hating Jews..but likening Jewish policy to the nightmare that nearly wiped out an entire religion, well shall we settle on "strongly insensitive"???

I'm sure you'll be glad to know I am done. You either get it or you don't, I have nothing more to add.

If Jews now own the term "concentration camp" and the rest of the world has to use POW, so be it. Israel need to stop running concentration camps where the concentrate Palestinians that are not prisoners of war.

Israel's strategic intelligence and disciplined experience in how to fight those that use apartment complexes as launch sites is not of any value to the USA in a real war. That would only be of value if we are meddling on some middle eastern craphole. This is very different than a real war that threatened the USA. In that situation, Israel would be useless.

If Israel is surrounded by four walls, then Egypt and Jordan are still enemies even though there are peace treaties and normalized relations. That is the mindset of needing to keep creating new enemies, even when the enemies has moved on. Did you know Egypt supplies 40% of Israel's natural gas needs? In Hamas and Hezbollah, Israel has enemies on the border but need to create the illusion of even greater threats. A key aspect of fascism is creating enemies of the state to give the population an external threat.

Arafat didn't want peace. Israel as the enemy gave him power and wealth. Do not be so naive as to not believe that there are arabs and Israelis doing the exact same thing. Keep in mind you have already been convinced that Egypt and Jordan are still the enemies even though there is a peace treaty and the last shot was fired 37 years ago.

Building brand new shiny subdivisions full of houses and townhomes for 700,000 Israelis in occupied West Bank territory is not the same as a country pushing back its attackers and keeping the land as a security buffer. Remember, the West Bank was Jordanian territory and as part of their peace treaty with Israel, they released any claims on it. Why run it as a concentration camp, why not just annex it as part of the nation of Israel and declare everyone citizens???? Jordan won't complain.

But we can't call it a land grab? Sure, all those nice little settlements are just security buffers!

It is not 1939. It is not 1948. It is not 1953. It is not 1967. It is not 1973. Time to move on.

I agree. End welfare payments to Egypt, Israel and Puerto Rico, etc. Let em stand on their own 2 feet.

Now you're just cranking up the propaganda.

You seemed to miss the part about explaining the West Bank settlements. Building brand new shiny subdivisions full of houses and townhomes for 700,000 Israelis in occupied West Bank territory is not the same as a country pushing back its attackers and keeping the land as a security buffer. Remember, the West Bank was Jordanian territory and as part of their peace treaty with Israel, they released any claims on it. Why run it as a concentration camp, why not just annex it as part of the nation of Israel and declare everyone citizens???? Jordan won't complain.

One of the things you have to decide is if you are a Zionist or support Zionism. If you do then you support the expulsion of all non-Jews from the biblical land of Zion which includes the Palestinian territories. In that case, forcefully removing or exterminating the Palestinians is perfectly fine. In that case, Israel is the aggressor and this is a Biblical war, a mid-evil war out to right the wrongs of the Muslim conquest and the Christian Crusades. Time to take back all of Zion, not co-exist in peace. I'm not real big on the USA funding that effort. It is possible to support Israel but not Zionism.

Terrorism isn't going to be the new war that threatens the USA that Israel will ride to our rescue. Terrorism is an annoyance and a scare tactic but not a military conquering threat. You're overplaying Israel's true capability to be a military ally. Are the Israel's going to defend Alaska or Hawaii? Please.

Iran didn't have a nuclear plant, Iraq did. No one knows who those bombs were built for because no bombs were ever built. You just got the enemy wrong and leaped forward on their weapons capability. Egypt and Jordan are still enemies. You're creating enemies as fast as you can type. Why are there 700,000 Israelis living in settlements in the West Bank and the USA funding it? It still doesn't add up.

Did you know that international treaties regarding the Suez Canal allow for the passage of any nation's commercial or warships? Israel, France, and Britain played a part that last time it was threatened to be closed and the USSR almost jumped into that war. Did you know that one of the two Iranian ships that passed through the Suez Canal was made by the USA 40 years ago and the other is a supply ship. Soon they will be 1000 miles from Iranian air support and 100 miles from the Israeli Air Force. Yes, Israel is now doomed. We need to increase US funding immediately.

By the way, I never said war was profitable for Israel. I said Israel can't afford war without USA funding. That is the opposite. You just created a straw-man and knocked it down. Meanwhile there 700,000 Israelis living in settlements in the West Bank and the USA is funding it.

By the way, I have no guys in Hamas. You just created another straw-man and knocked it down. You just fell into the trap that anyone who criticizes Israeli policy must be a terrorist.

You are following the standard Israeli political hawkish line of thinking. Peace with arab neighbors can only be had through their complete defeat, fear of Israel, and subjugation. Kinda like the US embargo of Cuba, after 60 years of repeating the same thing expecting different results, you might want to try something new. In the meantime, cut all US funding. We also fund Jordan, Lebanon, and Egypt. Screw pay for peace. Let the hawks fight.

By the way, Israelis chanting "Death to Jews" would be pretty stupid.

Exterminating Palestinians. Wow, you blew your cool dude. Didn't mean to do that to you, sorry to you and everyone else that may have suffered through this.
Support who you believe is right and who stands with America.

No further reply required.

It's been a blast. Sincerely.


You would have hated Hebrew School and Bar Mitzvah lessons

Frank...heading to cigar forum for ever!

thanks again for opening up.
your humor remiains intact though. s & s, funny.
good recovery

Good night.

Frank

and a microphone...where it's at!

my fault, Sorry TG and Wheel. Back to the topic...please. I'll behave from now on.

Frank

You have got to be kidding yourself!