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RICKAMAVEN Offline
#1 Posted: Sat, Sep 24 2011, 11:29 AM EST
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i'm against it and your for it. you have your reasons and i have mine.

do you applaud the person in charge of all the executions for doing his job?
wheelrite Offline
#2 Posted: Sat, Sep 24 2011, 11:39 AM EST
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Execution is barbaric...

I oppose it under any circumstance..
DrafterX Offline
#3 Posted: Sat, Sep 24 2011, 11:46 AM EST
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Don't do the crime if you can't do the time...

Whistle Whistle Whistle Whistle
dpnewell Offline
#4 Posted: Sat, Sep 24 2011, 11:53 AM EST
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Not all conservatives are pro-capital punishment. I personally have problems with the taking of any human life, whether it be in the womb, or at the hands of the State.
HockeyDad Offline
#5 Posted: Sat, Sep 24 2011, 12:48 PM EST
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We need capitol punishment.
Nicar Offline
#6 Posted: Sat, Sep 24 2011, 12:54 PM EST
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How the heck do we get population down to 500million if we dont (look up Georgia Guidestones if you're bored)
dpnewell Offline
#7 Posted: Sat, Sep 24 2011, 1:15 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
We need capitol punishment.


Now that I can agree with.
dubleuhb Offline
#8 Posted: Sat, Sep 24 2011, 1:27 PM EST
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I don't have a problem with it, if you have been convicted of a crime that warrants it then so be it.
Charlie Offline
#9 Posted: Sat, Sep 24 2011, 6:10 PM EST
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I am against the method of capitol punishment today............need to use the electric chair again, and let them suffer for the harm they have caused.............ram27bat
jimbud Offline
#10 Posted: Sat, Sep 24 2011, 6:12 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
Execution is barbaric...

I oppose it under any circumstance..


Agree.
ZRX1200 Offline
#11 Posted: Sat, Sep 24 2011, 6:30 PM EST
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"Give me a big tall tree, and a short piece of rope. I'll hang em up high till the sun goes down".

My issue is you do it or you don't. This 20 wait and 20 appeals needs to go.
Gene363 Offline
#12 Posted: Sat, Sep 24 2011, 6:56 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
We need capitol punishment.


Got it, Congress.
dpnewell Offline
#13 Posted: Sat, Sep 24 2011, 6:58 PM EST
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^I was thinking I was the only one to pick up on HD's little word play.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#14 Posted: Sat, Sep 24 2011, 7:41 PM EST
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ZRX1200

the same set of laws that apply to capital punishment, allow for the
appeals.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#15 Posted: Sat, Sep 24 2011, 7:46 PM EST
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Charlie

perhaps they should be executed the same way they killed, rape them and stab them to death.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#16 Posted: Sat, Sep 24 2011, 7:49 PM EST
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dubleuhb

one more point and you would be jewish.
Charlie Offline
#17 Posted: Sat, Sep 24 2011, 8:08 PM EST
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Oye Veh!
HockeyDad Offline
#18 Posted: Sat, Sep 24 2011, 8:25 PM EST
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There is a point scoring system?
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#19 Posted: Sat, Sep 24 2011, 9:26 PM EST
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I don't think capital punishment is a detergent. It is not swift enough.

Is execution worse than rotting in jail for life? Maybe; maybe not. We'd have to ask the executed.
hank56 Offline
#20 Posted: Sat, Sep 24 2011, 9:31 PM EST
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The death penalty has deterred Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy etc. from ever killing again. Guaranteed.
engletl Offline
#21 Posted: Sat, Sep 24 2011, 9:43 PM EST
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Hang em High on the town green as a PPV event.

Half the proceeds go towards the debt the other half to the victims of the crime
donutboy2000 Offline
#22 Posted: Sat, Sep 24 2011, 11:40 PM EST
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When I think of the thousands of inhabitants of Death Rows in the hundreds of prisons in this country...My reaction is: What's taking us so long? Let's get that electrical current flowing. Drop those pellets [of poison gas] now! Whenever I argue this with friends who have opposite views, they say that I don't have enough regard for the most marvelous of miracles - human life. Just the opposite: It's because I have so much regard for human life that I favor capital punishment. Murder is the most terrible crime there is. Anything less than the death penalty is an insult to the victim and society. It says..that we don't value the victim's life enough to punish the killer fully.


