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jig+pig Offline
#1 Posted: Mon, May 9 2011, 7:10 PM EST
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I just received an e-mail stating c-bid and ALL on line cigar shops can no longer send cigars to Maryland!
WTF!? somebody please tell me the effing scumbag politicians have WAY more important things to do than be concerned about where I get MY cigars!!!!!!

Believe me when I tell you this is not the end. The next thing those ****'s will do is tell YOU where to buy your groceries!!

GET READY!!!!!!!!!
robertknyc Offline
#2 Posted: Mon, May 9 2011, 7:30 PM EST
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Wow, if true, sorry to hear it. Too many Democrats in that state.
jig+pig Offline
#3 Posted: Mon, May 9 2011, 7:39 PM EST
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robertknyc wrote:
Wow, if true, sorry to hear it. Too many Democrats in that state.


YEP! problem with the whole damn country!
watchurai Offline
#4 Posted: Mon, May 9 2011, 7:40 PM EST
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Bloody just forwarded the email to me. What a crock o' bull.
donutboy2000 Offline
#5 Posted: Mon, May 9 2011, 8:33 PM EST
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NO JUSTICE




NO PEACE !!!
robertknyc Offline
#6 Posted: Mon, May 9 2011, 8:47 PM EST
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Okay, now I'm noticing the disappearing posts.
FuzzNJ Offline
#7 Posted: Mon, May 9 2011, 8:52 PM EST
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robertknyc wrote:
Okay, now I'm noticing the disappearing posts.


Lies
Peoria Perfecto Purveyor Offline
#8 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 4:12 AM EST
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It's all about the almighty $$$

You buy ceegar in local shpo ... Maryland make tax $$$

You order on line ... Maryland NOT make tax $$$

Same thing with internet poker.

Try to convince me that they are looking out for the US citizens.

BULLSH!T !!!

They just are pissed that nobody pays taxes on their winnings.

Now they have shut down practically every offshore internet poker site.

Soon, they will open sites in US and send W2 to each winning player at the years end to pay tax on their winnings.

They do not care about us ... they are just a bunch of greedy stupid bastards.

If they would legalize marijuana and sell it like cigarettes and liquor ... they could have the national debt paid off in a matter of time.

I stopped smoking 20 something years ago, and just because it is legal is not going to induce me to start smoking it again.

AND LET IT BE KNOWN >>>

I am perfectly healthy with no desire to kill myself.

So, if I am found dead anytime soon, assume some feds read this post and knocked me off.
rfenst Offline
#9 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 6:05 AM EST
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jig+pig wrote:
I just received an e-mail stating c-bid and ALL on line cigar shops can no longer send cigars to Maryland!
WTF!? somebody please tell me the effing scumbag politicians have WAY more important things to do than be concerned about where I get MY cigars!!!!!!

Believe me when I tell you this is not the end. The next thing those ****'s will do is tell YOU where to buy your groceries!!

GET READY!!!!!!!!!


This is nothing new. It is just a way from keeping people from skirting local and state tax laws.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#10 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 6:25 AM EST
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jig+pig wrote:
I just received an e-mail stating c-bid and ALL on line cigar shops can no longer send cigars to Maryland!
WTF!? somebody please tell me the effing scumbag politicians have WAY more important things to do than be concerned about where I get MY cigars!!!!!!

Believe me when I tell you this is not the end. The next thing those ****'s will do is tell YOU where to buy your groceries!!

GET READY!!!!!!!!!


Just start beating them all up.ram27bat

You can try to intimidate them too, but that doesn't work.Frying pan
jig+pig Offline
#11 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 7:32 AM EST
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#8

totally agree with legalizing pot! but again, the politicians are telling you it's BAD...BAD...BAD!

meanwhile, the same politicians are getting poop faced from they're vodka tonics and killing people by running off bridges!
jig+pig Offline
#12 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 7:35 AM EST
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#10

believe me when I tell ya....if i thought it would fix things in this state and I thought I could get away w/ it I would have already kicked some asses!

