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i found this interesting. The guilty party has been in the US since he was 2 years old and did not identify himself as a mexican citizen which means he considers himself american. all american citizens get a fair trial and public defender which is just what he got. So i dont understand if what is good enough for an american citizen is not good enough for a mexican citizen? why dont we have a problem with canadians coming here selling drugs, raping and killing people??






msnbc.com news services

updated 7/8/2011 12:25:08 PM ET

GENEVA— A top United Nations' rights
official said the United States was in breach of
international law over the execution of a 38-
year-old Mexican citizen in Texas.

U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights
Navi Pillay said Friday the Texas execution of
Humberto Garcia Leal "raises particular legal
concerns," including whether he had access to
consular services and a fair trial.

Pillay also cited a 2004 International Court of
Justice ruling saying the U.S. must review and
reconsider the cases of 51 Mexican nationals
sentenced to death, including Leal's — but, she
said, that never happened.

Texas executed Leal Thursday over objections
from President Barack Obama's administration
that the action would violate international
treaty obligations and put U.S. citizens abroad
at risk.

Leal was pronounced dead at 6:21 p.m., 10
minutes after the lethal drugs began flowing
into his arms at a prison in Huntsville, Texas.

Story: Despite US pleas, Texas executes
Mexican killer

Leal was sentenced to death for the 1994
murder of 16-year-old Adria Sauceda, whose
brutalized nude body was found hours after
he left a San Antonio street party with her. She
was bludgeoned with a piece of 30- to 40-
pound chunk of asphalt.

In a last statement, Leal apologized to the
victim's family and asked for their forgiveness.

"I truly am sorry. That is all. Let's get this show
on the road," Leal said. "One more thing: Viva
Mexico, Viva Mexico."

Leal was just a toddler when he and his family
moved to the U.S. from Monterrey, Mexico, but
his citizenship became a key element of his
lawyers' efforts to win a stay. They said police
never told him following his arrest that he
could seek legal assistance from the Mexican
government under an international treaty.

Capital punishment in Mexico was officially
abolished in 2005, having not been used in
civil cases since 1937, and in military cases
since 1961.

'Irreparable breach'
The Obama administration warned that
executing Leal would violate the Vienna
Convention on Consular Relations and leave U.
S. citizens traveling abroad at higher risk of
arrest without cause or denial of diplomatic
representation.
advertisement UN: Texas execution broke international law
Top official: Case 'raises particular legal concerns,' including whether Mexican citizen had access to consul, fair trial
Leal's lawyers said Texas authorities did not
inform him of his right to consult with Mexican
consular authorities and violated the Vienna
Convention, which guarantees foreign
detainees the right to consult with
representatives of their governments when
they are arrested.

In legal briefs filed before the Supreme Court,
the U.S. government had warned that the
execution would create an "irreparable breach"
of international law, and Mexico's government
said it would "seriously jeopardize" cross-
border cooperation on joint ventures and
extraditions.

Mexico strongly condemned the execution,
lodged an official protest with the U.S. State
Department and sent letters to Texas
Governor Rick Perry "underscoring the
importance of fulfilling the international
obligations," according to a press release from
the Mexican Foreign Ministry.
Reuters and The Associated Press contributed
to this report.

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Texas Department of Criminal Justice via AP
Humberto Leal was executed for the rape and murder of 16-year-old Adria Sauceda.

Like Iran?

Good GOD man you kill me with this ****.......Did you see what he was convicted of????Why should he get a break???

These other countries that are going to wipe our azz after we take a dump and then feed us with a golden spoon all while sitting in a lavish cell for committing a capitol crime in their jurisdiction.Name them azzbag....name 1.I can think of several that will behead/disembowell/hang you in public for much lesser offenses.

I say kick the fugging UN out....they're just here because we pay their inflated salaries.Kick them out and cut them off.


Ron

I'm not aware of what treaty might have been in question in that case. What was the issue in question there?

Bryer or Kennedy?

This is awesome!! I love it!!

They never forgot the Alamo.

God bless Texas!

Thats the problem in this country now.....You and your elitest friends want to think for everybody.Now jello for a brain numbnuts bassturd....My point was had this been an American convicted in a foriegn country not one word would have been said.We obviously have too many whining little bi*ches ,such as yourself,in this country that are more concerned about some treaty than justice.If they do not want their criminals executed in Texas....I suggest they instruct them to stay the hell out of our state..........Maybe your neighborhood would be more leniant.Fuzz you're still an idiot.


Ron

Don't get all emotional. Us adults will handle things.

Screw the UN and their holier than thou crap, useless oxygen theifs occupying to much real estate here. We don't need them.
The convicted felon recieved a fair trial, punishment rendered, end of story.