Mike Royko
DadZilla3 Offline
#23 Posted: Sun, Sep 25 2011, 6:16 AM EST
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Capital punishment - execution of a handful of duly convicted sociopaths for the crimes they committed - seems infinitely less barbaric to me than our routine killing of a million or so unborn babies every year.

If the possibility of executing an innocent person is a valid argument against capital punishment, where is the argument in support of the unquestioned innocence of the unborn?
pgje51 Offline
#24 Posted: Sun, Sep 25 2011, 8:43 AM EST
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just do it.
fishinguitarman Offline
#25 Posted: Sun, Sep 25 2011, 9:09 AM EST
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DadZilla3 wrote:
Capital punishment - execution of a handful of duly convicted sociopaths for the crimes they committed - seems infinitely less barbaric to me than our routine killing of a million or so unborn babies every year.

If the possibility of executing an innocent person is a valid argument against capital punishment, where is the argument in support of the unquestioned innocence of the unborn?











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TMCTLT Offline
#26 Posted: Sun, Sep 25 2011, 10:18 AM EST
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dubleuhb wrote:
I don't have a problem with it, if you have been convicted of a crime that warrants it then so be it.



+1


rfenst wrote:
I don't think capital punishment is a detergent. It is not swift enough.

Is execution worse than rotting in jail for life? Maybe; maybe not. We'd have to ask the executed.



Agreed it is not swift enough, however they do NOT ROT......there are far too many laws protecting prisoner rights to ever allow them to rot. After all they must receive health care / library access so they can be acutely aware of the different loopholes that will allow them to walk after they commit their next crime so on and so forth. I'm a big fan of the saying.....Don't do the crime if you can't pay the time, and to deal with the whole guilt factor that the prison officials feel possibly after administering the drug or electrical jolt. Mount a button that the Phuckin prisoner pushes him/herself.....that has a built in timer to trip if the prisoner cannot bring themselves to do it!!!!!!

Self service capitol punishment.....I like it
DrMaddVibe Offline
#27 Posted: Sun, Sep 25 2011, 12:35 PM EST
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
ZRX1200

the same set of laws that apply to capital punishment, allow for the
appeals.



That's a given...after that you give state's the rights they're given and fast track it.

If you're sitting on death row for 20 years...F THAT!...you had you day in court.

Hang them...guillotine them...the most cost effective manner...KILL THEM!

ESPECIALLY KIDDIE DIDDLERS!
Whistlebritches Offline
#28 Posted: Sun, Sep 25 2011, 2:12 PM EST
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DadZilla3 wrote:
Capital punishment - execution of a handful of duly convicted sociopaths for the crimes they committed - seems infinitely less barbaric to me than our routine killing of a million or so unborn babies every year.

If the possibility of executing an innocent person is a valid argument against capital punishment, where is the argument in support of the unquestioned innocence of the unborn?



+1...I wish I had said it myself.


Ron
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#29 Posted: Sun, Sep 25 2011, 2:13 PM EST
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Whistlebritches wrote:
+1...I wish I had said it myself.


Ron



Bro..when do YOU come to Tampa again?
HockeyDad Offline
#30 Posted: Sun, Sep 25 2011, 2:18 PM EST
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He can't! He's only got one kidney left!
borndead1 Offline
#31 Posted: Sun, Sep 25 2011, 2:33 PM EST
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I am opposed to the death penalty. Not because I give 2 sh*ts about a murderer's "rights" or "feelings", but because it is too much power for the government to have.

Why should we allow government to do that which is illegal for a citizen to do? Should we not hold the authorities to the same standard that we are held to? It is illegal for me to kill you, but if I do, the government can kill me? WTF?

The death penalty is the ultimate hypocrisy and the ultimate display of big government.
T Z Offline
#32 Posted: Sun, Sep 25 2011, 3:41 PM EST
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Public hangings in the park on Sunday. You could bring your family and have a picnic, watch the criminal scum dance from the rope. It would probably deter alot of crime.
HockeyDad Offline
#33 Posted: Sun, Sep 25 2011, 3:48 PM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
Why should we allow government to do that which is illegal for a citizen to do?


