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Goodnight Victor.

Tomorrow we can talk about how Coulter was "pwned" on Canadian TV claiming how Canada sent troops to Vietnam (when in fact they didn't). Man, the look on her face as she realized she stepped on her transexual **** was hilarious. Later she went on MSNBC and lied about it. Then O'Reilly lied about it too.

Bunch of goofballs.

Vicky, I see why they think you are Adroomi. In post 45 you question Drathaar's logic by setting up a set of "facts" and then drawing conclusions based on them.

It was reminiscent of the "god is love, love is blind, Stevie Wonder is blind, therefore Stevie is God" thing.

You spun it pretty well, but Adroomi is better at it.

I always wonder why liberals who base there opinions on emotion not thought think it proves how smart they are.

Rick, Rug is correct. But I'm sure you knew that. I see doomi just doesn't quit. Its kinda comical and sad to watch him.

Coulter attended a liberal university for her undergrad studies, and then went so far as to earn her Doctorate in another liberal university. As a lawyer no less.

How much liberal education does one need to have before they can start making fun of colleges and convincing dumb@ss people to condemn education and simply buy her books?

Personally, I really like Ann Coulter. I admire her for the fact that she spotted a trend in the United States well before many others and she is profitting from it tremendously by catering to a specific audience. That's just good business and she's being rewarded. The beauty of it is in the simplicity of just telling people what they want to hear.

Now as for colleges being liberal breeding grounds, I have this vision of Berkenstocks, naked people frolicking in mud, and a general unshavenness. I am scarred now.

I prefer the fiscal conservative breeding ground image of suits, ties, and designer evening gowns.

Coulter has publically asked for the repeal of the right of women to vote. She also has stated that women have no business in the military since they "are not smart enough."

Is she a Muslim?

Also Adroomi, you have seen more "most clueless" post then Wellstone had proudest days. At least I'm off the hook. Still wondering why you liberals think think with your emotions makes you think you're smart....

Anyone... anyone.... droomi.....

I alway liked being ignored in these threads, shows me you have no answer. Tey does it better then you,that boy can never respond.

doomi (gotta try and keep track of which alias I'm talking to): You aren't going to pull me into a shouting match. I stating my feelings about you in a way even you can understand. A man would take it and move on. Not you though. You want to start a war. Well have fun playing with yourself (I love a good double entendre! I know you think big words confuse me, but play along). Well forget it doomi, you just keep showing your true colors and I'll show mine.

Ann Coulter uses sarcasm to get her point across. If you don't understand that you probably shouldn't be having adult conversations. Taking one-liners out of an article and not giving the whole picture is sophomoric.

Amelia, I didn't ignore you. I posted specifically in response to your question about "thinking with emotions". None of these statements have any emotional basis, in fact one could argue that a generalized statement (such as "all colleges are liberal indoctrination grounds") is much more emotional.

Drath,
I asked you to stop with the vic/doomi thing. We all had a little giggle over it. We are separate individuals and I have never met Adroomi. There is a good chance that there are many things we would disagree on.

I don't believe I was in any way mean to you. If I hurt your feelings, I'm sorry. However, your experience in college was different than mine. I have attended two colleges, both which had outspoken college republican organizations: Johns Hopkins University and The University of Wisconsin, Madison. Just because you felt marginalized at St Martin's college, does not mean that all colleges are grounds of liberal indoctrination. I really doubt that Bringham Young University could be considered liberal. My point was, if being in a school which had a large number of republicans in the student body was important to you, perhaps you should have chosen a different college. (By the way, which St. Martin's is this, I got a number of returns when I did a search).

Now on to vocabulary, I hate that our discussion has been reduced to this but:
breeding ground: n.
A place where animals breed.
A place or set of circumstances that encourages the development of certain ideas or conditions: a laboratory that is a breeding ground for new inventions.
Therefore, both statements are identical. True, you did not state that all college graduates are liberals. However, assuming that colleges are "liberal breeding grounds" (note above, same thing, I prefer it because it flows better) then one must assume that some sort of special "anti-liberal resistance" is required to come out of college right wing. If this is the case, then fewer than 50% of all college graduates would be republican (running on the idea that 50% went in and not every one could "resist").