At least tried!
DrafterX Offline
#13 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 7:58 AM EST
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well, at least you still have the Rivera Club.... Mellow
richokeeffe Offline
#14 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 9:08 AM EST
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another case where cigars are lumped in with all tobacco products. For about a year, it has been a class C felony here in my state to ship more than one ounce of pipe tobacco to a resident - I fear that cigars will get lumped in soon in the next anti-smoking attempts.

Now if all those tax scofflaws who received pipe tobacco in the mail had just reported their items and paid the required taxes like we cigar smokers do when we order from the internet .... Sarcasm
ZRX1200 Offline
#15 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 9:35 AM EST
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Support your local public employees !!!
Tax dodgers.....
Northsidepk Offline
#16 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 9:46 AM EST
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Hey Illinois just raised their state income tax to 7%. I don't hear any outcry about that.


Add the Fed. Income tax, Social Sec. Medicare and state income tax and a person making 75K+ a year in Illinois now gives up close to 40% of their income in taxes.


How would you like to make 75K a year and take home less than 35K after you contribute to your own 401K and buy your own health insurance.
FuzzNJ Offline
#17 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 9:51 AM EST
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#97 Posted: Yesterday, 8:51 PM

jig+pig wrote:
IT'S THOSE/THESE DUMBASSED DEMOCRATS THAT JUST PASSED A BILL IN MARYLAND THAT WILL NOT ALLOW ME TO HAVE CIGARS SHIPPED TO MY HOUSE!

FU###NG DEMOCRATS, LIBERAL PUKES!


lmao, all caps and everything. I don't like that law either. But you do know it's not just Democrats who support legislation like this, right? Laws like this have been proposed and are spreading all over the country. States are losing a lot of tax revenue to other states from sales over the internet. I used to buy cigarettes from Switzerland, but that was stopped years ago because no one was getting taxes from it. Same concept with the banning of internet poker, which was mostly heralded by the right and criticized by (gulp) Barney Frank. But go on your rant if it makes you feel better.

_______________________________

Gosh, Fuzz was first with the correct information again. Good for me. ;)
jig+pig Offline
#18 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 10:05 AM EST
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fuzz, you must be liberal?? Nothing personal, but aren't you tired of the gov raising taxes to pay for EVERYBODY else to stay home on their fat asses? I know I for one am darn tired of paying for little Shenaynay or little Johnny because their mommy's daddy is too effing lazy to work for themselves! I see this crap every day where I live and work! EVERY DAY!
FuzzNJ Offline
#19 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 10:13 AM EST
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jig+pig wrote:
fuzz, you must be liberal?? Nothing personal, but aren't you tired of the gov raising taxes to pay for EVERYBODY else to stay home on their fat asses? I know I for one am darn tired of paying for little Shenaynay or little Johnny because their mommy's daddy is too effing lazy to work for themselves! I see this crap every day where I live and work! EVERY DAY!


lol, I live in the highest taxed state in the country. Not including unemployment, the government spends around 300 billion or so on welfare programs and almost 900 billion on military expenditures. I am more upset with the latter.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#20 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 10:15 AM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
lol, I live in the highest taxed state in the country. Not including unemployment, the government spends around 300 billion or so on welfare programs and almost 900 billion on military expenditures. I am more upset with the latter.



Its your decision where you live.

There are several counties here in Florida that are much larger than NJ...just sayin'.
robertknyc Offline
#21 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 10:23 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Its your decision where you live.


HIS decision?
FuzzNJ Offline
#22 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 10:25 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Its your decision where you live.

There are several counties here in Florida that are much larger than NJ...just sayin'.


Yeah, our choice of course. But it's also where the high paying pharmaceutical jobs are and family and great schools. We'll move when we retire, already talking about it. Need to save up a bit more and the kids need to get off to college first. Plus we have elderly parents nearby. You know, all the typical things families go through.

Florida is not on the list of places we are thinking of retiring to though.
FuzzNJ Offline
#23 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 10:25 AM EST
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robertknyc wrote:
HIS decision?


Aren't you adorable. Hugs and kisses.
watchurai Offline
#24 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 10:28 AM EST
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Fuzz...you know that once opened, THAT door will never close. Not on this forum, anyway.