The God and morals crowd advocating ignoring contracts, laws and obligations in the name of American exceptionalism.

Yet individually when people walked away from underwater mortgages (contracts) they were scum.

Brilliant.

it's the daily talking point from Pravda..

OK, it was just an analogy. I was just asking because we don't take too kindly to peasants trying to get out of debt slavery.

Selective?

And show me where I got this from. I haven't heard the analogy before actually and it was my own. Where do you think the contradiction is exactly?

So your criticism about posting beliefs that are not my own was not referring to the post you were responding to?

I have no idea what analogy you are talking about, but if I thought it was irrelevant, then it probably was. Not all analogies are good ones. I don't get the point. I do now understand what you meant by selective though. I can't read your mind you know.

The basis for my beliefs? I'm not sure what you mean by that really. I was raised in a Christian home, my father is a minister (retired), I no longer think a god exists and haven't since age 15, but the principles that Jesus lived by were pretty reasonable, with the exception of anything divine.

That what you're looking for?

That's a good start...

You make statements about letting rationale thinkers reply... and sometimes aren't open to allow it... I already know you don't see how government can kill someone, so of course, you would find many things wrong with this execution. Being in Texas... and having been in past couple years across to a couple of the border towns.. and with the changes to requiring a passport now to go across... I can tell you that it doesn't matter what's done here in the US. in Mexico, you will be treated as they see fit, I have heard many many stories even before these worse times, that depending on areas of travel, you would need to make sure you had money to bribe officials. No, you have to worry about the Federales... the drug runners. It's not safe to travel in Mexico unless you go to the tourist places.. and there, you need to stay there. A lot of money has been loss in the cities by the US border.. so they now are finding other ways. With this person being executed... it will not escalate anything that hasn't already been escalated by means of survival.

It is what it is and hasn't made Americans any less at risk in Mexico or any where else. This is more smoke being blown and deflection from what is wrong with the US... the high unemployment... the wrongful ways that people took advantage of mortgages... the near-sighted views of the country that those in office and business have. Lots of companies are looking to go cheaper... they are not worried about profits, they are worried about the increase of their profits to continually increase year after year and not increase their employees wages, but their own overly filled pockets.

So, if there is any bullshit, then it is what big corporations and the government are focusing on, and the bleeding heart nut jobs that want a socialistic society

Allow it? Anyone can present any argument they want, some are illogical and in the course of the conversation I would think I would be given the courtesy to point that out, just as anyone has and does with what I say, all the time.



While I am against the death penalty as a matter of principle, it has nothing to do with the argument presented. It is the same argument I've made regarding other subjects like, for example, the Iraq war, torture and Gitmo.



Doesn't matter one bit in this case at all. This is the same argument made to justify other violations of international law and treaties that the US has signed. Doesn't matter how much some people in whatever country are, if the country has agreed to abide by a law, it should, period. We can't just disregard it whenever we see fit and expect other countries to abide by the treaties and law. Wouldn't you agree?



The analogy I made with mortages had to do with following contracts and obligations. Conservatives were outraged that individuals in this country were not doing it and called it a moral failure. But when the country or state does it, it is somehow ok?

Not sure how corporations, unemployment and socialist societies fit into this conversation.

I'll take a shot at it.

You spent a few years in college.
You spent a limited number of years in the workforce.
You got forced out of the workforce.
You've spent many years out of the workforce ever since.

This is a different life experience than many here and affects beliefs greatly. I suspect this would have a much greater influence on beliefs than just some religious friction issues with daddy.

you just called him a bum...

wow !

That is not true at all.

Everybody has different life experiences that affect their beliefs differently.

There are differences in pointing it out conversationally and shooting it down as worthless, senseless trash...





I mention it because you are on the track... it doesn't matter..... after awhile.. both sides tend to ignore or forget about a treaty. Sometimes a treaty/law/regulation can become out dated and should be reviewed, updated or abolished. For example, there is a law in Texas, that a bar must have a window up a certain height for an officer on a horse to be able to look into the bars. Now, does this serve much purpose? No! This treaty, if someone commits a crime like this, they will be deported back to their own country, and then what? Nothing? So, lets go to other countries, and commit crimes, and say wait.. dont punish us here.. send us back to the US!

How can you respect the law, when there are things that undermine it? You commit a crime, you break the law.. you get the sentence that the law allows...



In other news.. i once been to the Huntsville Prison Rodeo!

And that has to do with this case how? Which treaties would you be referring to?

Yes....mexican govt lawyers are much smarter.


He deserved that.

You're welcome.

Regards,

Le HockeyDad