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tailgater Offline
#51 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:


...Your objection has been from the start that they support 'amnesty', I've looked back at your posts and not seen what else you find objectionable, ....
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Actually, Fuzz, I find it hard to believe that you "looked back" at my posts, because it's clear as day:
I find their boycotts to be quite objectionable, and rather anti-American considering that they're boycotting private businesses based on the local political decisions.

Also, their anti-American displays at their rallies (upside down flags, etc) is quite objectionable.
Oh yeah. And unAmerican.

FuzzNJ Offline
#52 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Fuzz,
I responded to your post that says:

I don't remember her denying the affiliation at all, only combating the lies about what the organization is.

The rest is disagreement on policy, yet it's framed as racist or un-American.


Since your first sentence seemed to be in direct response to the post you were quoting, I naturally assumed that your second sentence was likewise in response to the remainder of my post that you quoted.

A flaw in the system, perhaps, but one severrely exacerbated when you use the "Quote" response then randomly reference earlier posts.


I do try to remember the entire conversation. When you said you didn't frame anything as racist, I remembered that post and went back to it.
FuzzNJ Offline
#53 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Actually, Fuzz, I find it hard to believe that you "looked back" at my posts, because it's clear as day:
I find their boycotts to be quite objectionable, and rather anti-American considering that they're boycotting private businesses based on the local political decisions.

Also, their anti-American displays at their rallies (upside down flags, etc) is quite objectionable.
Oh yeah. And unAmerican.



I did miss that though, you're right.

So you must find the Tea Party Un-American as well since there have been a number of incidents where they have flown the flag upside down at rallies. If one were consistant and all.
donutboy2000 Offline
#54 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
I did miss that though, you're right.

So you must find the Tea Party Un-American as well since there have been a number of incidents where they have flown the flag upside down at rallies. If one were consistant and all.




Ah, the left wing whine machine's version. In other words, a bunch of bs. Thanks.
tailgater Offline
#55 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
I did miss that though, you're right.

So you must find the Tea Party Un-American as well since there have been a number of incidents where they have flown the flag upside down at rallies. If one were consistant and all.


I've not heard of nor seen such a display, but I'll take your word on it.
And YES, I do see that as being unAmerican.
But you and I both know that there are far more examples of actual ANTI-American symbolism at the rallies staged by la Raza. To the point where it's difficult to understand their motive due to the obvious contradiction.

You see, the Tea Party displays a strong America First slogan. The controversy only arises when one disects what their vision of America is versus one's own personal belief.
Old Glory is usually a prominent feature. Upright. And waving proudly.
Whereas la Raza emphasises the Latino culture and Mexico in particular. Heck, if you search for pictures from virtually ANY la Raza event, even when the American flag is flown upright it's typically below the Mexican flag.

There's hardly any comparison on this point, and I think you'll agree.
HockeyDad Offline
#56 Posted:
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TEA PARTY SUBJECT CHANGE OUTRAGE!
FuzzNJ Offline
#57 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
TEA PARTY SUBJECT CHANGE OUTRAGE!


Not really. Upside down flags are un-american, unless. . . .
ZRX1200 Offline
#58 Posted:
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The u s flag upside down and sign of distress now weaving a distressed flag with a foreign nation above that is a different matter.
FuzzNJ Offline
#59 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
I've not heard of nor seen such a display, but I'll take your word on it.
And YES, I do see that as being unAmerican.
But you and I both know that there are far more examples of actual ANTI-American symbolism at the rallies staged by la Raza. To the point where it's difficult to understand their motive due to the obvious contradiction.

You see, the Tea Party displays a strong America First slogan. The controversy only arises when one disects what their vision of America is versus one's own personal belief.
Old Glory is usually a prominent feature. Upright. And waving proudly.
Whereas la Raza emphasises the Latino culture and Mexico in particular. Heck, if you search for pictures from virtually ANY la Raza event, even when the American flag is flown upright it's typically below the Mexican flag.