DrMaddVibe Offline
#25 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 10:32 AM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Yeah, our choice of course. But it's also where the high paying pharmaceutical jobs are and family and great schools. We'll move when we retire, already talking about it. Need to save up a bit more and the kids need to get off to college first. Plus we have elderly parents nearby. You know, all the typical things families go through.

Florida is not on the list of places we are thinking of retiring to though.



Good...I'm really glad FL is off your radar. We're getting rid of the libs around here in droves!

The point that was clearly missed is that in a state as small as NJ is you could move to another state and still keep your job where it is.

With the tax savings you could fund a 529 and have the college paid for...but I digress. You stay where you are and keep feeding the Beast.
FuzzNJ Offline
#26 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 10:33 AM EST
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watchurai wrote:
Fuzz...you know that once opened, THAT door will never close. Not on this forum, anyway.



What door? The taxes on tobacco or not allowing the mailing of these things?

I can't stand those taxes and think they are a waste. They are the easiest to pass because they go after a 'minority' of people who don't have a big lobby. The attitude is we are all addicts who are just hurting ourselves and others. This includes all 'sin' taxes, alcohol, tobacco, gambling, and laws against drugs like pot.

We as individuals have every right to kill ourselves in any manner we want.
Northsidepk Offline
#27 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 10:36 AM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
We as individuals have every right to kill ourselves in any manner we want.



No we don't..Not in this country......



I agree that we should be able to consume whatever we want as long as it does not effect anyone else negatively.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#28 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 10:36 AM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
What door? The taxes on tobacco or not allowing the mailing of these things?

I can't stand those taxes and think they are a waste. They are the easiest to pass because they go after a 'minority' of people who don't have a big lobby. The attitude is we are all addicts who are just hurting ourselves and others. This includes all 'sin' taxes, alcohol, tobacco, gambling, and laws against drugs like pot.

We as individuals have every right to kill ourselves in any manner we want.



Look at you try to go all Libertarian and stuff...why it's almost believable.Sarcasm
FuzzNJ Offline
#29 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 10:36 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Good...I'm really glad FL is off your radar. We're getting rid of the libs around here in droves!

The point that was clearly missed is that in a state as small as NJ is you could move to another state and still keep your job where it is.

With the tax savings you could fund a 529 and have the college paid for...but I digress. You stay where you are and keep feeding the Beast.


We do know some people that commute from PA, but that's one helluva commute, and we determined it was not worth it. First, the schools in our town are much better than anywhere near the border in PA. And secondly, the time spent on the road takes away from time with the family. A sacrifice we're not willing to make. The kid's college educations are already paid for even if they pursue advanced degrees, so that's not a concern.
FuzzNJ Offline
#30 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 10:38 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Look at you try to go all Libertarian and stuff...why it's almost believable.Sarcasm


If you have actually been paying attention to my posts, you will have noticed that I have always held these views.
DrafterX Offline
#31 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 10:38 AM EST
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I heard Walmart was gonna start selling Premiums & Super Premiums in Maryland.... Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
#32 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 10:39 AM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
If you have actually been paying attention to my posts, you will have noticed that I have always held these views.



No...you want to have it both ways when you're backed into a corner.

A corner that your Lib beliefs paint you into every damn time!

Get over yourself already. Everyone sees you for what you are EXCEPT you.
FuzzNJ Offline
#33 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 10:47 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
No...you want to have it both ways when you're backed into a corner.

A corner that your Lib beliefs paint you into every damn time!

Get over yourself already. Everyone sees you for what you are EXCEPT you.


Sigh. Once again. The picture you, and others here, are painting of a liberal, and me, is not what it is in reality.

We can approve of the killing of bin Laden. There is also a very large percentage of us who are small l libertarian when it comes to personal freedoms like those being discussed here, but still think the government has a vital role in running the country properly since the government is us. I have always posted and given my opinion based on that perspective.

These things are not on a one dimensional scale left/right. It is more nuanced than that. There are right wingers who are authoritarian (anti libertarian) and strong on social issues of morality and also traditionally conservative. There are others who are anti-athoritarian (libertarian) and traditionally conservative.

