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FuzzNJ Offline
#201 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 10:14 AM EST
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hank56 wrote:
Interesting, so it might be argued that scientists have "faith" in their conclusions/data? Isn't faith belief in something without supportive facts? To take it another leap, science is therefore their religion? It can be argued that is a logical progression, true?

Religion is not exclusive to belief in a supreme being or creationism IMO, but more so the following of any dogma/teachings. It can also be argued that atheism is a religion by definition. Google it!

If you do Google that point you will find supportive info of that theory. I agree google is a tool to find more info, but there may be more/different info than one would agree with.


Just a thought.


And a really, really bad thought at that Hank. Sorry, big time fail.

The non belief in something does not make it that thing. Atheism is a religion as much as not playing baseball is a sport, or not collecting beany babies is a hobby.

Saying science is a religion is just trying to put something a person doesn't understand or is skeptical of in a framework they do. Science tests, repeats, is peer reviewed and will adjust if proven incorrect. There is no such thing in any religion.
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#202 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 10:17 AM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
Fuzz

What are your thoughts on the origin of matter?


Who the hell knows? How about time? That's a major mind f*ck. These questions are beyond human understanding at this point. Hell, the size of the universe is impossible to comprehend.
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#203 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 10:26 AM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Who the hell knows? How about time? That's a major mind f*ck. These questions are beyond human understanding at this point. Hell, the size of the universe is impossible to comprehend.



Matter was not created by some magical God. It was created by some other magic.
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#204 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 10:26 AM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Who the hell knows? How about time? That's a major mind f*ck. These questions are beyond human understanding at this point. Hell, the size of the universe is impossible to comprehend.


I agree. My outlook is similar to Tailgaters I guess. Evolution can be proven (to an extent), but the idea that matter and life, even 1 living cell, can just appear out of nowhere is ridiculous to me. I believe that there is some sort of "divine presence" in the universe, but to claim to know what it is, what it wants, what makes it happy, etc., is the highest example of the arrogance of man.
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#205 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 10:29 AM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
I agree. My outlook is similar to Tailgaters I guess. Evolution can be proven (to an extent), but the idea that matter and life, even 1 living cell, can just appear out of nowhere is ridiculous to me. I believe that there is some sort of "divine presence" in the universe, but to claim to know what it is, what it wants, what makes it happy, etc., is the highest example of the arrogance of man.




It is a bit of a stretch for many to believe that they scientifically evolved from non-living mud.
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#206 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 10:31 AM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Who the hell knows? How about time? That's a major mind f*ck. These questions are beyond human understanding at this point. Hell, the size of the universe is impossible to comprehend.


And that is why some people can't wrap their head around religion...

We are at opposite ends of the spectrum on a lot of things, you and I... At the end of the day Fuzz, I respect you...

I must admit the conversation has been entertaining... Glad you are back...
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#207 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 10:32 AM EST
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I'm not sure why the original non-living mud that spontaneously created the living thing that we all evolved from didn't keep spontaneously creating a bunch of other living things and why is still isn't spontaneously creating a bunch of new living things still today.

It's like it said "One and done!"
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#208 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 10:35 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
It is a bit of a stretch for many to believe that they scientifically evolved from non-living mud.


You could actually convince me that we evolved from mud. What you can't convince me of is that the mud appeared by itself, out of nowhere.

My biggest beef with evolution is that it can only explain what happened after the appearance of the mud.
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#209 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 10:44 AM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
I agree. My outlook is similar to Tailgaters I guess. Evolution can be proven (to an extent), but the idea that matter and life, even 1 living cell, can just appear out of nowhere is ridiculous to me. I believe that there is some sort of "divine presence" in the universe, but to claim to know what it is, what it wants, what makes it happy, etc., is the highest example of the arrogance of man.


The universe doesn't want anything, nor does it have emotions of any kind. To personify it is ridiculous.

And I know it seems ridiculous, but:

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/05/ribonucleotides/

First steps in proving it.

Believe what you need to believe to make it, fantastic. My father is a retired evangelical minister and I love my parents to death. That's not the issue. Just don't claim something isn't true or hasn't been studied or proven when it has. Denying these things don't really help anything or anyone.
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#210 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 10:46 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Matter was not created by some magical God. It was created by some other magic.