There's hardly any comparison on this point, and I think you'll agree.


lol, so we're going to count the number of upside down flags, racist signs, Mexican flags and Gadsden flags and see who has more, then we can see who is more anti-American? But wait, no since the Tea Party is supposedly strong on America First, it's ok, they can just act like that when Democrats hold a political office they want to hold.

Those damn Irish, every time I see them in a parade they are emphasizing their Irish culture instead of America, heck, I even see the Irish flag flying. Doesn't that sound stupid? If I was constantly being hit with racist sh*t against me everyday on tv and by politicians, I'd be pretty damn pissed to.

And no, you think wrong, I don't agree. After being called un-American and communist for merely disagreeing with policy and speaking out against it, not protesting, not flying flags upside down, I won't agree at all. Why the f should conservative protestors get a break for doing far more than I've ever done?
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ZRX1200 wrote:
The u s flag upside down and sign of distress now weaving a distressed flag with a foreign nation above that is a different matter.


Like say the Gadsden flag or Rebel flag?
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#61 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
lol, so we're going to count the number of upside down flags, racist signs, Mexican flags and Gadsden flags and see who has more, then we can see who is more anti-American? But wait, no since the Tea Party is supposedly strong on America First, it's ok, they can just act like that when Democrats hold a political office they want to hold.

Those damn Irish, every time I see them in a parade they are emphasizing their Irish culture instead of America, heck, I even see the Irish flag flying. Doesn't that sound stupid? If I was constantly being hit with racist sh*t against me everyday on tv and by politicians, I'd be pretty damn pissed to.

And no, you think wrong, I don't agree. After being called un-American and communist for merely disagreeing with policy and speaking out against it, not protesting, not flying flags upside down, I won't agree at all. Why the f should conservative protestors get a break for doing far more than I've ever done?



So you're equating the Irish with La Raza now?

Ok.
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#62 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
So you're equating the Irish with La Raza now?

Ok.


lol. and /sigh
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#63 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
So you're equating the Irish with La Raza now?

Ok.


Both groups have small weiners as do the chinks.
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Please...still waiting for the La Raza answer.

Inbetween lol'ing and/sighing...maybe you could actually open your piehole and answer the question.
teedubbya Offline
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there is no denying the weiner thing though
FuzzNJ Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Please...still waiting for the La Raza answer.

Inbetween lol'ing and/sighing...maybe you could actually open your piehole and answer the question.


omg, you are serious? You didn't understand the analogy? I honestly thought you were pulling my leg. No, I won't slow down, hold your hand and walk you through.
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#67 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
omg, you are serious? You didn't understand the analogy? I honestly thought you were pulling my leg. No, I won't slow down, hold your hand and walk you through.



Just like everything else. You cannot answer a simple question.

Been down this road before with you.

Face it, you're an academia jackass. You want to impress everyone with some "knowledge" or your fantastic "abilities".

The reality is you don't have either.

You've had chance after chance and instead want to get caught in semantics or are so far off base that you really do come off as an arrogant buffoon. You're like Rah, but with an apron. No, I take that back, at least Rah smokes cigars and talks about them.

You're here so you can sit around with your relatives and they can laugh AT you!
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teedubbya wrote:
Both groups have small weiners as do the chinks.



Thanks for taking the guesswork out of that for Trish and Jessica there TW!

Keep up the investigative reporting!Eh?
FuzzNJ Offline
#69 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Just like everything else. You cannot answer a simple question.

Been down this road before with you.

Face it, you're an academia jackass. You want to impress everyone with some "knowledge" or your fantastic "abilities".

The reality is you don't have either.

You've had chance after chance and instead want to get caught in semantics or are so far off base that you really do come off as an arrogant buffoon. You're like Rah, but with an apron. No, I take that back, at least Rah smokes cigars and talks about them.

You're here so you can sit around with your relatives and they can laugh AT you!


lmao. go stomp your feet and hold your breath.
teedubbya Offline
#70 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Thanks for taking the guesswork out of that for Trish and Jessica there TW!

Keep up the investigative reporting!Eh?


Well.... I'm Part Irish so can confirm that one. The others I have read about.

Largest.... American Indian.
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#71 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
lmao. go stomp your feet and hold your breath.



