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tailgater Offline
#51 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
The American diet is terrible – especially for kids. Yes the government should do more – regulations if needed. God knows the parents aren’t smart enough to do the right thing. If the Michelle wants to help, more power to her.



This is a prime example of why liberals shouldn't be allowed to vote.
Each and every one of you are so incapable of reasonable behaviors that you demand the government mandate regulations for everyone.
It would be funny.
Except that it's so pathetic.

Barack is scary enough. But we voted for him.
Michelle is just plain scary. And we didn't vote for her. Yet she's trying to get her massive tentacles around our ability to have a french fry.



tailgater Offline
#52 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
Actually I understood making fun of hilldog.

and if you are somehow terrified by someong advocating better nutiritional choices I guess I can understand that. But the wookie? weird.


TW,
We wouldn't be discussing this if her massive tentacles stopped at merely "advocating".
Her message regarding nutrition is a good one.
It's the fall out that a reasonable person will come to regret: additional regulations, forbidden foods, banned items, and of course a dozen new agencies to enforce it all.

And when you lose your ability to have a hamburger with extra mayo, I'm sure you'll thank your lucky stars that michelle was so tenatious in her efforts.

teedubbya Offline
#53 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
TW,
We wouldn't be discussing this if her massive tentacles stopped at merely "advocating".
Her message regarding nutrition is a good one.
It's the fall out that a reasonable person will come to regret: additional regulations, forbidden foods, banned items, and of course a dozen new agencies to enforce it all.

And when you lose your ability to have a hamburger with extra mayo, I'm sure you'll thank your lucky stars that michelle was so tenatious in her efforts.



Fair enough. So you are against those policies (which she has no direct control over just a mini bully pulpit). It's also fair to say you are for smaller govt. So a first lady from a prez supporting your views would presumably be off limits (libraries, just say no ...) but someone proposing healthier diets extrapolates to a food police state and thus she is ugly, wookie, big ass etc.


I've just never gotten much into bagging on the first ladies, although hilldog was a tempting one. Since she eventually ran for office etc it makes more sense. Michele has never and will most likely never run for anythihng.

Pushing back on her issues etc is understandable. the othr nonsense is sort of classless.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#54 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
TW,
We wouldn't be discussing this if her massive tentacles stopped at merely "advocating".
Her message regarding nutrition is a good one.
It's the fall out that a reasonable person will come to regret: additional regulations, forbidden foods, banned items, and of course a dozen new agencies to enforce it all.

And when you lose your ability to have a hamburger with extra mayo, I'm sure you'll thank your lucky stars that michelle was so tenatious in her efforts.




Jeez...put it so he can understand it...

Look TW...BiggAss deleted Key Lime Spritz Water from Wal-Mart because she can.whip
teedubbya Offline
#55 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Jeez...put it so he can understand it...

Look TW...BiggAss deleted Key Lime Spritz Water from Wal-Mart because she can.whip


the effin wookie has breath like chewie
DrMaddVibe Offline
#56 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
the effin wookie has breath like chewie



Effin A, B and C too!ram27bat
teedubbya Offline
#57 Posted:
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just say no was a non intrusive government shrinking program right? So I am asuming most in here called Nancy every name in the book. Too bad the lord of the rings movies were not out. She does sort of look like that little bald thing (gohlum or somethin like that)
DrMaddVibe Offline
#58 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
just say no was a non intrusive government shrinking program right?



It was a headfake...while the White House was saying that the CIA was funneling drugs to fund the Contras. Who was sayin' "No" there?

That's right.

Now...we're in the Magical Poppyland

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.
teedubbya Offline
#59 Posted:
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I take back everything I said. This is liberating. Ever notice the stretchmarks on Barbaras lips. George Sr. must be HUNG. *garbled sounds comming from Babs mouth* daddy "nah ghon doit"
DrMaddVibe Offline
#60 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
I take back everything I said. This is liberating. Ever notice the stretchmarks on Barbaras lips. George Sr. must be HUNG. *garbled sounds comming from Babs mouth* daddy "nah ghon doit"



You sure he just isn't like hooking her mouth with both hands?

Give new meaning to "Hook 'em Horns"!
ZRX1200 Offline
#61 Posted:
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I was 4 years old when the Gipper was elected.....so no.
teedubbya Offline
#62 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
You sure he just isn't like hooking her mouth with both hands?

Give new meaning to "Hook 'em Horns"!


That makes more sense. I just assumed he was well endowned because his enormous deek produced such a huge prick
teedubbya Offline
#63 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I was 4 years old when the Gipper was elected.....so no.


