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Great Moments in Democrat Racist History
FuzzNJ Offline
#51 Posted:
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wheelrite wrote:
The point of this post is to highlight the Dems hypocrisy regarding race realtions.This is not taught in History classes schools as it should be.The media never mentions it.They eulogize a KKK member Senator when he croaks.

Remember,,
what the title of this thread is...

nothing dishonest here,,,


The media didn't mention Byrd was a member of the KKK? Really? Bullsh*t. I heard it several times. I also heard he renounced, apologized and said he was wrong.

So you agree then that it was a north/south thing, not a D/R thing and that the republicans used the racist southern strategy approach? Because you didn't address those things once.

50 years ago is a long time. It seems to be the opinion of the conservatives that the Democrats are racist and the Republicans have the best interest of blacks, jews, etc in mind. Yet they vote overwhelmingly for Democrats. They are all just stupid and brainwashed and/or lazy. Strange. I wonder why you guys are effected by this brainwashing, you are all free-thinkers able to resist this powerful brain-washing, something the minority population must be unable to do.
wheelrite Offline
#52 Posted:
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Maybe this will get your mind right...

No doubt there was some sort of "Southern Strategy" to appeal to Southerners, but was it based on race? Or other cultural issues?

The Democrats say it was based on race but there are far too many ahistorical holes in this story; how much of it is reality and how much of it is myth? For one, when Democratic news outlets like the New York Times write about the 1968 campaign and attribute Nixon's victory to the "Southern Strategy" they invariably fail to mention that there were two Democrats running in 1968, Hubert Humphrey and George Wallace. It is my belief from looking at the history that this so-called "Southern Strategy", even if implemented the way the Democrats say it was, was neither long-lasting nor in any way effective. Taking the following Southern states into account and judging the amount (and percentage) of votes Nixon got against Kennedy in 1960 and the votes he got against Humphrey in 1968;

ALABAMA
1960
John F Kennedy 324,050 [56.8%]
Richard Nixon 237,981 [41.7%]
1968
Richard Nixon 146,923 [14.0%]
Hubert Humphrey 196,579 [18.7%]
George Wallace 691,425 [65.9%]

ARKANSAS
1960
John F Kennedy 215,049 [50.2%]
Richard Nixon 184,508 [43.1%]
1968
Richard Nixon 190,759 [30.8%]
Hubert Humphrey 188,228 [30.4%]
George Wallace 240,982 [38.9%]

GEORGIA
1960
John F Kennedy 458,638 [62.5%]
Richard Nixon 274,472 [37.4%]
1968
Richard Nixon 380,111 [30.4%]
Hubert Humphrey 334,440 [26.7%]
George Wallace 535,550 [42.8%]

LOUISIANA
1960
John F Kennedy 407,339 [50.4%]
Richard Nixon 230,980 [28.6%]
1968
Richard Nixon 257,535 [23.5%]
Hubert Humphrey 309,615 [28.2%]
George Wallace 530,300 [48.3%]

MISSISSIPPI
1960
John F Kennedy 108,362 [36.3%]
Richard Nixon 73,561 [24.7%]
1968
Richard Nixon 88,516 [13.5%]
Hubert Humphrey 50,644 [23.0%]
George Wallace 415,349 [63.5%]

NORTH CAROLINA
1960
John F Kennedy 713,136 [52.1%]
Richard Nixon 655,420 [47.9%]
1968
Richard Nixon 627,192 [39.5%]
Hubert Humphrey 464,113 [29.2%]
George Wallace 496,188 [31.3%]

SOUTH CAROLINA
1960
John F Kennedy 198,129 [51.2%]
Richard Nixon 188,558 [48.8%]
1968
Richard Nixon 254,062 [38.1%]
Hubert Humphrey 197,486 [29.6%]
George Wallace 215,430 [32.3%]

TENNESSEE
1960
John F Kennedy 481,453 [45.8%]
Richard Nixon 556,577 [52.9%]
1968
Richard Nixon 472,592 [37.8%]
Hubert Humphrey 351,233 [28.1%]
George Wallace 424,792 [34.0%]

WEST VIRGINIA
1960
John F Kennedy 441,786 [52.7%]
Richard Nixon 395,995 [47.3%]
1968
Richard Nixon 307,555 [40.8%]
Hubert Humphrey 374,091 [49.6%]
George Wallace 72,560 [9.6%]

Note that in 1968, there was nowhere where Nixon's numbers went up consistently, i.e. he consistently lost support in the percentage of votes he recieved from 1960, and in many cases even lost votes in terms of raw numbers. In other words, Nixon's "" yielded him absolutely nothing in terms of electoral success; raw numbers or percentages. Yet, strangely, Nixon's victory is always attributed to appeals to racial hatreds - despite his campaign's explicit statement in 1966 that it would leave it to the;

... party of Maddox, Mahoney and Wallace to squeeze the last ounces of political juice out of the rotting fruit of racial injustice.