Yes, magic, Doug Henning created matter with the help of wizards. Sarcasm

Can't believe it, but I think I'm going to actually have to post the sarcasm thing from now on just to be safe.
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#211 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 10:48 AM EST
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elk hunter wrote:
And that is why some people can't wrap their head around religion...

We are at opposite ends of the spectrum on a lot of things, you and I... At the end of the day Fuzz, I respect you...

I must admit the conversation has been entertaining... Glad you are back...


Wow, thanks. An actual non hostile post. I don't know what to say, so that's it.
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#212 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 10:49 AM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
You could actually convince me that we evolved from mud. What you can't convince me of is that the mud appeared by itself, out of nowhere.

My biggest beef with evolution is that it can only explain what happened after the appearance of the mud.





Well some things you just have to accept with a leap of faith!
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#213 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 10:51 AM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
You could actually convince me that we evolved from mud. What you can't convince me of is that the mud appeared by itself, out of nowhere.

My biggest beef with evolution is that it can only explain what happened after the appearance of the mud.


That's not evolutionary science, it's theoretical physics and those guys are wicked smart.
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#214 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 10:52 AM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
First steps in proving it.


Proving what exactly? That scientists can combine things that already exist and prove a hypothesis?
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#215 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 10:53 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Well some things you just have to accept with a leap of faith!



Shame on you, HD. We are discussing evolution. No need to drop F-bombs.
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#216 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 10:53 AM EST
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I have lots of this



faith   /feɪθ/ Show Spelled
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–noun
1. confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.
2. belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3. belief in god or in the doctrines or teachings of religion: the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
4. belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit, etc.: to be of the same faith with someone concerning honesty.
5. a system of religious belief: the Christian faith; the Jewish faith.
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#217 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 10:53 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I'm not sure why the original non-living mud that spontaneously created the living thing that we all evolved from didn't keep spontaneously creating a bunch of other living things and why is still isn't spontaneously creating a bunch of new living things still today.

It's like it said "One and done!"



Lmao, man didn't stop evolving when we got thumbs. These things don't happen overnight, you really can't be serious with a comment like that can you? These processes take millions of years punctuated by disasters that may cause a quick jump every 100 million years or so.
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#218 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 10:57 AM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
Proving what exactly? That scientists can combine things that already exist and prove a hypothesis?




No.

“By changing the way we mix the ingredients together, we managed to make ribonucleotides,” said Sutherland. “The chemistry works very effectively from simple precursors, and the conditions required are not distinct from what one might imagine took place on the early Earth.”

Like other would-be nucleotide synthesizers, Sutherland’s team included phosphate in their mix, but rather than adding it to sugars and nucleobases, they started with an array of even simpler molecules that were probably also in Earth’s primordial ooze.

They mixed the molecules in water, heated the solution, then allowed it to evaporate, leaving behind a residue of hybrid, half-sugar, half-nucleobase molecules. To this residue they again added water, heated it, allowed it evaporate, and then irradiated it.

At each stage of the cycle, the resulting molecules were more complex. At the final stage, Sutherland’s team added phosphate. “Remarkably, it transformed into the ribonucleotide!” said Sutherland.

According to Sutherland, these laboratory conditions resembled those of the life-originating “warm little pond” hypothesized by Charles Darwin if the pond “evaporated, got heated, and then it rained and the sun shone.”



Now where all the matter came from in the first place, we already discussed that's still an unknown, but they were able to re-create how that matter became a more complex organism without divine intervention.
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#219 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 10:58 AM EST
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fishinguitarman wrote:
I have lots of this



faith   /feɪθ/ Show Spelled
[feyth] Show IPA

–noun
1. confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.
2. belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3. belief in god or in the doctrines or teachings of religion: the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
4. belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit, etc.: to be of the same faith with someone concerning honesty.
5. a system of religious belief: the Christian faith; the Jewish faith.


I have a lot of 1 and 4
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#220 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 10:58 AM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Lmao, man didn't stop evolving when we got thumbs. These things don't happen overnight, you really can't be serious with a comment like that can you? These processes take millions of years punctuated by disasters that may cause a quick jump every 100 million years or so.




The non-living mud has had plenty of time to produce something else. Our whole evolution chain has been rolling for millions of years and the mud is just taking a day off? Lazy fricking mud......make something else.