This would lead to fewer republicans in all aspects of educated careers, including politics. Democrats would win outright in that case. Since this isn't happening, we have to assume that there isn't any sort of indoctrination going on.

Its funny, but I never felt indoctrinated. Lets see, in all my classes we never discussed politics: Biochem, Chem, Organic Chem, Calc, Multivariable Calc, Genetics, Devel. Bio, Russian Language (multiple years), Physics and various seminars on Biophysics and Biochemistry... nope, never got indoctrinated. In fact, I can tell you that none of those professors listed above would have given a rats a$$ what your political leaning was. You either know the answer to the question or you don't.

sigh... I tossed you a softball there drathhy

The point I tried to make when listing all my courses is that POLITICS NEVER CAME UP. What self respecting biochemistry professor is going to start jabbering on about the current state of politics? They don't have enough time to teach everything they currently have to teach. How is a biochemistry professor going to give a lower grade to a student because of their political beliefs? A student's political beliefs do not change the laws of science.

The point I tried to make, which seemed to go over your head, was that you choose your studies and company. Particular courses/professors who Horowitz goes after are "women's studies" or other politically charged courses where a specific doctrine IS being taught. So? the students enrolling in these courses know what the curriculae consists of, just as students attending a college are aware of the student body makeup. To put it simply, I would not saunter into a redneck bar and demand that they stop playing country-western.

"But victor, ALL the colleges are liberal and NONE of them have courses which have a conservative bent!!" Stop, whining. We both know this is not true. There are specific colleges founded with a right wing slant to them (BYU) and there are other colleges where specific departments are known for their conservative thoughts. As an example, economics taught at a number of schools varies from liberal to conservative economic thought. An example would be the Chicago school of economic thought, taught at the University of Chicago and well known for a very libertarian economic message.

Oh, and true. It only takes one republican to challenge the democrats. Are you suggesting that the current political system consists of one educated republican for each slot, supported by an entire populace of highschool educated voters?

I think that some of your colleagues might take umbrage to your suggestion that they are not educated.

Rug,
Okay...help me out here.

Coulter makes her living stating "facts" as Drathaar calls them about liberals. She puts these "facts" along with her thoughts into books that people read, and accept as the "truth." Don't believe that, look at Drathaars post.....he literally swallows her "facts" hook, line, and sinker, and then regurgitates them as fact to others.

One of the "facts" she states in one of her books is that women should not be allowed to vote because they are not smart enough. She also states that women should not be in the military.

When I bring this up, you tell me to "disregard" this as some sort of joke that she didn't mean to say, and that she really didn't mean. A slip of the tongue so to speak. A slip of the tongue? It was printed in a book! Why didn't the editors catch that slip, and why didn't she put a disclaimer in there saying..."hey, I was joking about the women not voting thing."

Am I supposed to believe everything Coulter puts in her books, or just certain things? Which one's are the one's to believe? She states everything as fact.

I read Coulter, and I see a marketing genius that has used her Doctorate to enable her to research things just well enough to put random thoughts into well-versed "stories" that fools looking for answers will suck up like sugar. Add to that a great set of legs (that she makes a point to show off) and a vagina between her legs and she is the dream child money-making machine that her publisher fantasized about all these years! She sells BOOKS by golly, and she's good at it. She has a HOOK I tell you. Poor Drathaar is already dying to read her latest work before it is even released. Why I bet he's even already ordered one! Mo Money! Mo Money! Mo Money! (as Daman and Keenan used to say).

The woman is releasing her book and using "666" as a selling point. Motley Crue, Black Sabbath, Ronnie James Dio all did that too. Good marketing. The only difference was, the Christians were offended. With Coulter, they're sucking it up.