So as you can see.The "Southern Strategy" was either a myth or a disaster for Nixon and the Republicans..


wheel,
FuzzNJ Offline
#53 Posted:
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Wow, you really are in denial here.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C04E6DF1E30F935A35753C1A9639C8B63

Listen to the late Lee Atwater in a 1981 interview explaining the evolution of the G.O.P.'s Southern strategy:

''You start out in 1954 by saying, '****, ****, ****.' By 1968 you can't say '****' -- that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.

''And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me -- because obviously sitting around saying, 'We want to cut this,' is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than '****, ****.'''

Atwater, who would manage George H.W. Bush's successful run for the presidency in 1988 (the Willie Horton campaign) and then serve as national party chairman, was talking with Alexander P. Lamis, a political-science professor at Case Western Reserve University. Mr. Lamis quoted Atwater in the book ''Southern Politics in the 1990's.''

The truth is that there was very little that was subconscious about the G.O.P.'s relentless appeal to racist whites. Tired of losing elections, it saw an opportunity to renew itself by opening its arms wide to white voters who could never forgive the Democratic Party for its support of civil rights and voting rights for blacks.



More abstract things like 'states rights', etc.
FuzzNJ Offline
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From Nixon's political strategy guy:

From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.
wheelrite Offline
#55 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Wow, you really are in denial here.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C04E6DF1E30F935A35753C1A9639C8B63

Listen to the late Lee Atwater in a 1981 interview explaining the evolution of the G.O.P.'s Southern strategy:

''You start out in 1954 by saying, '****, ****, ****.' By 1968 you can't say '****' -- that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.

''And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me -- because obviously sitting around saying, 'We want to cut this,' is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than '****, ****.'''

Atwater, who would manage George H.W. Bush's successful run for the presidency in 1988 (the Willie Horton campaign) and then serve as national party chairman, was talking with Alexander P. Lamis, a political-science professor at Case Western Reserve University. Mr. Lamis quoted Atwater in the book ''Southern Politics in the 1990's.''

The truth is that there was very little that was subconscious about the G.O.P.'s relentless appeal to racist whites. Tired of losing elections, it saw an opportunity to renew itself by opening its arms wide to white voters who could never forgive the Democratic Party for its support of civil rights and voting rights for blacks.



More abstract things like 'states rights', etc.



That is opinion,,,

My posts particularly the last are fact. Look at the numbers..

Now be honest...
FuzzNJ Offline
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wheelrite wrote:
That is opinion,,,

My posts particularly the last are fact. Look at the numbers..

Now be honest...


The quotes aren't opinion, now who is being dishonest?

You still haven't answered the question as to why minorities vote for Democrats.
ZRX1200 Offline
#57 Posted:
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Successful marketing!!!!!!
DrafterX Offline
#58 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:

You still haven't answered the question as to why minorities vote for Democrats.



Hope & change...Mellow
chiefburg Offline
#59 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Successful marketing!!!!!!

That's what I said (in so many words) and that holds a lot of truth. I have asked people why they vote a certain way and the answers are very surprising at times.
FuzzNJ Offline
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chiefburg wrote:
That's what I said (in so many words) and that holds a lot of truth. I have asked people why they vote a certain way and the answers are very surprising at times.


Now that is something with which I can agree! "I'd like to have a beer with him" is a perplexing reason. He's good looking and looks like a President, is another strange one. To extrapolate those answers to explain an entire population is a totally different thing.
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FuzzNJ wrote:
You still haven't answered the question as to why minorities vote for Democrats.



If I help him, he gonna help me.
ZRX1200 Offline
#62 Posted:
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What chu got on my 40 hommie?.....
FuzzNJ Offline
#63 Posted:
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chiefburg wrote:
That's what I said (in so many words) and that holds a lot of truth.