Don't forget the dryer sheet there lil Queenie...you know how Boss got the last time you forgot!
teedubbya Offline
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I'm also half american indian. unfortunately it's the top half *sigh*
FuzzNJ Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Don't forget the dryer sheet there lil Queenie...you know how Boss got the last time you forgot!


lil queenie. lol Fantastic!
ZRX1200 Offline
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^ teedubya.....you hafta lol when you sigh now.....keep up.
teedubbya Offline
#75 Posted:
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lol *sigh*
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#76 Posted:
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Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
#77 Posted:
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/Confused
tailgater Offline
#78 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
lol, so we're going to count the number of upside down flags, racist signs, Mexican flags and Gadsden flags and see who has more, then we can see who is more anti-American? But wait, no since the Tea Party is supposedly strong on America First, it's ok, they can just act like that when Democrats hold a political office they want to hold.

Those damn Irish, every time I see them in a parade they are emphasizing their Irish culture instead of America, heck, I even see the Irish flag flying. Doesn't that sound stupid? If I was constantly being hit with racist sh*t against me everyday on tv and by politicians, I'd be pretty damn pissed to.

And no, you think wrong, I don't agree. After being called un-American and communist for merely disagreeing with policy and speaking out against it, not protesting, not flying flags upside down, I won't agree at all. Why the f should conservative protestors get a break for doing far more than I've ever done?



So now you're just taking the opposite stance to make a point that you won't be pushed around?
Regardless of the facts that our discussion is based on?

First, it was foolish to compare the Tea Party to la Raza.
You claim they wave an upside down US Flag, but even if this is true it's obviously a rarity and completely different from hoisting one under the Mexican flag.
Your Irish analogy falls short, simply because you're grasping at straws here.

HockeyDad Offline
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If you want to go on arguing, you'll have to pay for another five minutes.
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tailgater wrote:
First, it was foolish to compare the Tea Party to la Raza.


Why? You claimed flying upside down flags and other flags is un-american. But when it is done by the tea party people it is somehow different.

tailgater wrote:
You claim they wave an upside down US Flag, but even if this is true it's obviously a rarity and completely different from hoisting one under the Mexican flag.


Obviously? So when people are at a protest for immigration reform or hispanic civil rights where the protesters are primarily hispanic, these un-american activities are prominent, represent everyone up to and including La Raza making it their official position therefore making them all racist.

But when the protesters are tea-baggers protesting against Obama and they are primarily white, these un-american activities and racist signs are rare, represent only those few people and not the entire group or the groups the people are affiliated with.

Bullsh*t ten times.

tailgater wrote:

Your Irish analogy falls short, simply because you're grasping at straws here.


I'm not surprised you would think that.

It's ok for the Irish to march under their flag because they have assimilated into the culture already. Their fight for respect, equality and access to the American Dream was over a long time ago. There was a time that Irish immigrants were treated the same way, hell even worse, than Hispanic immigrants today.
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US Flag Code

When flags of two or more nations are displayed, they are to be flown from separate staffs of the same height. The flags should be of approximately equal size. International usage forbids the display of the flag of one nation above that of another nation in time of peace
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US Flag Code


No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.

The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.
tailgater Offline
#83 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Why? You claimed flying upside down flags and other flags is un-american. But when it is done by the tea party people it is somehow different.



Obviously? So when people are at a protest for immigration reform or hispanic civil rights where the protesters are primarily hispanic, these un-american activities are prominent, represent everyone up to and including La Raza making it their official position therefore making them all racist.

But when the protesters are tea-baggers protesting against Obama and they are primarily white, these un-american activities and racist signs are rare, represent only those few people and not the entire group or the groups the people are affiliated with.

Bullsh*t ten times.



I'm not surprised you would think that.

It's ok for the Irish to march under their flag because they have assimilated into the culture already. Their fight for respect, equality and access to the American Dream was over a long time ago. There was a time that Irish immigrants were treated the same way, hell even worse, than Hispanic immigrants today.



Fuzz doesn't see the difference between the tea party and la raza.
Fuzz, answer me this: Do you consider the use of the word "niggger" to be more or less offensive dependent upon the race of the person who says it?
Sure, it's aweful regardless of the source.
But I bet you don't physically wince when a black guy says it.