It's not to late. I'm sure you made fun of Laura's looks too! It's great fun.
Brewha Offline
#64 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
not if you're out of smokes and too drunk to drive.... Mellow

Point taken
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#65 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Brewha.......you really stupid enough to not know the FDA's record? Or are you trying to hook me with a response. I refuse to take such a ignorant question seriously.


Your refusal in noted.
You want fry’s with that?
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#66 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
This is a prime example of why liberals shouldn't be allowed to vote.
Each and every one of you are so incapable of reasonable behaviors that you demand the government mandate regulations for everyone.
It would be funny.
Except that it's so pathetic.

Barack is scary enough. But we voted for him.
Michelle is just plain scary. And we didn't vote for her. Yet she's trying to get her massive tentacles around our ability to have a french fry.


Submit to the will of Queen Michelle, High Priestess of the seven seas dressing!

Whoa to all those would put the unclean foods into their bodies, or the bellies of their man servants or offspring. Harkin to the words, and cast out the shameless demons of the twinkie. Obey!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#67 Posted:
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I know let's grow an organic garden and fertilize it with raw sewage!

It'll be magical and grow faster than normal vegetables!



If only it wasn't the truth...BiggAss and her magical garden!
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Brewha.......you really stupid enough to not know the FDA's record? Or are you trying to hook me with a response. I refuse to take such a ignorant question seriously.



So because it's underfunded and understaffed, we should get rid of it and let the industries police themselves? I hope you aren't suggesting that.
teedubbya Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
So because it's underfunded and understaffed, we should get rid of it and let the industries police themselves? I hope you aren't suggesting that.



Cool. Maybe Massengill's Elixir Sulfanilamide will re-enter the market
DrMaddVibe Offline
#70 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
So because it's underfunded and understaffed, we should get rid of it and let the industries police themselves? I hope you aren't suggesting that.



GAAAWWWD Noes!!!

Why we need MORE government crawling around the house. Monitoring where you surf on the web...what you buy at the store...what you feed your kids or self...yesss...the anwser has GOT to be MORE government!

More...more...more...more...more...more!
DrafterX Offline
#71 Posted:
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Michelle Obama is sooo fat..... she was measured at 38-26-36... and that was just the left arm... Mellow
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#72 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
Cool. Maybe Massengill's Elixir Sulfanilamide will re-enter the market




Is that better than your salt water..?? Huh
DrMaddVibe Offline
#73 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Michelle Obama is sooo fat..... she was measured at 38-26-36... and that was just the left arm... Mellow




Brewha wrote:
Speaking out against the President during a time of war is treason.

Just say’n -




Frying pan Frying pan Frying pan
DrMaddVibe Offline
#74 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Is that better than your salt water..?? Huh



Git it right...it's KEY LIME SPRITZER WATER
DrafterX Offline
#75 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Speaking out against the President during a time of war is treason.

Just say’n -







damn... I forgot about that... I wonder if those Jack-booted thugs are still around...?? Huh
DrMaddVibe Offline
#76 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Brewha wrote:
Speaking out against the President during a time of war is treason.

Just say’n -







damn... I forgot about that... I wonder if those Jack-booted thugs are still around...?? Huh



They're at the laundrymat!

Don't it make your brown shirt...a white sheet!Boo hoo!
ZRX1200 Offline
#77 Posted:
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Teedubya is so easy going I figured him for a seabreeze kinda guy.

And yes Fuzzy FDA is a failure and will be no matter how much chinese money we throw at the DC black hole.

FuzzNJ Offline
#78 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
GAAAWWWD Noes!!!

Why we need MORE government crawling around the house. Monitoring where you surf on the web...what you buy at the store...what you feed your kids or self...yesss...the anwser has GOT to be MORE government!

More...more...more...more...more...more!


Not at all what was being discussed. The FDA was the topic.

I suppose you can be all 'do it all by myself' and learn how to test meats, foods and drugs for contaminents and bacteria, run drug studies at your own expense, all to protect your family because that's the Rand way. But I think having a government agency over-seeing these things is actually a good thing.
FuzzNJ Offline
#79 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Teedubya is so easy going I figured him for a seabreeze kinda guy.

And yes Fuzzy FDA is a failure and will be no matter how much chinese money we throw at the DC black hole.



Didn't answer the question.

Should be abolish the FDA? And if so, what do you think the result would be?
ZRX1200 Offline
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You think every piece of meat is inspected?