No, that's not what you said.

You said:

"They thrive on keeping people down and claiming to meet their needs and take care of them. The Dems do not like it when people strike out on their own and fend for themselves. Traditionally, the non-whites in this country have been held down (mostly by liberal programs) and the Dems claim to have their back and support them.

"I despise the majority of the social programs this country has because it gives something for nothing and breeds laziness and contempt. It forces peopel to rely on the Government and that's quite the opposite of what I believe. We do need some social programs, but the majority have been abused beyond belief. Minorities will continue to vote Democratic because they are lulled into the belief they government is behind them and will take care of them."

Apparently you think non-whites are incapable of thinking for themselves, are lazy and need someone to take care of them, so then you must believe that whites are capable of thinking for themselves, hard-working and self-reliant at least those who vote for 'conservative' candidates. I don't read that as successful marketing at all.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Well at least we don't generalize and project....much.....
wheelrite Offline
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Here's modern day Democrat Racism,


Take the issue of education. The single biggest obstacle to the achievement of true equality in the United States is not poverty, but education. If Democrats sincerely wished to help the minority children on whose behalf they claim to labor, they would embrace school choice to help such children escape the trap of sub-standard schools. But that would offend the teachers’ unions upon which the Democrats depend for financial and “in-kind” support. So as has often been the case with the group politics of the Democratic party, African-American interests are sacrificed to other groups who have more pull.

“Affirmative action” has become the touchstone of Democratic racial politics. Democrats portray anyone who opposes affirmative action as racist. But affirmative action, as currently practiced, is racist to the core. It is based on the assumption that African-Americans are incapable of competing with whites. It represents the kind of paternalistic racism that would have done honor to Calhoun. For the modern liberal Democratic racist as for the old-fashioned one, blacks are simply incapable of freedom. They will always need Ol’ Massa’s help. And woe be to any African-American who wanders off of the Democratic plantation. Ask Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell, Shelby Steele, or Ward Connerly. Although they echo the call for a “color-blind society” that once characterized the vision of Martin Luther King Jr., they are pilloried as “Uncle Toms” of “Oreos” by such enforcers of the Democratic plantation system as Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton.

wheelrite Offline
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Virginia Democrat: Republicans Won In 2010 Because Americans Are Racist
Doug Mataconis ·


Virginia Congressman Jim Moran has a long history of making dumb and/or outrageous comments, and he didn’t disappoint in a post-SOTU interview with an Arab language news program:

A Democratic congressman is attributing his party’s losses in the 2010 election cycle to the fact that President Barack Obama is black.

Speaking to Arab television network Alhurra, Rep. Jim Moran (D-Va.) said Republicans made big gains in November because “a lot of people in this country … don’t want to be governed by an African-American.”

Even more objectionable to some Americans, he said, is that Obama is a black president “who is inclusive, who is liberal, who wants to spend money on everyone and who wants to reach out to include everyone in our society — that’s a basic philosophical clash.”

Moran’s remarks came Tuesday in an interview conducted after Obama delivered his State of the Union speech. Democrats, Moran said, lost for “the same reason the Civil War Happened in the United States … the Southern states, particularly the slaveholding states, didn’t want to see a president who was opposed to slavery.” Virginia, of course, is one of those Southern, formerly slaveholding states.

Well I guess it’s not surprising considering that, a few years ago, he blamed Jewish-Americans for leading America into the Iraq War.
wheelrite Offline
#67 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:


You still haven't answered the question as to why minorities vote for Democrats.


well I think this quote will answer your question...


“I’ll have those n*ggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years.” — Lyndon B. Johnson to two governors on Air Force One according Ronald Kessler’s Book, “Inside The White House”

FuzzNJ Offline
#68 Posted:
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wheelrite wrote:
Here's modern day Democrat Racism,


Take the issue of education. The single biggest obstacle to the achievement of true equality in the United States is not poverty, but education. If Democrats sincerely wished to help the minority children on whose behalf they claim to labor, they would embrace school choice to help such children escape the trap of sub-standard schools. But that would offend the teachers’ unions upon which the Democrats depend for financial and “in-kind” support. So as has often been the case with the group politics of the Democratic party, African-American interests are sacrificed to other groups who have more pull.

