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rfenst Offline
#1 Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2011, 7:55 PM EST
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It makes me sick to hear here voice. The TV show she has where she is a "judge" is a joke.
Here evening show often involves very bright and experienced experts and lawyers, but she doesn't even give them a chance to explain their positions/arguments before berating them. News value? Some, but not much at all. I hate her with a passion.
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#2 Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2011, 8:01 PM EST
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I've never heard of her but since she works for those networks I hate her to like a good conservative zombie.
jimbud Offline
#3 Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2011, 8:02 PM EST
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I absolutely despise her, and I am not necessarily political in nature. Gives the profession a bad name. Embarrassing, especially the callers who fawn over her. She is master of the obvious..... A jury would instantly hate her. Rant over. Sorry about that.....
rfenst Offline
#4 Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2011, 8:30 PM EST
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jimbud wrote:
I absolutely despise her, and I am not necessarily political in nature. Gives the profession a bad name. Embarrassing, especially the callers who fawn over her. She is master of the obvious..... A jury would instantly hate her. Rant over. Sorry about that.....


That was not a rant. It was the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth!
jimbud Offline
#5 Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2011, 8:39 PM EST
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This will be my 2000 post.

She makes my skin crawl. Condescending, disrespectful and simply rude. No redeeming value to her show. It is cotton candy. Repulsive. Well Robert, you hit one of my triggers. Goes back to when she had Jon benet's parents convicted and hung...... Never an apology, and there have been many similar examples since. Can't recall whether her coverage of the oj trial pissed me off. Perhaps that was before her time........ If I tried a case against her, I would pray that she brought her vitriolic, condescending demeanor into the courtroom. Would not last long....
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#6 Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2011, 9:04 PM EST
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KILL



YOUR


TELEVISION!!!
jimbud Offline
#7 Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2011, 9:08 PM EST
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But it it my bestus friend...... (and I need to watch the yanks and cowboys.)
DrMaddVibe Offline
#8 Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2011, 9:12 PM EST
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jimbud wrote:
But it it my bestus friend...... (and I need to watch the yanks and cowboys.)



No...it eats your time

It eats your mind

It pollutes your soul

It creates a hole...

A hole where a soul should be.

Unless you're buying soup or a car.
jimbud Offline
#9 Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2011, 9:17 PM EST
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We nay be overthinking this. Mostly I just dont like Nancy grace, and she mostly comes out at night....mostly.


Movie reference anyone?
jackconrad Offline
#10 Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2011, 9:47 PM EST
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She defines da toim "Cheap Broad".
HockeyDad Offline
#11 Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2011, 9:56 PM EST
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I still believe she killed Natalie Holloway.
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#12 Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2011, 10:14 PM EST
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Robert you're a step ahead of me with her voice....I can't stand the sight of her. Smarmy shrew.
rfenst Offline
#13 Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2011, 11:22 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I still believe she killed Natalie Holloway.


She certainly didn't help out, except to inflame the situation and unfairly destroy Aruba's credibility as a safe vacation spot. Not that I am admitting to anything, but I was vacationing there when Holloway went missing. During one subsequent visit, I played in a poker tournament, where Van der Sloot was seated directly across from me, no more than three feet away. Creepy...
ZRX1200 Offline
#14 Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2011, 11:28 PM EST
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Did you give him your business card???!
donutboy2000 Offline
#15 Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2011, 11:34 PM EST
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http://nancygracemustdie.com/
Gene363 Offline
#16 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2011, 6:12 AM EST
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Just another 'News Ho' looking for raitings.

I don't care for her at all. She should be relegated to playing a witch in a Halloween spook house.
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#17 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2011, 7:57 AM EST
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Ram has a bat... ram27bat
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#18 Posted: Tue, Jun 21 2011, 8:09 AM EST
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So let me get this straight........you're telling me Nancy Grace is female.I'm throwing up the bullsh*t flag on that one.

Whatever the case may be......I can't believe they've kept IT on air.Awful show with an awful host.


Ron
jimbud Offline
#19 Posted: Fri, Jul 1 2011, 8:00 PM EST
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Just saw her again. Truly vile and repugnant. Shocking that there are people who like this serpent.
wheelrite Offline
#20 Posted: Fri, Jul 1 2011, 8:20 PM EST
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Is Rfenst a TV show lawyer ???
HockeyDad Offline
#21 Posted: Fri, Jul 1 2011, 9:05 PM EST
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If she is in your city, do not be out at night alone. Stay in groups and on the main streets.
wheelrite Offline
#22 Posted: Fri, Jul 1 2011, 9:29 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
If she is in your city, do not be out at night alone. Stay in groups and on the main streets.