You're gonna tell me the only reason the non-living mud made something in the first place is because some disaster caused it to burp something out?
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#221 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 11:03 AM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
I have a lot of 1 and 4





3 & 5 for me as well.
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#222 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 11:05 AM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:


Now where all the matter came from in the first place, we already discussed that's still an unknown, but they were able to re-create how that matter became a more complex organism without divine intervention.


We didn't really "discuss" it, but OK.

Fuzz...you should become a politician. I'm not saying that to insult you. Honestly. You have a gift.
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#223 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 11:10 AM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:


Now where all the matter came from in the first place, we already discussed that's still an unknown, but they were able to re-create how that matter became a more complex organism without divine intervention.




Slow down there!

They were able to create RNA by combining the right elements. They made a leap of faith when they stated "and the conditions required are not distinct from what one might imagine took place on the early Earth".


You just made a huge leap of faith and declared it a "more complex organism". You just magically turned it into a living thing!
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#224 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 11:13 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
The non-living mud has had plenty of time to produce something else. Our whole evolution chain has been rolling for millions of years and the mud is just taking a day off? Lazy fricking mud......make something else.

You're gonna tell me the only reason the non-living mud made something in the first place is because some disaster caused it to burp something out?


No, the mud was bored and was thinking what should I do today? It asked god say, 'what should I do'? So god said, 'let's work on making ****' yada yada, animals, fish, trees, human male, take rib, human female, etc. bah, I'm bored with this story. post over.
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#225 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 11:15 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Slow down there!

They were able to create RNA by combining the right elements. They made a leap of faith when they stated "and the conditions required are not distinct from what one might imagine took place on the early Earth".


You just made a huge leap of faith and declared it a "more complex organism". You just magically turned it into a living thing!


Sigh, no I did not. I said in an earlier post, first step in proving it.

Holy crap. You are grasping here.
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#226 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 11:15 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
You just magically turned it into a living thing!


Will it now be required by law to get vaccinated against HPV? Eh?

EDIT: nevermind...it has to evolve into a human first.
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#227 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 11:16 AM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
We didn't really "discuss" it, but OK.

Fuzz...you should become a politician. I'm not saying that to insult you. Honestly. You have a gift.


I've f'd too many women and done too many drugs to do that, plus I have very little patience for BS.
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#228 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 11:16 AM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Sigh, no I did not. I said in an earlier post, first step in proving it.

Holy crap. You are grasping here.





RNA is not a more complex organism. It is something that exists in living organisms.
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#229 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 11:17 AM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
Will it now be required by law to get vaccinated against HPV? Eh?



Prolly,, if it is one of them "loose" organisms in Texas!
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#230 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 11:22 AM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
I've f'd too many women and done too many drugs to do that, plus I have very little patience for BS.


Just hire the Clinton Death Squad to eliminate anyone who has dirt on you!
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#231 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 11:26 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
RNA is not a more complex organism. It is something that exists in living organisms.


I'm sorry, I should have said molecule, and it is more complex than the ingredients they started with.

See? I corrected myself again. I do that when I'm wrong.
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#232 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 11:27 AM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
Just hire the Clinton Death Squad to eliminate anyone who has dirt on you!



Um, no such thing existed and if one did, not my style.
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#233 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 11:40 AM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Did you or did you not cut the quote short? Did Darwin say that, as your truncated quote is lead to make you believe, that natural selection is absurd in the highest degree? And does not the rest of the quote contradict that? Is this not the same quote, and the same tactic used for decades by creationists in an attempt to show that Darwin thought natural selection was a hoax?

The answer to all of those questions is yes. That is dishonest.

You also embrace the theory as truth, you have said so yourself. What you think is apparently, that each species was created and then evolves within that species.

For that you would need to do a more in depth study of evolutionary theory, and nothing I can say would be enough to convince you as I am not an expert, nor do I have the ability to explain it as well as the professionals.

Intelligent design is just creationism repackaged and some of the stories like the talking snake removed.



Regarding the quote: I had read it quite a while back and when I found it on google it was in it's form as provided in my post. I wish it had the entire quote because as I later explained it actually supported MY stance regarding the world being flat (he used sun orbiting the earth, but same thing)

But you keep having difficulty regarding evolution vs theory of evolution.
The two are related, but decidedly different if only in scope.
And that is not a minor difference.