La Raza wants CRIMINALS to be allowed into our system based solely on thier race.
The tea party wants people of all races to come here only via the legal means.
And you don't see the difference when they protest because they both choose the same obscene gesture.

You're full of it.

You DO see the difference.
But you're too stubburn to admit it.
Because others on this board have repeated called you names so you feel compelled to try to always be right.

Stop digging your hole.
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tailgater wrote:
Fuzz doesn't see the difference between the tea party and la raza.
Fuzz, answer me this: Do you consider the use of the word "niggger" to be more or less offensive dependent upon the race of the person who says it?
Sure, it's aweful regardless of the source.
But I bet you don't physically wince when a black guy says it.

La Raza wants CRIMINALS to be allowed into our system based solely on thier race.
The tea party wants people of all races to come here only via the legal means.
And you don't see the difference when they protest because they both choose the same obscene gesture.

You're full of it.

You DO see the difference.
But you're too stubburn to admit it.
Because others on this board have repeated called you names so you feel compelled to try to always be right.

Stop digging your hole.


The policy difference I spoke of earlier is the dream act, and you disagree with it and how to resolve the issue of illegal immigration. All fine and good. The Tea-baggers also have policy differences and express their disagreements in similar ways.

The hispanic population is also pissed off because there are a whole lot more citizens who are hispanic that illegal ones, yet they are all lumped into the same category and laws are passed that would infringe on their civil liberties, like in AZ. I said if it were me I would be pissed off too.

But I do see the difference, contrary to your assertion. I see the difference in why you look at these groups differently. You, however, do not or refuse to admit it.

And I don't think I'm right because other people call me names, I think I'm right because most people do, don't you think? You walk around thinking 'gee, I'm wrong about everything, I have no confidence in my opinions"?
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:-&



FAMILY AUDIENCE


OUTRAGE!!!!
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#86 Posted:
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BROKEN ARROW!
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#87 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
The policy difference I spoke of earlier is the dream act, and you disagree with it and how to resolve the issue of illegal immigration. All fine and good. The Tea-baggers also have policy differences and express their disagreements in similar ways.

The hispanic population is also pissed off because there are a whole lot more citizens who are hispanic that illegal ones, yet they are all lumped into the same category and laws are passed that would infringe on their civil liberties, like in AZ. I said if it were me I would be pissed off too.

But I do see the difference, contrary to your assertion. I see the difference in why you look at these groups differently. You, however, do not or refuse to admit it.

And I don't think I'm right because other people call me names, I think I'm right because most people do, don't you think? You walk around thinking 'gee, I'm wrong about everything, I have no confidence in my opinions"?



If the hispanic population is pissed, they are taking the wrong approach to solving the issue at hand.
Instead of getting angry at white America, they ought to look within their own communities and help weed out the illegals rather than defend them.
And quite honestly, I'm shocked that they don't do this since it's not always easy for non-citizens to stay here and work here legally.
You'd think that they would resent those that want to bypass the system.

But when americans who happen to be white speak out against illegals who happen to be latino, the discussion gets bogged down with cries of racism by one side, which simply proves how weak their stance is to begin with.
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tailgater wrote:
You'd think that they would resent those that want to bypass the system.




You'd think.... I remember driving thru Tulsa when Oklahoma kicked them out seeing signs being held up by kids that said stuff like 'Don't send my Daady Back' and stuff.... thought it was a bummer for the kids but at the same time Daddy should have done it right.. and by the age of the kids he certainly had time to accomplish something..... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
You'd think.... I remember driving thru Tulsa when Oklahoma kicked them out seeing signs being held up by kids that said stuff like 'Don't send my Daady Back' and stuff.... thought it was a bummer for the kids but at the same time Daddy should have done it right.. and by the age of the kids he certainly had time to accomplish something..... Mellow



Shudda dragged them too!