Brewha......your progressively stranger comments on multiple threads was funny awhile back.

"Dissent is patriotic"
~Hillrod
wheelrite Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Not at all what was being discussed. The FDA was the topic.

I suppose you can be all 'do it all by myself' and learn how to test meats, foods and drugs for contaminents and bacteria, run drug studies at your own expense, all to protect your family because that's the Rand way. But I think having a government agency over-seeing these things is actually a good thing.


Jeebus...

as much as it pains me to say...

Fuzz may be partially correct on this point,ONLY..

But Michelle still looks like Wilt Chambelrain with teats..
DrafterX Offline
#82 Posted:
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does the FDA make the gubment cheese..?? Huh
teedubbya Offline
#83 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Teedubya is so easy going I figured him for a seabreeze kinda guy.

And yes Fuzzy FDA is a failure and will be no matter how much chinese money we throw at the DC black hole.



I'm not placing a value on this but I assume from what you are saying we should not need an RX to get any drugs and the drug companies should be able to deliver anything they like to the market regardless of effacy or safety. As long as someone buys it, its cool? Thus the massengill reference. A nice safe company looking out for our interests.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#84 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Not at all what was being discussed. The FDA was the topic.

I suppose you can be all 'do it all by myself' and learn how to test meats, foods and drugs for contaminents and bacteria, run drug studies at your own expense, all to protect your family because that's the Rand way. But I think having a government agency over-seeing these things is actually a good thing.



Sorry, but there are agencies that could dry up and we'd be better for it.

If you think your precious FDA is testing the food around here you're SADLY mistaken!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#85 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
does the FDA make the gubment cheese..?? Huh



They don't make the cheese...they make it cheesier!whip
FuzzNJ Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
You think every piece of meat is inspected?



Not even close.
teedubbya Offline
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Aside from the Pure Food and Drug Act of 1906 and the Harrison Act of 1914 banning the sale of some narcotic drugs, there was no federal regulatory control ensuring the safety of new drugs until Congress enacted the 1938 Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act in response to the elixir sulfanilamide poisoning crisis.

In 1937, S. E. Massengill Company, a pharmaceutical manufacturer, created a preparation of sulfanilamide using diethylene glycol (DEG) as a solvent, and called the preparation "Elixir Sulfanilamide".[3] DEG is poisonous to humans, but Harold Watkins, the company's chief pharmacist and chemist, was not aware of this (although it was known at the time).[1] Watkins simply added raspberry flavoring to the sulfa drug which he had dissolved in DEG and the company then marketed the product. Although animal testing should have been routine in most drug company operations, Massengill performed none and there were no regulations requiring premarket safety testing of new drugs.

The company started selling and distributing the medication in September 1937. By October 11, the American Medical Association received a report of several deaths caused by the medication. The Food and Drug Administration was notified, and an extensive search was conducted to recover the distributed medicine.[4] Frances Oldham Kelsey assisted on a research project that verified that the excipient DEG was responsible for the fatal adverse effects. At least 100 deaths were blamed on the medication.

The owner of the company, when pressed to admit some measure of culpability, famously answered, "We have been supplying a legitimate professional demand and not once could have foreseen the unlooked-for results. I do not feel that there was any responsibility on our part."[5] Watkins, the chemist, committed suicide while awaiting trial.[5]

Congress responded to public outrage by passing the 1938 Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, which required that companies perform animal safety tests on their proposed new drugs and submit the data to the FDA before being allowed to market their products. The Massengill Company paid a minimum fine under provisions of the 1906 Pure Food and Drugs Act, which prohibited labeling the preparation an "elixir" if it had no alcohol in it.

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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Sorry, but there are agencies that could dry up and we'd be better for it.

If you think your precious FDA is testing the food around here you're SADLY mistaken!


The agency is WAY underfunded and understaffed for what is needed. Saying it's a failure because of that does not make it unnecessary, it actually says it requires more attention.

I certainly don't trust a company to put safety above profits. If there is a chance of getting away with letting something slide and selling the product at a profit, or recalling or destroying it all because of something 'wrong' with it that there is a chance they can get away with, I'm sure they would do the latter the majority of the time. If it doesn't work, oh well, insurance will pay out, bad press for a month or less, change the name of the company, and back on with business. No one is ever held accountable for that sh*t anyway.
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douche
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FuzzNJ wrote:
The agency is WAY underfunded and understaffed for what is needed. Saying it's a failure because of that does not make it unnecessary, it actually says it requires more attention.