Our government can kill people in every country in the world. Why exempt ourselves?
8trackdisco Offline
#34 Posted: Sun, Sep 25 2011, 4:21 PM EST
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
i'm against it and your for it. you have your reasons and i have mine.

do you applaud the person in charge of all the executions for doing his job?


I applaud everyone that has a job, that does it well (as long as they are working here legally).
8trackdisco Offline
#35 Posted: Sun, Sep 25 2011, 4:27 PM EST
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
Charlie

perhaps they should be executed the same way they killed, rape them and stab them to death.


Ok, deal.
DadZilla3 Offline
#36 Posted: Sun, Sep 25 2011, 5:47 PM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
I am opposed to the death penalty. Not because I give 2 sh*ts about a murderer's "rights" or "feelings", but because it is too much power for the government to have.

Why should we allow government to do that which is illegal for a citizen to do? Should we not hold the authorities to the same standard that we are held to? It is illegal for me to kill you, but if I do, the government can kill me? WTF?

The death penalty is the ultimate hypocrisy and the ultimate display of big government.

I'm under the impression that citizens (civilians) of the US are given the death penalty only as a result of a trial by jury. It is the responsibility of the jury to impartially weigh the evidence presented by the state against the accused and return the verdict. The judge then sentences the accused in accordance to the laws of that jurisdiction. Far as I know, the burden of proof is all on the state.

Also the legal process of administering the death penalty looks to be to be very thorough, and with benefit of safeguards:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_the_United_States#The_legal_process

Now if we wanna talk true pure unrestrained power of Big Gov, we can get into an IRS thread...
TrishS@CigarBid Offline
#37 Posted: Sun, Sep 25 2011, 6:26 PM EST
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Something else to ponder...

What about the victim's families? Each time the convicted killer comes up for parole, they have to relive both the incident and the trial...Will they get out THIS time? Each family member has to write a letter explaining how the incident affected them. There's never a chance for the wound to heal completely.

I happen to have personal experience with it and I can tell you it ain't fun.
wheelrite Offline
#38 Posted: Sun, Sep 25 2011, 6:30 PM EST
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TrishS@CigarBid wrote:
Something else to ponder...

What about the victim's families? Each time the convicted killer comes up for parole, they have to relive both the incident and the trial...Will they get out THIS time? Each family member has to write a letter explaining how the incident affected them. There's never a chance for the wound to heal completely.

I happen to have personal experience with it and I can tell you it ain't fun.


I don't recall seeing anything in the Constitution regarding victims families when it comes to cruel and unusual punishment.

sadly, bad things happen and always will. That does'nt justify executuon .
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#39 Posted: Sun, Sep 25 2011, 7:15 PM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
I am opposed to the death penalty. Not because I give 2 sh*ts about a murderer's "rights" or "feelings", but because it is too much power for the government to have.

Why should we allow government to do that which is illegal for a citizen to do? Should we not hold the authorities to the same standard that we are held to? It is illegal for me to kill you, but if I do, the government can kill me? WTF?

The death penalty is the ultimate hypocrisy and the ultimate display of big government.



Your argument is faulty (illogical). Here is why:

A= Government
B= A Citizen
C= Impose the death penalty


A should not be allowed to do what it is illegal for B to do
B cant do C.
A should not be allowed to do C.


Now, if your argument is logically valid, every argument that uses the same logic (form) must make sense. If any argument using the same logic does not make sense, then your argument has been proven faulty (illogical). So, here goes:

A= Government
B= A Citizens
C= Put a traffic light up at a busy intersection.Stop a hold-up of a liquor store


Government is not allowed to what a citizen can't do.
A Citizen cannot put up a traffic light up at a busy intersection.
Therefore, Government should not be allowed to put up a traffic light up at a busy intersection.


Now, that conclusion sounds preposterous, doesn't it? Of course it does! So, it proves your conclusion/argument that government should not be allowed to execute criminals- is faulty/illogical.

Sorry.
cacman Offline
#40 Posted: Sun, Sep 25 2011, 7:25 PM EST
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Anyone see the movie "Citizen X"?

