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I'm actually cool with getting rid of any agency. The govt is bloated. But some of the functions should remain. How they are being done could certainly be much different.

maybe you somehow involve law enforcement or the military. Maybe you don't worry about hte front end and let companies kill folks but become so punitive on the tail end they become hyper vigilent.... etc. I don't have all the answers but some of the functions are pretty damn legitimate. That said they could all stand to be reviewed.

We could off the USPS...privatize it. I'm willing to bet it would turn a profit too!

Sorry, but I happen to believe if you're making a good product...it will sell. You like the product, you buy the product. The manufacturer in turn will provide the product and make enhancements when needed...take Coca-Cola for example...sales in the billions...yet, they made New Coke...what happened? Did the FDA come in and say "NOOOOOOO!!!!"? No. The market did it's job. People voted with their feet. Can you even buy New Coke any more?

The whole mantra Fuzzy is barking about is just noise for the sake of noise.

Massengil killed people and would continue to do so. Ultimately the product would get pulled, but only after they reaped the benefits. Then they could continue. They are a great example because they are still around. Fuzz's nickname comes from their main product.

propoxyphene is another example. It has been around forever and has been a cash cow. It is not a good product and never has been. It basically did more harm than good but made millions (maybe billions).

its nice ot have such faith in corporations. I do not.

Although I may be wrong. Because without the govt coke would be an elixer marketed against massengill and contain cocaine!

I don't. I was referencing DMV. And as I said... fine get rid of the FDA. But please figure out who/what is going to carry out their funcitons..... because while you may take them for granted, I do not.

TW,
You keep saying that Michelle is "encouraging" child nutrition.

She helped develop and push through the Child Nutrition Bill.

Now, you could argue that it's a fairly bipartisan bill and actually does some good. But regardless of the intent or even the results, this is just one more example of big government.
THink about it: Why should the FEDERAL governemtn DICTATE what kids can eat and what the schools should serve?
Why should the federal government be able to BAN food items on a national level?

It's a joke.
And if you think it's a good thing then I feel sorry for you since you obviously live in a town that needs this type of babysitting.

You want your kid to eat healthy? Do what I do and send them with a bag lunch.
A nice sandwich, some seasonal fruit, and (gasp) some cookies or chips. At least until the latter are banned.

Yes.
I said banned.
And if you think this is fear mongering, then you haven't read the bill.



I have paid close attention to this subject matter.
One of my daughters had dietary problems that resulted in her being severly underweight. To the point where it started to cause developmental issues.
For a period of time, the ONLY thing she would eat at lunch was peanut butter and sometimes chips or Doritoes.
As Michelle's pet project to fix the little porkies gains momentum, there are schools all around the nation that are banning any fried food including snack chips. Add this to the local issues concerning peanut allegies and I would be faced with a far worse problem and lots of red tape to fight through. Simply because I want to send my kids to school with a lunch she's eat.

It's pure BS, and it's just one more facet of our lives that uncle sam is trying to control.
CONTROL.
And people like you think "well, it would be nice to curb obesity". But you don't look at the real life big picture.

F*ck the federal government for trying to control our lives.
And F*ck michelle obama for turning a great proactive initiative into expensive legislation.

Appologies to Chewbacca for all the previous wookie comments.

Gotta fly. But to sum it all up:

You guys are all a bunch of poo heads and you are wrong. So there.

Wrong.
It's not "therefore" she's ugly.

It's "AND" she's ugly.

She's ugly. Period. Bad bill or not.
Where'd we lose you?

foolish? no. not really.

the exact quote was:

"And people like you think "well, it would be nice to curb obesity". But you don't look at the real life big picture."

Do I want to curb obesity? Maybe. I don't know....I really never gave it much thought other than when applied directly to myself. I don't really think the govt has a huge roll in it though which would put me contrary to the first lady....which seems to be the point and seems to put me in a different bucket than you are trying to put me. So the fact is people like me really have not thought much about it.

Your real issue is when you say "But you don't look at the real life big picture." That is absolutely nonesense. I look at lots of pictures of fat chicks. REALLY BIG pictures of fat chicks. Sometimes full size posters. I dig them. It turns me on.

Putting the whole statement together you attribute something to me that simply isn't true. Parse it however you want but it isn't.

I thought you were leaving?

Big tease......

We'll if I can't rely on you for moral decisions then I guess Ram deciding my retail decisions is a lost hope too......

At least I'll always have the Thonginator.

Can I vote present??

I quit because I got a complex. they kept telling everyone I was baaaad

I use a Montana smiley stick (mirror duct taped to end of stick) to make sure they enjoy it. Then your golden.

Finally.
Something we can both sink our teeth into.

Literally.

I think we just had an inter-webs "moment".
Did you feel the chill?


Oh. Sorry.
My fly was down.

Old habit when sitting at the computer, I guess.

now that's just sick

no doubt they screw up, you can always find some of those. it will not be the last time. some things do not show up immediately and science is not perfect.... especially combined with human error. but would it really be better if they just didn't do it at all? is that really what you would prefer?

fair enough. so the task is necessary just not in the form it is today. cool. I can live with that.

But somehow you have to set up an independent entity and make sure they remain independent. Easier said than done. Anytime you set up an entity with any sort of size or power you run into corruption etc. That to me is the main problem with government. you can set up another entity and call it something else but in the end it will likely walk like a duck.

government is a great whipping post and they bring it upon themselves...but they are not alone. I have been associated with entities created by their own industry to monitor themselves. They actually formed an independent entity to do so. Usually the motivation was if we don't do it the govt will and we do not want that. So they do the bare minimum to avoid big brother but not enough to really "police" themselves. In reality there are some components that want to do the right thing just to do the right thing or to avoid the scum bags of their industry from soiling their good name etc. But it never works long term. It's a farce.

So the govt may not be the solution as far as food and drug safety but I've not really seen anything better on the table. I would jump at it if there was.

How true.

I just want to point out that Duct Tape is like the Force;
It has a light side, I has a dark side, and it binds the universe together.