HockeyDad wrote:If a real war ever broke out that threatened the USA, our most trusted ally will once again be the United Kingdom. Next will be France and Germany and then the rest of NATO. Israel doesn't have the economic means to come to our aid in any measurable capacity.
Concentration camps have existed during every war. The USA had them in WW2, the Korean Peace Action, the Vietnam Peace Action, and both Iraq conflicts. It is not a German/Jewish/Holocaust term. Israel is running concentration camps, not Nazi-style extermination camps. Israel is not enacting the Final Solution to deal with the Palestinian problem. Israel's concentration camps have no endgame. They can't exterminate the Palestinians, they can't annex the land because it would screw up the Jew/Arab population balance in Israel, and the Palestinians won't leave.
Israel is not surrounded by four walls. Israel is not surrounded by nations committed to its destruction. Israel has peace and normalized relations with Jordan and Egypt, it's two longest borders. The threats of imminent destruction and cries of "Never again" are over exaggerated for political purposes, one of which is to suck US money in. Everybody knows that Israel will turn the entire Middle East into a nuclear wasteland before being overrun. None of the real or perceived threats can explain the need for the Gaza and West Bank concentration camps.
The opposition does recognize Israel's right to exist. The opposition does show Israel on the map but with different borders. Iran recognized Israel's right to exist until the Shah fell from power. The Palestinian Authority recognizes Israel's right to exist. The PA doesn't recognize Israel as a "Jewish State" as demanded in the recent peace talks. I don't care for theocracies as well.
Too many people on all sides stay in power in the Middle East by perpetuating war. Peace neuters them. Arafat is a great example. It serves him right that the French killed him.
It is time to give up on the West Bank land grab. It is time to get USA taxpayer money out of Israel. When Israel wants peace, we can talk.
Not quite done I guess:
POW camps are not the same as the concentration camps referenced here. Spin all you want, just ain't so. True, torture etc shows up in most, but in our discourse we all know the word references Nazi Germany, not the generic term "concentration camp". The gas bills are much lower in most concentration camps. Ikeed, I keed, insensitive lout that I am.
Without Israel's strategic intelligence and disciplined experience in how to fight those that use apartment complexes as launch sites, you can tell the French and others to stay home, they'll just get hurt.
Israel is very much surrounded by four walls, especially since now the small coastline can be threatened. Peace with E and J came because they both attacked and were thrown back so suddenly and forcefully that they were stupified. Elsewise they'd be sniping from condos with children as human shields for CNN cameras just the same as Hamas et al do daily.
60 years ago the world was like you are now, refusing to believe there's a movement afoot to extinguish Jews/Israel. The fact that Israel has refrained from ending this nonsense should be obvious to you that they prefer peace and the right to CO-exist.
Arafat wanted to perpetuate war because he did not want co-existence, he wanted ALL the land, and so do many of them today. Do not be naive. They are not on the map with modified borders, the have been erased. Be pro-Palestinian if you wish, but do not misrepresent their goals.
Ah, the "land grab". There it is. History's first condemnation of a country pushing back its attackers and keeping the land as a security buffer...and actually having returned most of it in previous attempts at negotiating an eternal peace and the start of a Palestinian homeland. To call it a land grab is to promote the inference that Israel started that war and stole land. Readers, look it up.