DrMaddVibe Offline
#34 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 10:48 AM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Sigh. Once again. The picture you, and others here, are painting of a liberal, and me, is not what it is in reality.

We can approve of the killing of bin Laden. There is also a very large percentage of us who are small l libertarian when it comes to personal freedoms like those being discussed here, but still think the government has a vital role in running the country properly since the government is us. I have always posted and given my opinion based on that perspective.

These things are not on a one dimensional scale left/right. It is more nuanced than that. There are right wingers who are authoritarian (anti libertarian) and strong on social issues of morality and also traditionally conservative. There are others who are anti-athoritarian (libertarian) and traditionally conservative.




FuzzNJ wrote:
lol, no. He's just a helluva lot better than the right is painting him out to be. If the right wasn't so crazy in their criticism of Democrats and/or Obama, I wouldn't have much to defend.



Whistle
FuzzNJ Offline
#35 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 10:49 AM EST
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Point being?
elk hunter Offline
#36 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 10:50 AM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
#97 Posted: Yesterday, 8:51 PM

jig+pig wrote:
IT'S THOSE/THESE DUMBASSED DEMOCRATS THAT JUST PASSED A BILL IN MARYLAND THAT WILL NOT ALLOW ME TO HAVE CIGARS SHIPPED TO MY HOUSE!

FU###NG DEMOCRATS, LIBERAL PUKES!


lmao, all caps and everything. I don't like that law either. But you do know it's not just Democrats who support legislation like this, right? Laws like this have been proposed and are spreading all over the country. States are losing a lot of tax revenue to other states from sales over the internet. I used to buy cigarettes from Switzerland, but that was stopped years ago because no one was getting taxes from it. Same concept with the banning of internet poker, which was mostly heralded by the right and criticized by (gulp) Barney Frank. But go on your rant if it makes you feel better.

_______________________________

Gosh, Fuzz was first with the correct information again. Good for me. ;)



Fuzz, on this we agree!!!! This is NOT a Democrat vs Republican deal...


Desperate for revenue, the Government is going to grab all they can instead of cutting where they should...
DrMaddVibe Offline
#37 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 10:52 AM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Point being?



If you were what you claim...you would have no use for the Kenyan King and the abuse he's perpetuated on the US citizenry.

Bailouts?

Abuses of the Attorney General?

Obamacare?

You'd better check yourself.

Opening ANOTHER front of military action.

Like I said...You're not fooling anyone.
FuzzNJ Offline
#38 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 10:53 AM EST
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elk hunter wrote:
Fuzz, on this we agree!!!! This is NOT a Democrat vs Republican deal...


Desperate for revenue, the Government is going to grab all they can instead of cutting where they should...



Hallelujah!!!!!! I'll drink to that!Beer
FuzzNJ Offline
#39 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 11:03 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
If you were what you claim...you would have no use for the Kenyan King and the abuse he's perpetuated on the US citizenry.

Bailouts?

Abuses of the Attorney General?

Obamacare?

You'd better check yourself.

Opening ANOTHER front of military action.

Like I said...You're not fooling anyone.


lmao. So because I may not agree with everything Obama does I should have no use for him or defend him when I think he's right? Ridiculous.

I never supported the Libya thing, won't find it. I don't support the health care law as it does not go far enough and is a huge payoff to the insurance companies. Single payer is the way to go. You will find that position here if you search my posts.

Bailouts, tough one. Depends on what you are talking about. It is difficult to support the privatization of profits and the socialization of losses. Bush bailed out Wall Street, Obama GM. We're told it saved the economy, who the f knows. GM is making a profit now and it saved a lot of manufacturing jobs, something this country need desperately.

But none of those things you mentioned impact personal liberty. I know the right argues that forcing a person to get insurance does, but you are forced to get car insurance if you drive, and I'm not sure how a state forcing you to buy something is less of your personal liberty than if the federal government does it. But it's also why I support single payer.