Wow, Christians dying to buy a book because it's published on "666." Go figure.

doomi, the answer to all your questions can be found on these very boards. Look it up. But never did I say I attended a few night courses. I DID say I worked nights while going to school. Your reading comprehension needs work...among other things.

Okay...then I'll ask the questions again. As I said, I'm trying to understand where you are coming from:

1. Did you attend the campus as a resident, or did you attend satellite courses on a military base?

2. What did you major in?

3. What degree did you earn?

4. Isn't St Martin's a Catholic school?

Drathaar,
I DO read Coulters books. It's what good researchers and well-rounded folks do....they look at things from ALL perspectives and then make a judgement based upon education, experience, morals, and "feeling."

You said:

"many people have tried to dispute Ann's facts. All have failed. If you actually pick up one of her books (instead of copying and pasting a review by some liberal) you will notice something about her sources. She actually names them. Read a book by a liberal and try to find the source. You usually end up with "He said, She said"."

So, are you agreeing with me that she states "women should not be allowed to vote and they should NOT be in the military?" If so, then are you also disagreeing with Rugrunner who claims this statement of hers to NOT be a fact?

Coulter "selectively" backs up her facts. Most of them are very crude and misleading. Only a fool would NOT see the attention grabbing ploys she uses.

"In fact, her footnotes do a poor job of supporting the assertions she makes. Many assertions go unfootnoted; many others are not supported by the footnote cited. Still others show signs of selective quotation, where once the entire article or quotation is examined, it implacably points in some direction other than what Ms. Coulter would like us to think."


"My conclusion is that one of her books has 780 footnotes for the main purpose of having 780 footnotes. They're pure ballast. How else to explain, e.g., this: She asserts that Hollywood celebrities and trial lawyers make large donations to the Democratic Party. No one really doubts this. But she adds a footnote anyway. The footnoted article is about contributions by Disney executives to the Senate campaign of Hillary Clinton. The article says nothing about the Democratic Party, Hollywood celebrities or trial lawyers. True, Clinton is a Democrat, Disney is in the entertainment business, and the article mentions that lawyers (never singling out "trial lawyers") have been generous to Clinton. But the article simply does not support the global assertions about the Democratic Party, etc. It is absolutely incredible that Ms. Coulter could not have found a supporting citation if she had looked. Instead, she just cited the first article she found on Lexis/Nexis that was even in the right ballpark. Or so it seems to me."

This means that the footnotes are worse than useless, they are misleading. Don't be misled.

She a fraud, a sideshow, and a moneymaking machine that is no different than a man selling cure-all hair tonic in a travelling circus.

There's a sucker born every minute, and you are a big one it appears.

Hey 8track,
you're fouling up the waters again....

Why don't you stay out of conversations that you have nothing constructive to add to?

Either agree with my post, disagree, or add something of value.

Quit stirring up trouble. You're starting to become a pest.

I quote you, and I'M fouling the waters.

Better check your personal PCP readings.

"becoming a pest" is better than being called a pest. Good thing too. It would have been your third personal attack of the evening.

That's not being very well rounded.

I still scratch my head at the reason you waste all this time and effort painting your vision of the world and propaganda on a discount cigar message board.

Isn't there a Egomaniacs Anonymous or an Aviators Without Borders where this information could be better used or acted upon?

(Is this were you are going to tell the great unwashed rabble how you are trying to edge-jew-kate us?)

Drathaar...
General courses? Now you are the one being insulting.
I have a BA in Biology, independent research in Biochemistry, two years of post graduate studies in Biochemistry and an MBA. I went beyond general courses 10 years ago.

