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Right, we liberals have no morals. Moron.

Regardless of that government still knows best how to teach children.

Umm, how can wishing for someone to find salvation (by ANY definition of that word) be considered as self centered?

You're so hell bent set on trying to use the fancy words that you've lost track of their meaning.

Stop. Regroup. Collect your thoughts.
They're right there.
On the left...

apachelm wrote:
Religious and Moral instruction are 2 different things even though most Liberals don't think so.





Fuzz,
Now you're just getting flustered.
He never said that you libs have no morals. He simply stated that religious and moral instruction are 2 different things.

You wonder why so many are aiming their retorts in your direction. But this time you gotta look in the mirror.

Although based on what I've read to date, I'd not be surprised if you didn't have one for just that reason.

A bitter kept man is no way to go through life son.

If you're not too terribly busy...can you run out and get the dry cleaning?

Cocky? Smarmy? Self centered? Isn't just as cocky of you to support your opinion and call it "real?" An opinion is an opinion - you don't have to agree or disagree. I respect your right of non-belief - shouldn't you respect others?

Further, how does it hurt anyone to pray for them? If there is no God then there is no harm! Seems to me that it's most beneficial to have both bases covered just in case there really is a God - a "no harm, no foul" sort of position.

Someone is obsessed and/or jealous. You actually think you are offending me with this childish bs?

Actually, if you want the honest to God truth...NEITHER!


I can't imagine shuffling 'round the house in slippers all day.

Does your Boss KNOW you're typing on her computer?

Fuzz,
Do you even know what the evolution debate is?
Except among a small fraction of religious zealots, most people understand that evolution DOES exist. Animals and plants DO evolve. This isn't a theory, it's fact.

But that's not what gets people into a tizzy.
It's when we discuss how man evolved. Or what we evolved from.
Some say it was the monkey (or varios other primative primates). Some say it was from a higher being (God, alien, etc).

And here's the kicker: Neither side has any real proof.
One side relies on beliefs and speculation.
The other side relies on theory and innuendo. In other words: speculation. And belief.

I'd be happy to debate it with you, but you'd be sorely dissappointed because although I believe in God I don't always take the Bible as literally as some.
My point isn't to discuss the merits and flaws of these ideas. Just to prove a point (and make a funny).

So if you think I have a major misunderstanding of pretty much everything having to do with science, you'd be very much wrong. The Theory of Evolution includes some mind boggling leaps of faith, and much of the "proof" has been reverse engineered to fit into a preconceived notion.
Again, I'm not telling you Adam and Eve were real, or even that there is any proof either way.
Just simply that both sides have some compelling facts (the creationists use facts to dispell evolution, rather than to prove their own belief) and if you didn't have a horse in the race it would be quite intriguing.

For the record, I don't think that creationism shoudl be taught it public schools.
Although intelligent design, if scripted correctly, could co-exist with Evolution since neither can be sold as fact.

Remember, scientists used to KNOW the world was flat. So be careful with how much weight you give a theory.

F him too.

You are still a disguntled person who believes he knows the answers to everything. You call people "moron's" and other names and frequently tell people to "f-off." What a fine piece of humanity you are and your family must be so proud.

I often say I won't comment on your posts yet I end up doing so anyways because I try to appeal to your sense of decency and respect. Yet, I frequently forget that you choose not to be decent and respectful. Just because someone treats you with disrespect doesn't mean you have to shovel it right back. Yet, you do and you continue to claim you are right and everyone else is wrong.

I'm going to have to boycott posting about you because it's obvious you don't care what others think, you have no interest in learning other opinions, and you don't respect the opinions of others.

Good day.....

So why did the "study" and you lump them together? Then later in the thread you just dropped the moral part altogether and said 72 or 78% (don't remember which) home schooled for Religious reasons.

I guess because I forgot to type it. You read it in other posts, so you know I didn't misrepresent the study intentionally now right?

Why did you say most liberals don't have morals when you gotta know that's not true?

That is NOT what I said!

This IS what I said:

Religious and Moral instruction are 2 different things even though most Liberals don't think so.

Ok then, you didn't mean it that way. My bad. I apologize then. Tell me then what the hell do you mean? I would actually think the opposite to be honest. One can have morals without religion. Conservatives tend to think they are one in the same. So what are you getting at?

More accurate would be a circle of like minded individuals, I have met them yet do not know them well enough to be friends. Why the need for sarcasm? I am attempting to have a civil discussion no need to get to that level. I read somewhere that sarcasm is the final defense of the weaker mind. (smile)

While your experience in school is relevant to you and others, its not the only way both topics can be addressed. I feel the possibility is there for religion and science to co exist. Apparently you do not, once again can we agree to disagree?


I have not insulted you nor disrespected you in any way and other than the delusional quip and the aforementioned sarcasm, you have been quite civil. For this I thank you.


See folks we need not deteriorate discussions to the levels that happen so frequently. This was the purpose of my original post.

The need for sarcasm is because you are quibbling over the word 'friends' instead of 'people you know' when it is obvious what the meaning was, so it was an unnecessary diversion.

And did I not say my experience, and you and your 'circle of like minded individuals' don't matter as it relates to the country as a whole? I'll answer that, I did.

I also said religion and science can co-exist, just not in each others realm. Science is not taught in sunday school, nor should religion be taught in science class.

I am usually civil unless insulted, then I fire back.

Fuzz, I was not trying to be arrogant in what I said... I will pray for you Fuzz, because you need it and I am a religious man...

Lol, not sure how I did that, but whatever you need to make yourself feel better I guess.

How can they? Can you use scientific theory to prove Biblical parables or prophesy or notions of the afterlife?

Can you bring a religious text into the laboratory and use it to prove something like a chemical reaction?

What could you do in either case where you think they can exist in each others realm?

You say there is no God and I'M the arrogant one??? Get over myself? Don't you find it funny how I am stupid for believing but, if someone says that you not believing is stupid you take offense? Sorry Fuzz... Since you don't want or need my help, when you get where you are going, tell Hitler he deserves to be there, and let Darwin know he was wrong...

Liberals -= American Taliban

Yeah, perfect analogy. You ever think about running for congress?

Is it not possible to offer each possibility? In the context of evolution and creation, no where am I aware even in parochial institutions are lab tests effected by religious dogma. The only science in dispute is creation vs evolution, and you say they cannot be presented in the same classroom?

I guess I have a more liberal view of possibilities than some. Or it might just be naivete on my part. Either way I am willing to expose students to more than one point of view of any given topic. Thus no topic can be excluded. Just the way I am I guess.