Creationism vs Intelligent Design
Yes, the two are similar, but ID removes the religious context and is therefore superior for this discussion.
ID also can be related to unintentional happenstance.

Here's a hypothetical:
Let's say that a meteor hit the earth and deposited small living creatures. And those creatures DID evolve into many of todays living things.
This flies in the face of the single major premise that seperates Darwins theory from Intelligent Design: life from the unliving.
It also dismisses an Intelligent Design explanation, for it was neither intelligent, nor by design.

Sure, it includes a great deal of evolution, so many in the scientific community would say it somehow "proves" they were right. But that is what I mean by "reverse engineering" to fit their preconceived notions.

I'm not debating whether evolution happens. It does.
But anyone who thinks that we know or understand the the answers is fooling themselves. For every hypothetical someone provides, for every concept about creation and the beginning of life or the universe itself, there are millions of other possibilitiest that we haven't thought of yet.

But in the meantime, we've got two main concepts.
And despite my scientific educational background, I have to ask: Who is the bigger hypocrit?
The Creationists who'd like to include thier beliefs and accompanying facts into the discussion?
Or the Dawin/life from the unliving crowd who refuse to accept any opposing viewpoints?
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#234 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 11:58 AM EST
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borndead1 wrote:

My biggest beef with evolution is that it can only explain what happened after the appearance of the mud.


Okay, so God made the mud. Now where did God come from? If God always existed, why couldn't the mud have always existed?
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#235 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 12:06 PM EST
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Oh and FuzzNJ, calling people idiots or other insults just makes them stop listening to you. You'll never convince anyone of anything that way. But maybe you don't want to convince anyone of anything, maybe you're just looking for attention. I guess you've succeeded in that case.
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#236 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 12:38 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Regarding the quote: I had read it quite a while back and when I found it on google it was in it's form as provided in my post. I wish it had the entire quote because as I later explained it actually supported MY stance regarding the world being flat (he used sun orbiting the earth, but same thing)

But you keep having difficulty regarding evolution vs theory of evolution.
The two are related, but decidedly different if only in scope.
And that is not a minor difference.

Creationism vs Intelligent Design
Yes, the two are similar, but ID removes the religious context and is therefore superior for this discussion.
ID also can be related to unintentional happenstance.

Here's a hypothetical:
Let's say that a meteor hit the earth and deposited small living creatures. And those creatures DID evolve into many of todays living things.
This flies in the face of the single major premise that seperates Darwins theory from Intelligent Design: life from the unliving.
It also dismisses an Intelligent Design explanation, for it was neither intelligent, nor by design.

Sure, it includes a great deal of evolution, so many in the scientific community would say it somehow "proves" they were right. But that is what I mean by "reverse engineering" to fit their preconceived notions.

I'm not debating whether evolution happens. It does.
But anyone who thinks that we know or understand the the answers is fooling themselves. For every hypothetical someone provides, for every concept about creation and the beginning of life or the universe itself, there are millions of other possibilitiest that we haven't thought of yet.

But in the meantime, we've got two main concepts.
And despite my scientific educational background, I have to ask: Who is the bigger hypocrit?
The Creationists who'd like to include thier beliefs and accompanying facts into the discussion?
Or the Dawin/life from the unliving crowd who refuse to accept any opposing viewpoints?



ID removes the religious context??? How the hell does it do that? It supposes an intelligent creator right there in the damn name for crying out loud. What a crock of crap.

Secondly, Darwin theory is not what is in question here. He is the first to propose, in writing, the ideas that lead to evolutionary science. Over 100 years have passed with volumes and volumes of more knowledge, study and evidence have been written, done and collected. Because of that Darwin has been proven wrong, time and time again.

And once again, please stop bringing up the canard that there is anyone that claims to know everything in the science or reality based world. I've said over and over that is simply not true, not been claimed in any way, at all, ever. There are always other possibilities being considered, tested etc. However, all available evidence that we have at our disposal at this time is pointing to one and only one direction, and this is universally accepted by the scientific community. Is that saying they have 'ALL' the answers? Again, hell no, so please, I'm begging you, don't bring that up again as it is simply not true.