So,
She's like Rosie O'Donnell on the hunt for fresh poon?

be afraid,,,
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#23 Posted: Fri, Jul 1 2011, 11:56 PM EST
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Dats my cousin Harvery livin on her head !
rfenst Offline
#24 Posted: Sat, Jul 2 2011, 4:24 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
Is Rfenst a TV show lawyer ???


Only if I get paid as much as Judge Judy.
Oh, and Marylin Milian is much hotter.
Gene363 Offline
#25 Posted: Sun, Jul 3 2011, 12:58 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
... I hate her with a passion.


Caution, there is a mighty thin line that separates passionate hate from passionate love.

I'm just saying jester
rfenst Offline
#26 Posted: Sun, Jul 3 2011, 2:40 PM EST
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If you want to see an outstanding, extremely effective, very classic: "failed to prove beyond any reasonable doubt"; someone else-may-have -done-it; their witnesses are all liar's; closing statement, you need to turn this on right now!
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#27 Posted: Sun, Jul 3 2011, 3:38 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
If you want to see an outstanding, extremely effective, very classic: "failed to prove beyond any reasonable doubt"; someone else-may-have -done-it; their witnesses are all liar's; closing statement, you need to turn this on right now!


Nice diversion. jester

Right now he is cutting on the Father, I say drown the entire family.
rfenst Offline
#28 Posted: Sun, Jul 3 2011, 4:05 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
Nice diversion. jester

Right now he is cutting on the Father, I say drown the entire family.



Both myself and several other lawyers on Central Florida Trial Lawyers' Association list-serve (some of whom were long assistant state attorneys and criminal attorneys) think he is doing very well. A tad long, but still very well. Let's see if its good enough to save her life- wanna bet it does?
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#29 Posted: Sun, Jul 3 2011, 4:36 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Both myself and several other lawyers on Central Florida Trial Lawyers' Association list-serve (some of whom were long assistant state attorneys and criminal attorneys) think he is doing very well. A tad long, but still very well. Let's see if its good enough to save her life- wanna bet it does?



So you think she will be declared totally innocent or just not get the death penalty?

I'm not a betting man, even if I was betting on what a jury would be about my last choice.
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#30 Posted: Sun, Jul 3 2011, 4:43 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:

So you think she will be declared totally innocent or just not get the death penalty?

I'm not a betting man, even if I was betting on what a jury would be about my last choice.


Not get the death penalty.
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#31 Posted: Sun, Jul 3 2011, 4:52 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Not get the death penalty.


This is going late. Defense is arguing for lesser included offenses. Prosecutor still has almost 3.5 hours left on the clock. If he cuts it short to just two more hours, it will still be night time and dark outside.
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#32 Posted: Sun, Jul 3 2011, 6:38 PM EST
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I would never bet on a decision made by 12 people who are too stupid to get out of jury duty.
rfenst Offline
#33 Posted: Mon, Jul 4 2011, 3:24 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I would never bet on a decision made by 12 people who are too stupid to get out of jury duty.



Based on everything I saw and heard from the televised broadcast of the proceedings, I would have to (unfortunately) find her not-guilty under the law, except for the four charges for lying to law enforcement.
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#34 Posted: Mon, Jul 4 2011, 3:54 PM EST
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I watched almost all of the closing arguments. First, you have to understand, trying a small case is a tremendous undertaking, as I'm sure rfenst will agree. Trying a case like this is beyond exhausting. These lawyers have been, no doubt, putting in 15 to 18 hour days since 30 days before evidence started, with no days off. That is why you get so pissed off when you see opposing counsel laughing during your closing argument..... I thought the defense lawyers were absolutely excellent and very dedicated. I differ in what I think will result -- I think the prosecution gets some version of first degree.
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#35 Posted: Mon, Jul 4 2011, 4:18 PM EST
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jimbud wrote:
I watched almost all of the closing arguments. First, you have to understand, trying a small case is a tremendous undertaking, as I'm sure rfenst will agree. Trying a case like this is beyond exhausting. These lawyers have been, no doubt, putting in 15 to 18 hour days since 30 days before evidence started, with no days off. That is why you get so pissed off when you see opposing counsel laughing during your closing argument..... I thought the defense lawyers were absolutely excellent and very dedicated. I differ in what I think will result -- I think the prosecution gets some version of first degree.