“Affirmative action” has become the touchstone of Democratic racial politics. Democrats portray anyone who opposes affirmative action as racist. But affirmative action, as currently practiced, is racist to the core. It is based on the assumption that African-Americans are incapable of competing with whites. It represents the kind of paternalistic racism that would have done honor to Calhoun. For the modern liberal Democratic racist as for the old-fashioned one, blacks are simply incapable of freedom. They will always need Ol’ Massa’s help. And woe be to any African-American who wanders off of the Democratic plantation. Ask Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell, Shelby Steele, or Ward Connerly. Although they echo the call for a “color-blind society” that once characterized the vision of Martin Luther King Jr., they are pilloried as “Uncle Toms” of “Oreos” by such enforcers of the Democratic plantation system as Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton.



And yet non-whites and Jews vote for Democrats overwhelmingly.

Democrats have taken the voting block for granted, but they shouldn't. As there is less racial prejudice there is less need for government intervention and the needs of a particular community are never one dimensional.

People keep bringing up Jackson and Sharpton as if they speak for everyone, they don't you know and their influence hasn't been strong for a long time.
FuzzNJ Offline
#69 Posted:
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wheelrite wrote:
well I think this quote will answer your question...


“I’ll have those n*ggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years.” — Lyndon B. Johnson to two governors on Air Force One according Ronald Kessler’s Book, “Inside The White House”



Apparently he did say something like that. Racist and ignorant to use that word sure. So you are agreeing with me that the civil rights legislation passed by a democratic president turned the south Republican and caused African Americans to start voting for Democrats in super high percentages. If you could have just done that sooner, could have saved everyone a lot of time.
wheelrite Offline
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In their own words..


You cannot go to a 7-11 or Dunkin Donuts unless you have a slight Indian Accent.” -Senator Joe Biden

Mahatma Gandhi “ran a gas station down in Saint Louis.” -Senator Hillary Clinton

Blacks and Hispanics are “too busy eating watermelons and tacos” to learn how to read and write.” — Mike Wallace, CBS News. Source: Newsmax

"He's married to a white woman. He wants to be white. He wants a colorless society. He has no ethnic pride. He doesn't want to be black."

-- California State Senator Diane Watson's on Ward Connerly's interracial marriage

"Civil rights laws were not passed to protect the rights of white men and do not apply to them." -- Mary Frances Berry, Chairwoman, US Commission on Civil Rights

"White folks was in caves while we was building empires... We taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos ever got around to it." -- Rev. Al Sharpton in a 1994 speech at Kean College, NJ, cited in "Democrats Do the Dumbest Things
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"There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out, many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs. . . It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names" Barack Hussein Obama from Dreams of My Father

"I found solice in nursing a pervasive sense of grievancee and animosity against my mother's race" Barack Hussein Obama from Dreams of My Father



FuzzNJ Offline
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wheelrite wrote:
In their own words..


You cannot go to a 7-11 or Dunkin Donuts unless you have a slight Indian Accent.” -Senator Joe Biden

Mahatma Gandhi “ran a gas station down in Saint Louis.” -Senator Hillary Clinton

Blacks and Hispanics are “too busy eating watermelons and tacos” to learn how to read and write.” — Mike Wallace, CBS News. Source: Newsmax

"He's married to a white woman. He wants to be white. He wants a colorless society. He has no ethnic pride. He doesn't want to be black."

-- California State Senator Diane Watson's on Ward Connerly's interracial marriage

"Civil rights laws were not passed to protect the rights of white men and do not apply to them." -- Mary Frances Berry, Chairwoman, US Commission on Civil Rights

"White folks was in caves while we was building empires... We taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos ever got around to it." -- Rev. Al Sharpton in a 1994 speech at Kean College, NJ, cited in "Democrats Do the Dumbest Things



Awww sh*t, we're not done? I thought you agreed with me.

I'm not going to get dragged into a who said more racially insensitive remarks contest, it's stupid.

When I said, on this board that the tea party was racist because of all the racist signs at various rallies, oh the uproar. I could bring up 'halfrican american' and other racist sh*t said by 'conservatives', but what's the point? I guess every minority or Jew who votes for a Democrat is just too damn stupid to know what they are doing. The white guys in the Republican party know what's best for them and are shocked that 'those people' just don't get it.
wheelrite Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Apparently he did say something like that. Racist and ignorant to use that word sure. So you are agreeing with me that the civil rights legislation passed by a democratic president turned the south Republican and caused African Americans to start voting for Democrats in super high percentages. If you could have just done that sooner, could have saved everyone a lot of time.