JUST SAY NO TO ANCHOR BABIES!!!
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NCLR Funding Skyrockets After Obama Hires Its VP
ViewDiscussion.Last Updated: Mon, 06/20/2011 - 12:54pm
A Judicial Watch investigation reveals that federal funding for a Mexican La Raza group that for years has raked in millions of taxpayer dollars has skyrocketed since one of its top officials got a job in the Obama White House.

The influential and politically-connected National Council of La Raza (NCLR) has long benefitted from Uncle Sam’s largess but the group has made a killing since Obama hired its senior vice president (Cecilia Muñoz) in 2009 to be his director of intergovernmental affairs.

Ignored by the mainstream media, Judicial Watch covered the appointment because the president issued a special “ethics waiver” to bring Muñoz aboard since it violated his own lobbyist ban. At the pro illegal immigration NCLR, Muñoz supervised all legislative and advocacy activities on the state and local levels and she was heavily involved in the congressional immigration battles that took place in the George W. Bush Administration.

She also brought in a steady flow of government cash that’s allowed the Washington D.C.-based group to expand nationwide and promote its leftist, open-borders agenda via a network of community organizations dedicated to serving Latinos. Among them are a variety of local groups that provide social services, housing counseling and farm worker assistance as well as publicly-funded charter schools that promote radical Chicano curriculums. Judicial Watch published a special report on this a few years ago.

This week a JW probe has uncovered details of the alarming increase in federal funding that these NCLR groups have received since Muñoz joined the Obama Administration. In fact, the government cash more than doubled the year Muñoz joined the White House, from $4.1 million to $11 million.

Not surprisingly, a big chunk of the money (60%) came from the Department of Labor, which is headed by a former California congresswoman (Hilda Solis) with close ties to the La Raza movement. Since Obama named her Labor Secretary, Solis has launched a nationwide campaign to protect illegal immigrant workers in the U.S. Just this week Solis penned declarations with Guatemala and Nicaragua to preserve the rights of their migrants.

The NCLR also received additional taxpayer dollars from other federal agencies in 2010, the JW probe found. The Department of Housing and Urban Development doled out $2.5 million for housing counseling, the Department of Education contributed nearly $800,000 and the Centers for Disease Control a quarter of a million.

Additionally, NCLR affiliates nationwide raked in tens of millions of government grant and recovery dollars last year thanks to the Muñoz factor. An offshoot called Chicanos Por La Causa (CPLC) saw its federal funding nearly double to $18.3 million following Muñoz’ appointment.

A social service and legal assistance organization (Ayuda Inc.) that didn’t receive any federal funding between 2005 and 2008 got $600,000 in 2009 and $548,000 in 2010 from the Department of Justice. The group provides immigration law services and guarantees confidentiality to assure illegal aliens that they won’t be reported to authorities.



http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2011/jun/nclr-funding-skyrockets-after-obama-hires-its-vp




They're under the Obama Cone of Protection.Frying pan
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Ignored by the mainstream media, Judicial Watch covered the appointment because the president issued a special “ethics waiver” to bring Muñoz aboard since it violated his own lobbyist ban.



Special ethics waiver? I got your special ethics waiver right here!
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More from the copy and paste king.
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d'oh!
HockeyDad Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
More from the copy and paste king.



What did you post?
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I heard illegals are reponsible for all the wildfires out in Arizona right now..... SECURE THE BORDERS!!!! ram27bat
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did someone say fencepost?
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FuzzNJ wrote:
More from the copy and paste king.



Facts that slap you in the face with reality.

You cannot find this information.

You dwell on your knees at the Owebama pants party.

Just think of my c&p's as educating the weak and insipid. I know I do!

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teedubbya wrote:
did someone say fencepost?


^ +1

Sharp as marbles!

E
FuzzNJ Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Facts that slap you in the face with reality.

You cannot find this information.

You dwell on your knees at the Owebama pants party.

Just think of my c&p's as educating the weak and insipid. I know I do!



I say something like that, only much, much nicer when I cut and paste, but no one likes the explanation, even if I say it with more tact.
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FuzzNJ wrote:
I say something like that, only much, much nicer when I cut and paste, but no one likes the explanation, even if I say it with more tact.




Maybe you're just always wrong.
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