Jim,

I am here in Orlando. Did an internship at the State Attorney's Office. Jeff Ashton is a DICKHEAD. Probably 2/3 of what he was accused of is true. Nobody here knows anything about Baez, except for this case. Baez' "supervisor" Cheney Mason, is a death-penalty certified "good old Boy", who gets results, but wasn't of any real help in this case. Sad thing is that if Cassey hired one of the real "guns" in town, we would have seen a brilliant trial.

Trial is among the most exhausting legal work. Just sitting there and paying attention will wipe anyone out. Then, as soon as the trial day is over, there are hours of work to do to prepare for the next day. If the lawyers on this case are getting more than five hours sleep per night, they are very lucky. Imagine what RX need to take or drink, just to fall asleep?

I just don't see a jury sending her to the chair or for an injection...
rfenst Offline
#36 Posted: Mon, Jul 4 2011, 4:20 PM EST
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Too bad Judge Perry took this case.
Too bad the Bar Rules are so strict I could get in trouble for publicly criticizing him.
jimbud Offline
#37 Posted: Mon, Jul 4 2011, 4:32 PM EST
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Robert: Great info!! There is no better info than local reputation. I imagine the FL Bar in your area is as incestuous as ours is here.... No offense -- and I know you aren't a prosecutor now -- but I have rarely come across a non-DICKHEAD prosecutor. When I saw him laughing during Baez's argument, I wanted to put my fist through the screen. I do civil, and have only tangential dealings with them. Didn't realize Baez was an unknown. That is very surprising, and I know what you mean re: going with the proven guns in the jurisdiction. In our Bar Association, some of the key death penalty qualified guys go for a week every year to Gerry Spence's Trial College that has a special seminar on death penalty defense. Same guys, over and over, and they are good. Noted that Cheney opened with an anecdote about Hartford, CT, which I enjoyed.
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#38 Posted: Mon, Jul 4 2011, 4:40 PM EST
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Perry is a hard ass and will be perceived by the public as a great judge. I saw nothing that distinguished him. He displayed no understanding of what the lawyers were going through. We call it black robe syndrome.....
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#39 Posted: Mon, Jul 4 2011, 4:52 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
Is Rfenst a TV show lawyer ???


No, but he plays a TV show lawyer on TV.

It's complicated, but lawyers can figure that stuff out, because they have a lot of book learnin' and stuff.

Beer
rfenst Offline
#40 Posted: Mon, Jul 4 2011, 4:55 PM EST
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jimbud wrote:
Robert: Great info!! There is no better info than local reputation. I imagine the FL Bar in your area is as incestuous as ours is here.... No offense -- and I know you aren't a prosecutor now -- but I have rarely come across a non-DICKHEAD prosecutor. When I saw him laughing during Baez's argument, I wanted to put my fist through the screen. I do civil, and have only tangential dealings with them. Didn't realize Baez was an unknown. That is very surprising, and I know what you mean re: going with the proven guns in the jurisdiction. In our Bar Association, some of the key death penalty qualified guys go for a week every year to Gerry Spence's Trial College that has a special seminar on death penalty defense. Same guys, over and over, and they are good. Noted that Cheney opened with an anecdote about Hartford, CT, which I enjoyed.


Maybe I didn't express it correctly: As far as most prosecutors go, he's a MAJOR ******. Whine, Whine Whine.
Smirk, Smirk, Smirk. Facial gestures galore. I saw nothing wrong with Baez calling him out on it and directing the jury's attention to Ashton. This is a death trial- not misdemeanor arraignment- where accuseds say the darnedest things...

Baez has been practicing for about 8 years now. No one understands how she ever got to him, with so many choices out there. Funny thing is that the parents' first lawyer, Mark Nejame, would have been a great pick by Cassey. He's a media savy/whore, who is very creative. Prosecutors don't want' to mess with him.

Rumor id that Judge Perry is about to retire. I see a book deal in his future.

Here is what concerns me the most. Every single lawyer commentator on TV has ridiculed Baez' strategy and how bad he messed up by making an Opening Statement when he did, let alone what he said about an accidental drowning. So too has Retired Judge Eaton who, despite his total lack of on-air personality, is the most knowledgeable death-penalty judge in Florida. How does she NOT get a re-trial due to ineffective counsel?