Earlier this wasn't about "what's in the news" this was about your particular feelings that you were being persecuted as a republican. Now you have resorted to "I heard in the news". What is in the news is likely Horowitz's activities (regarding Universities at least) and is immediately suspect. I have a few things to ask you, if you think this is really a problem.
1) What about existing textbooks is inaccurate? (there are of course inaccuracies, but I would like to know which ones are anti right-wing)

2) How would liberals get whipped on an even playing field if the point of the exercise is the learn? Assuming we are in a college course, and the goal of the course is to learn what the professor is teaching and show that we have learned it (through tests and essays)... how is this biased against republicans? This is as bad as people saying that the SATs are biased against blacks (yes, I said it... I don't believe that BS either)

3) Identify one instance where a student with a right-wing bent has sucessfully (or even slightly sucessfully) shown the professor discriminated against them and gave them a lower grade than they deserved. And keep in mind, this has to be more sophisticated than "Professor X doesn't like me and gave me a bad grade!!" That didn't work for me in grade school, and shouldn't work for adults in college.

I would argue that the best universities have people from both schools of thought. As I said before, JHU had a strong right wing contingency. As do most of the ivy league schools. As long as we are talking about private universities, they will have the philosophy which their market demands. If there are more "liberal" colleges than conservative, this may be because more people who go to school are demanding this of their university and are willing to pay for it.

Keep in mind, if you are equating liberal with "not accepting hook line and sinker the right-wing agenda" then almost every college is liberal. The idea behind a university is that no one's ideas are irrefutable. This is acceptable in most liberal views, and therefore not disputed by liberals.

Senator Paul Wellstone (one of those liberal college professors that teach politcal science at none other than Carleton College), has been referred to as "the most liberal man in America."

He is one of Random House's biggest sellers of liberal books that he authors.

Wow.....Ann Coulter herself is colleagues with the liberal media master. I wonder if they tip glasses of Krug together at publishing parties as they dip their crackers in caviar and toast the middle class that buy their books?

One day I hope to get invited to a Random House publishing party. So far, I've never been, but I have been to a party thrown by McGraw Hill.

I have a friend that uses Random House.....I'll ask him to invite me to their next shindig. I sincerely will give it my best effort to toss a root at Ms Coulter and give her a good old fashioned shagging out in the flower garden where we'll sneak off to smoke a joint.

That'd be pretty cool.

vic,

Don't be so daft. Everyone has to take General Courses their first two years in college.

So you don't watch the news eh? Your loss. And as usual doo...vic, you are wrong. Earlier this thread was about Republicans getting the shaft in college, not just me. I used me as an example.

1. History. The national average for Republicans in college History Departments is 0. Zero. Who writes the books? The professors. If you haven't read one lately, pick one up at any college bookstore.

2. Elections.

3. I already did, and it was my English teacher. She tried to fail me after I joined the College Republicans. Luckily I kept all copies of all my work. Then she tried to blame it on attendance. I was late twice and missed a grand total of 2 classes. I missed the classes because I had to be in court to fry a drunk driver who hit me (a pedestrian) in a parking lot and drove off. Valid excuse.

Oh, and Godless isn't be published on 6/6/06. Its being released on that date. (doomi, #74)

adroomi,

IMHO
Never try to persuade someone who is sure they are right.
It's a waste of time.

Maybe the news hasn't made it out yet globally Adroomi, but Wellstone died just over 4 years ago in plane crash. Maybe if you watched the news once in while instead just being "out in the world globally" you would know that.

If you do get to meet him at a party, I wouldn't shake his hand. At this point it's likely to come off. Maybe you can come to my ring of fire party this October, we have it every year in his honor. Kinda.


How do you know about Coulter lying on MSNBC and O'rielly lying about the same thing if you've never watched? The crap on those blue blogs is only useful if you stay there. If you take it out in the real world (globally or not) you might be asked for the truth.

As far as you 200,000 in sudent loans goes, I'd want a refund. You cant keep up with me, much less a guy that took some night classes.

Oh, and do you even look at the source when you're copying and pasting? You quoted Al Franken. Damn, you do need a refund.

Well, bye...

How did the thread ruin your day? You didn't read it if you saw hate on anyone's part but Adroomi and friends.

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