I don't support the administration's position on drug laws, the extension of the patriot act and other things that I criticized the Bush administration for. That hasn't changed at all. Overall, I do think Obama is better than anything or anyone the republicans have put forward.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#40 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 11:05 AM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
lmao. So because I may not agree with everything Obama does I should have no use for him or defend him when I think he's right? Ridiculous.

I never supported the Libya thing, won't find it. I don't support the health care law as it does not go far enough and is a huge payoff to the insurance companies. Single payer is the way to go. You will find that position here if you search my posts.

Bailouts, tough one. Depends on what you are talking about. It is difficult to support the privatization of profits and the socialization of losses. Bush bailed out Wall Street, Obama GM. We're told it saved the economy, who the f knows. GM is making a profit now and it saved a lot of manufacturing jobs, something this country need desperately.

But none of those things you mentioned impact personal liberty. I know the right argues that forcing a person to get insurance does, but you are forced to get car insurance if you drive, and I'm not sure how a state forcing you to buy something is less of your personal liberty than if the federal government does it. But it's also why I support single payer.

I don't support the administration's position on drug laws, the extension of the patriot act and other things that I criticized the Bush administration for. That hasn't changed at all. Overall, I do think Obama is better than anything or anyone the republicans have put forward.



Yeah...real Libertarian. Liar

The fact that you cannot see it is amusing to me.
FuzzNJ Offline
#41 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 11:24 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Yeah...real Libertarian. Liar

The fact that you cannot see it is amusing to me.


Really? You don't get it? I said small 'l' libertarian.

Kind of like a libertarian socialist, aka left-libertarianism, Noam Chomsky kind of thing?

The fact that you can't see it is not amusing, it's obvious that you haven't read up on these things and only get your info from talking heads on radio, tv or right-wing websites.
Northsidepk Offline
#42 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 11:38 AM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
The fact that you can't see it is not amusing, it's obvious that you haven't read up on these things and only get your info from talking heads on radio, tv or right-wing websites.



Just more people who believe the info the media puts out.......



Hey! I like Noam Chomsky!
ZRX1200 Offline
#43 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 11:39 AM EST
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No......DMV is right on.

You're blind or ambivolent to the fedral centralization of power.

Single payer

GM bondholders getting F'd for re sake of unions justified the means



Yeah pretty liberitarian to me.
jig+pig Offline
#44 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 11:40 AM EST
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elk hunter wrote:
Fuzz, on this we agree!!!! This is NOT a Democrat vs Republican deal...


Desperate for revenue, the Government is going to grab all they can instead of cutting where they should...


The problem is.........Democrats run this state! Not by MY vote!

and since we bring up what happened when.....THIS happened on THEIR shift!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#45 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 11:41 AM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Really? You don't get it? I said small 'l' libertarian.

Kind of like a libertarian socialist, aka left-libertarianism, Noam Chomsky kind of thing?

The fact that you can't see it is not amusing, it's obvious that you haven't read up on these things and only get your info from talking heads on radio, tv or right-wing websites.



Chomsky? horse

You've shown your ass as a real Lib now.

As far as the rest of your bender...I don't have any tv in my house. Don't listen to radio. What is a right-wing website?

Thanks for FINALLY proving what you are.
Northsidepk Offline
#46 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 11:44 AM EST
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"You'll never catch me copper!"
ZRX1200 Offline
#47 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 11:49 AM EST
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You going to south america again?

How's da wifey north?
FuzzNJ Offline
#48 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 12:15 PM EST
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lol, no such thing exists, you are a fraud, there is no way you hold these positions, it's just not possible, there is no such thing as a small 'l' libertarian or left libertarian, omg!

WTF people? lmfao. Where have I ever advocated for the government to have more control over our bodies and what we do provided it doesn't hurt another person? I have always been against 'sin' taxes also as it is the politician's cheap and easy way out of difficult problems.

Instead of going by how you percieve me, I think I'll stick with my world view, tyvm.
teedubbya Offline
#49 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 12:23 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
What is a right-wing website?



um.... this one.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#50 Posted: Tue, May 10 2011, 12:27 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
um.... this one.



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