Lots of potentially improper, novel expert testimony, such as on "the odor of decomposition"...
jimbud Offline
#41 Posted: Mon, Jul 4 2011, 5:08 PM EST
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Gotcha on Ashton; not surprising. Loved Baez calling him out. Baez has been practicing for 8 years??????? Holy sh*t! You're lucky to try a small civil case in that timeframe..... Extraordinary. That may explain the overpromising in closing argument, but I thought the fact the prosecution couldn't reference it mitiged the omission greatly. Maybe the deck was so stacked against her that the opening argument may benefit her... Nancy Grace thought (wrongly) that there could be no reference to the drowning, but there was plenty of evidence that could be argued on that point. Great info, Robert. BTW, surprised to see that your courthouse has 23 floors. Is that usual -- a converted office building? We don't have one more than 8 floors......
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#42 Posted: Mon, Jul 4 2011, 5:10 PM EST
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jimbud wrote:
Perry is a hard ass and will be perceived by the public as a great judge. I saw nothing that distinguished him. He displayed no understanding of what the lawyers were going through. We call it black robe syndrome.....



Hard ass? I disagree. He never had control of the attorneys. He should have done what he did yesterday weeks to months ago. Obviously, he can't throw Cassey's attorney, Baez, out. That would likely be an automatic reversal.

Judge Perry has been the Administrative Judge virtually his entire career on the bench. I think he only does things like adoptions and uncontested probate. He seems to covers here and there some day, for absent Judges whose dockets are not in trial. My last direct experience with him over 10 years ago, was an ex-parte hearing where a bunch of busy lawyers waited outside the hearing room for a good 10 minutes while he talked about his social life with an old friend.

On the other hand he has fulfilled one important role of the Administrative Judge: He acts quickly to put misbehaving judges on paid leave, before charges are even public, while they wait to get their Judicial Hearing- and then throwing them under the bus real fast.
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#43 Posted: Mon, Jul 4 2011, 5:12 PM EST
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^Good info.
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#44 Posted: Mon, Jul 4 2011, 5:15 PM EST
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jimbud wrote:
BTW, surprised to see that your courthouse has 23 floors. Is that usual -- a converted office building? We don't have one more than 8 floors......



It was just completed, brand new, about 10-15 years ago. Before then, we had several different downtown courthouse and the PD and Prosecutors where in separate buildings 2-3 blocks apart. Now, everything is located in the courthouse's plaza, which has two other tall office buildings. (Maybe that is why our filing fee is $400?) Where are you at?
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#45 Posted: Mon, Jul 4 2011, 5:23 PM EST
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CT, which means I go to courthouses in Hartford, Stamford, Middletown, Waterbury, New Haven, Bridgeport, Putnam, etc. Most cases I have are in Stamford, which is in Fairfield County -- right outside NYC; we call it the Gold Coast. That is about an hour from south of where I live. The Monday motion's calendar is called at 9:30 am, which means I leave my house at 6:45 am to get there in traffic......
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#46 Posted: Mon, Jul 4 2011, 5:26 PM EST
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jimbud wrote:
CT, which means I go to courthouses in Hartford, Stamford, Middletown, Waterbury, New Haven, Bridgeport, Putnam, etc. Most cases I have are in Stamford, which is in Fairfield County -- right outside NYC; we call it the Gold Coast. That is about an hour from south of where I live. The Monday motion's calendar is called at 9:30 am, which means I leave my house at 6:45 am to get there in traffic......


^ Holly $hit!!!
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#47 Posted: Mon, Jul 4 2011, 5:31 PM EST
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^yup, but the courhouse was build 4 years ago and is awesome. Free parking; courtrooms ready for electonic presentations and rooms for lawyers to prepare. The only complaint I have is the lack of food or water allowed. I've had granola bars confiscated many times. That aside, we have great courthouse in Stamford.
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#48 Posted: Mon, Jul 4 2011, 5:32 PM EST
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jimbud wrote:
^yup, but the courhouse was build 4 years ago and is awesome. Free parking; courtrooms ready for electonic presentations and rooms for lawyers to prepare. The only complaint I have is the lack of food or water allowed. I've had granola bars confiscated many times. That aside, we have great courthouse in Stamford.



Same technology capability here too. Not even a cafeteria?
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#49 Posted: Mon, Jul 4 2011, 5:40 PM EST
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No, amazingly. CT has contracted with the institute for the seeing impaired to provide food in the Courthouses. You order from a limited menu and call out the price. These challenged folks there do an amazing job, but it doesn't work with the time constraints. The "cafeteria" is a 6 by 6 room and the selection is extremely limited (I'm a vegetarian). There is a Marshall sitting outsdide, and you cannot bring anything out. Usually, your opposing cousel is sitting a foot or two away if you go there......
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#50 Posted: Tue, Jul 5 2011, 1:43 PM EST
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Innocent of murder.

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