I certainly don't trust a company to put safety above profits. If there is a chance of getting away with letting something slide and selling the product at a profit, or recalling or destroying it all because of something 'wrong' with it that there is a chance they can get away with, I'm sure they would do the latter the majority of the time. If it doesn't work, oh well, insurance will pay out, bad press for a month or less, change the name of the company, and back on with business. No one is ever held accountable for that sh*t anyway.



Yesss...so you surrender yourself to more government...more...more...more...more...more...more!

In my best Fuzzy screechy voice - - HELP!!! I'm not able to do anything for myself and need 25 people to look over me...help! Help!!! Somebody please pay for it all too! I cannot so we need to do it for the children...think of the children. Why do you hate clean water and air?


Frying pan
teedubbya Offline
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The FDA is quite inept at many things but not all things. And sometimes you can blame the agency when they are actually following the law. *shrug*

I do want the govt screening drugs etc. prior to them hitting the market and taking them off when there are issues. I also think toyotas brake issue would be largely invisible without the govt involvement etc.

I'm for smaller govt but not a free for all.
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#92 Posted:
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I can understand someone wanting to abolish the FDA. But would you somehow abosorb some of their functions somewhere or just go back to the 1800s in this regard?
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teedubbya wrote:
The FDA is quite inept at many things but not all things. And sometimes you can blame the agency when they are actually following the law. *shrug*

I do want the govt screening drugs etc. prior to them hitting the market and taking them off when there are issues. I also think toyotas brake issue would be largely invisible without the govt involvement etc.

I'm for smaller govt but not a free for all.



I'm not advocating a total free for all, but there's a limit to what they do.

Besides in Toyota's case they KNEW about the issue and pushed it out the door for YEARS!!! There's your' government in action..ps...that review in Consumer Reports was favorable for YEARS too!
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Fuzzy I want those responsible for damages held accountable but that's really being done now. How much money you gonna throw at it?

Teedubya that comment was actually directed at the food segment. But they have been a failure with drugs as well.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Yesss...so you surrender yourself to more government...more...more...more...more...more...more!


How would I be surrendering anything in this scenario? Attempting to keep the food and drug supply as safe as possible for the American people? I just don't get it.

You the type of person who grows and hunts for all your food and only prays for medical needs? I know you aren't Amish, you're here on this board.

I guess I also surrendered to more government by allowing the court system to be in place, hell, all three branches of the federal government, etc. And the military, wow, now there's a huge expense. Don't need them either.

You've done it all by yourself, you continue to do it with no help from anyone and you are the hero Galt himself.

You are also full of crap. Again may I suggest Somolia as a new place of residence because there you will be free from all that pesky government sh*t and be able to rise to King quickly.
teedubbya Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I'm not advocating a total free for all, but there's a limit to what they do.

Besides in Toyota's case they KNEW about the issue and pushed it out the door for YEARS!!! There's your' government in action..ps...that review in Consumer Reports was favorable for YEARS too!


Limit is cool, but some say all. and at some point you need to draw that line which is ever changing.

In the case of the Food Drug and Cosmetic act of 1938 there was a large movement towrds less govt involvement. The concept of this act had been around for years and had been opposed by the small govt types. It took massengill's total disregard for life and regard for profits to force the bill through. Somethings don't change.

As for toy.... why it was not reported earlier was the fault of Toyota first and formost. If the govt agency knew and didn't report there must either be a reason (usually the way the law is written) or heads should roll.

There is a reason and purpose for govt. It's just expanded to much and needs to shrink. But the everything about govt is bad crowd is silly at times.
teedubbya Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Fuzzy I want those responsible for damages held accountable but that's really being done now. How much money you gonna throw at it?

Teedubya that comment was actually directed at the food segment. But they have been a failure with drugs as well.


Certainly there have been failures. bad drugs got through.... good drugs took too long to get through. But the get rid of it all mantra is nothing but knee jerk reactionism.
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teedubbya wrote:
As for toy.... why it was not reported earlier was the fault of Toyota first and formost. If the govt agency knew and didn't report there must either be a reason (usually the way the law is written) or heads should roll.

There is a reason and purpose for govt. It's just expanded to much and needs to shrink. But the everything about govt is bad crowd is silly at times.




$$$$$$$$$$$
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#99 Posted:
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As for food, I'm pretty aware of that process too. It is largely a low resource and a train the trainer system that will often fail. Just get rid of the fda? um ok. but you better replace it with somethin.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
$$$$$$$$$$$


Maybe so but is the solution really to just get rid of such agencies?
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