Hypocrite? In this situation? It's a not a question of hypocrisy, it's a question of science vs not-science. Simple as that. If one would like to discuss one of the numerous creation myths it should be done in the context of a religion class, not a science class. Opposing viewpoints are welcome in a science class when they meet the requirements of science. Not hard concepts at all.
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#237 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 12:40 PM EST
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tweoijfoi wrote:
Oh and FuzzNJ, calling people idiots or other insults just makes them stop listening to you. You'll never convince anyone of anything that way. But maybe you don't want to convince anyone of anything, maybe you're just looking for attention. I guess you've succeeded in that case.


I don't remember doing that, I may have though. Show me where?
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#238 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 12:49 PM EST
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"FuzzNJ" wrote:
Thanks for admitting that the sh*t you idiots post is f'ing stupid and makes no sense whatsoever.

"FuzzNJ" wrote:
36: I cleaned it up, idiot. And not a joke. You were banned for it.

"FuzzNJ" wrote:
If not, you are a HUGE idiot, I mean seriously, HUGE.

"FuzzNJ" wrote:
70: Because I wasn't alive at the time, I know nothing about it? Great. So quit talking about Jesus. You idiot.


"FuzzNJ" wrote:
7: lol, family time, idiot boy, family time.



"FuzzNJ" wrote:
Yeah. We hate our government so much we are willing to kill, but say, can we get a lawyer paid for with public money please?

Freakin' idiots.



"FuzzNJ" wrote:
"As near as I can determine you have a momma and poppa who have immigrated, worked their asses off and you detest them;"

Idiot.




list goes on and on..
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#239 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 1:02 PM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
Fuzz

What are your thoughts on the origin of matter?



Google it.

Sorry if I took your thought Fuzz.
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#240 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 1:11 PM EST
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tweoijfoi wrote:
list goes on and on..


Oh, thought you meant on this thread.

Yeah, I've done that.

Don't remember the first idiot comment

The second idiot was to the guy who called me a homosexual pedophile (that's how I cleaned it up), and I stand by it, actually he is more than an idiot, but that language is frowned upon here. I made an extremely rude and vulgar post directed at him following that and stand by that one as well.

Don't remember 3, can't give the context, but I didn't call whoever that was an idiot, looks like I said 'if' something.

4 is a Bill Hicks joke, and I think idiot actually replaced something worse.

5, I think, was directed at donutboy, and yes, from all available evidence, he's an idiot.

6 I was calling the militia people who killed someone then asked for government paid lawyers, they also are idiots.

7 Whoever that was, can't remember, told me I hate my parents. He was an idiot.

So yeah, I stand by all those I remember wholeheartedly. I didn't call anyone on this board an idiot for just disagreeing with me or not 'believing' in something. I've been on the receiving end of much worse than that. If people are offended by that after insulting me directly they are wussies.
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#241 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 1:13 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Google it.

Sorry if I took your thought Fuzz.


I don't make a practice of googling my thoughts. You?
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#242 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 1:21 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
I don't make a practice of googling my thoughts. You?



That's all you've done.

You make wild and childish claims but can't back a thing up. Then when you're called out on it you tell everyone to "Google it!".

It really would be refreshing to see just where all of this "research", "polling data" and "references" really are just so we could have a debate, but that's not what you're here for. I'm beginning to think you really like the abuse that gets piled up on you and your belief structure becaue you offer nothing to back it up. Your opinion is, well...your opinion. That's great and all, but it's not fact. It doesn't hold water to what you're telling anyone either.

That's why i firmly believe you're full of BS. If you actually did all of this research you'd be able to cite it, but you can't. The best you've been able to do is offer up a year...2003. That was 8 years ago. I'm willing to bet that in that time whatever you were scribbling moustaches and glasses on has been updated and altered several times over! Perhaps thats the reason you choose not to share any of this material because it would really out you as an intellectual fraud!

The ball is in your court again, but you and I both know that all you're going to do is punt.
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#243 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 1:34 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
That's all you've done.

You make wild and childish claims but can't back a thing up. Then when you're called out on it you tell everyone to "Google it!".

It really would be refreshing to see just where all of this "research", "polling data" and "references" really are just so we could have a debate, but that's not what you're here for. I'm beginning to think you really like the abuse that gets piled up on you and your belief structure becaue you offer nothing to back it up. Your opinion is, well...your opinion. That's great and all, but it's not fact. It doesn't hold water to what you're telling anyone either.