No,I don't agree...

The Republicans are responsible for passing the Legislation.LBJ co-opted it for pure politcal reasons..
Sadly,this is not taught in schools,infact the opposite is i.e. Brain washing...

So I've debunked the Great Society Myth and The Southern Starategy fallacy...
wheelrite Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Awww sh*t, we're not done? I thought you agreed with me.

I'm not going to get dragged into a who said more racially insensitive remarks contest, it's stupid.

When I said, on this board that the tea party was racist because of all the racist signs at various rallies, oh the uproar. I could bring up 'halfrican american' and other racist sh*t said by 'conservatives', but what's the point? I guess every minority or Jew who votes for a Democrat is just too damn stupid to know what they are doing. The white guys in the Republican party know what's best for them and are shocked that 'those people' just don't get it.


Yes,
Racist comments are made on both sides BUT,the Left/Dems/Minorities are exscused or never held to the same standard for making such comments..

Why is that so ?

Is that equality ?
FuzzNJ Offline
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wheelrite wrote:
No,I don't agree...

The Republicans are responsible for passing the Legislation.LBJ co-opted it for pure politcal reasons..
Sadly,this is not taught in schools,infact the opposite is i.e. Brain washing...

So I've debunked the Great Society Myth and The Southern Starategy fallacy...


lmfao, you have debunked nothing. Seriously lol here, I don't do that often.

If you have such research please compile it and publish it.

Of the 420 members who voted, 290 supported the civil rights bill and
130 opposed it. Republicans favored the bill 138 to 34; Democrats
supported it 152-96. It is interesting to note that Democrats from
northern states voted overwhelmingly for the bill, 141 to 4, while
Democrats from southern states voted overwhelmingly against the bill,
92 to 11.

Don't hurt yourself patting your back and all.
wheelrite Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
lmfao, you have debunked nothing. Seriously lol here, I don't do that often.

If you have such research please compile it and publish it.

Of the 420 members who voted, 290 supported the civil rights bill and
130 opposed it. Republicans favored the bill 138 to 34; Democrats
supported it 152-96. It is interesting to note that Democrats from
northern states voted overwhelmingly for the bill, 141 to 4, while
Democrats from southern states voted overwhelmingly against the bill,
92 to 11.

Don't hurt yourself patting your back and all.



I am da MAN !!!
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I remember moving from Georgia to Massachusetts in 1973 when I was 11 y/o.

I grew up outside of Atlanta, GA in the 60's just right down the road from all the hot bed of desegregation & racial issues. My 1st grade class was the 1st class that was integrated in the State of Georgia. To me, it was no big deal, but although I didn't fully understand it as a 6 y/o, I knew from all the talk of the adults in my life, be it family, friends & co-workers, I knew something was up ... Like I said, to a kid, it was no big deal ...

Well, fast fwd to our move to Worcester, MA in the early 70's and the big topic up there was busing. There were huge riots in Boston about busing black kids to white districts and the other way around, too. I think it was a grand social experiment from the Democrats who ran Boston, but the white parents were pissed.

I couldn't believe it, as a kid who grew up with social change in the South, to move to the North, who always claimed to be better than us Southerners and the stigma from the Civil War that is still alive down here. I got in several fights when I was new to my school, all because of my accent. I got chided by teachers for having manners & being polite. Even once we had a test, to mark out all the silent letters in the words. I didn't see any, so I turned it in blank. I was graded for not marking out the silent letter "L" in the words Walk & Talk ...

To watch the holier than thou Northerners causing riots and burning **** over racial issues made my head shake as a kid. I didn't enjoy my time in Massachusetts to much as a kid and was glad my Dad got transfered to DC a year later . . .

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Oh Yeah ... and the fact that our school football team played "touch" football instead of wearing helmet & pads, made me confused, too ...
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And there was the time our school made a trip to DC and we waited for hours on Ted Kennedy for a photo with our class. He came driving up, jumped out the limousine, we took the photo, he jumped up, I asked him for an autograph, and he shoved me out of the way, saying he was busy and about knocked me down.

I'm still a Red Sox fan, but that's about it . . .
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But, my heart goes out to the families & those who suffered during tonight's tornado outbreak in western Massachusetts.
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