Abolish death row - 9mm to back of head - send casing and bill to the family.

Done.
rfenst Online
#41 Posted: Sun, Sep 25 2011, 7:40 PM EST
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DadZilla3 wrote:
Now if we wanna talk true pure unrestrained power of Big Gov, we can get into an IRS thread...


A better example is a federal bankruptcy judges here in the U.S. They have the power to break contracts, take property, wipe out debt and a whole bunch more. On top of that, they have the power to enforce their decisions by directly sending the U. S. Marshall to seize property as the bankruptcy judges see fit. That is, BK judges have unfettered power to seize property without prior and independent judicial review. IRS can't do that without a court order. BKY judge doesn't need an independent court order. That's some serious unrestrained power!




Aren't we supposed to be discussing...... capital punishment?
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#42 Posted: Sun, Sep 25 2011, 7:43 PM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
I am opposed to the death penalty. Not because I give 2 sh*ts about a murderer's "rights" or "feelings", but because it is too much power for the government to have.

Why should we allow government to do that which is illegal for a citizen to do? Should we not hold the authorities to the same standard that we are held to? It is illegal for me to kill you, but if I do, the government can kill me? WTF?

The death penalty is the ultimate hypocrisy and the ultimate display of big government.

I understand rfenst saying your logic is faulty, I follow his line of logic, but I agree with you and would simply change your middle paragraph.

My statement would be that I am opposed to murder and do not want to be part of nor authorize one. When the state executes someone, no matter how deserving they may be, no matter how strongly I wish that person dead, I am an unwilling participant by my citizenship/membership in the state.
rfenst Online
#43 Posted: Sun, Sep 25 2011, 8:30 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I understand rfenst saying your logic is faulty, I follow his line of logic, but I agree with you and would simply change your middle paragraph.

My statement would be that I am opposed to murder and do not want to be part of nor authorize one. When the state executes someone, no matter how deserving they may be, no matter how strongly I wish that person dead, I am an unwilling participant by my citizenship/membership in the state.



Now, that makes sense.
But, don't you have some homework to do?








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TMCTLT Offline
#44 Posted: Sun, Sep 25 2011, 10:57 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
I don't recall seeing anything in the Constitution regarding victims families when it comes to cruel and unusual punishment.

sadly, bad things happen and always will. That does'nt justify executuon .



Let it happen to one of yours and get back with us, I too like Trish have personal experience with this and it never goes away.
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#45 Posted: Sun, Sep 25 2011, 11:26 PM EST
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this thread wasn't about the merits or lack of merits of capital punishment or abortion

no one answered my question. should we applaud bush and perry for doing their job, that is killing people for the state.

for the chap that said he applauds any one that does his job. do you applaud your wife when she makes diner.

how about after sex.

doesn't it depend on the job.
rfenst Online
#46 Posted: Sun, Sep 25 2011, 11:40 PM EST
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
i'm against it and your for it. you have your reasons and i have mine.

do you applaud the person in charge of all the executions for doing his job?


I think I am missing the gist of your question. About the only thing I do when someone guilty of a terrible crime is executed is say: "It's about time.".
TMCTLT Offline
#47 Posted: Sun, Sep 25 2011, 11:46 PM EST
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If we could only count on the murderers and other criminals of heinous crimes to have the moral conviction to simply take themselves out we wouldn't have to count on the state or Fed. Gov.to do it!! But since they won't......
Someone's gotta do it for them.......and I'm OK with that
DadZilla3 Offline
#48 Posted: Mon, Sep 26 2011, 3:54 AM EST
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One clear and undeniable advantage of capital punishment is that the rate of repeat offenders is exactly, precisely, and always will be now and forever...ZERO. Zip. Nada. Niente. Rien. Nichts. Hasta la vista, baby.
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#49 Posted: Mon, Sep 26 2011, 1:46 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Your argument is faulty (illogical). Here is why:




So traffic light = murder?

Come on, man. I was making a basic (and admittedly idealistic) point.
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#50 Posted: Mon, Sep 26 2011, 2:36 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
I don't think capital punishment is a detergent.



Neither do I.
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