That's why i firmly believe you're full of BS. If you actually did all of this research you'd be able to cite it, but you can't. The best you've been able to do is offer up a year...2003. That was 8 years ago. I'm willing to bet that in that time whatever you were scribbling moustaches and glasses on has been updated and altered several times over! Perhaps thats the reason you choose not to share any of this material because it would really out you as an intellectual fraud!

The ball is in your court again, but you and I both know that all you're going to do is punt.


lmao, yes, as I've explained, there are some things that have way too many links and information to just put in a post. For example, I told wheel to google self awareness in animal species. What's the big deal? Lots of info to answer his question.

I also said google a study and gave like 4 or 5 keywords, one being 2003, the most comprehensive latest study, that would have made the thing and several other related things pop up where all someone had to do is just click and find out whatever they wanted about it and rebut me. If you want to bet, please go find newer stuff. I tried to find newer data that was as comprehensive, but couldn't.

I can't help if you are just too intellectually lazy to click a few links. You want to be spoon fed the information after it's been mashed up and interpreted for you already so you know what to think, just go back to watching foxnews or something.

Does one actually punt on a court with a ball? Sounds like a mixed metaphor.
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#244 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 1:38 PM EST
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Passive aggressive kept man outrage!
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#245 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 1:43 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Passive aggressive kept man outrage!


And here I thought you were just a comic genius! I had no idea you were the resident Jung. We must appeal to the moderators to start another forum just so that you can give everyone here the benefit of your clinical insight. I'll get right on that.
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#246 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 1:44 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
And here I thought you were just a comic genius! I had no idea you were the resident Jung. We must appeal to the moderators to start another forum just so that you can give everyone here the benefit of your clinical insight. I'll get right on that.



You do that.
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#247 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 1:46 PM EST
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But not before you change out loads in the laundry and head out to the store for Easter dinner!Frying pan
FuzzNJ Offline
#248 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 1:55 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
But not before you change out loads in the laundry and head out to the store for Easter dinner!Frying pan


Washing machine broke, had a new one delivered yesterday, 3.9 cu ft lg front load with steam or something like that, and they couldn't install it because I need new hook ups. So now I'm waiting for a plumber to install new faucets, and while he's here I'll have him replace the outside faucets. All that stuff is original to the house, so it very old. Then they'll bring the washer tomorrow. My daughters do most of the laundry anyway. They are old enough and chores are good for kids and makes them responsible adults.

For easter dinner, we're having my parents and some friends over. I'm making beef wellington with a peppercorn sauce, roasted fingerling potatoes, fresh asparagus from my garden and not sure what else yet. Should be good.

So yeah, there is that stuff to do. Thanks for reminding me.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#249 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 2:05 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Washing machine broke, had a new one delivered yesterday, 3.9 cu ft lg front load with steam or something like that, and they couldn't install it because I need new hook ups. So now I'm waiting for a plumber to install new faucets, and while he's here I'll have him replace the outside faucets. All that stuff is original to the house, so it very old. Then they'll bring the washer tomorrow. My daughters do most of the laundry anyway. They are old enough and chores are good for kids and makes them responsible adults.

For easter dinner, we're having my parents and some friends over. I'm making beef wellington with a peppercorn sauce, roasted fingerling potatoes, fresh asparagus from my garden and not sure what else yet. Should be good.

So yeah, there is that stuff to do. Thanks for reminding me.



Jeez...I guess the Google is broken for you to use. If it was working you'd be able to see just what part you'd need and you could go to Home Depot with the kids. Maybe make 2 or 3 trips too! Then again, I'm sure the Boss wouldn't want you to use her tool set!whip

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#250 Posted: Fri, Apr 22 2011, 2:23 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Jeez...I guess the Google is broken for you to use. If it was working you'd be able to see just what part you'd need and you could go to Home Depot with the kids. Maybe make 2 or 3 trips too! Then again, I'm sure the Boss wouldn't want you to use her tool set!whip



Naw, I can't replace faucets. I'm not a plumber! I have no idea what I'd be doing. Just like you with logic and reasoning, plumbing is something I should avoid at all costs.
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