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Cory Booker: 'Insane' Concealed Weapons Bill Puts Cops At Risk
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DadZilla3 Offline
#1 Posted: Thu, Oct 20 2011, 1:12 AM EST
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WASHINGTON -- Gun control advocates are pressuring Congress to derail a bill that would facilitate what they see as a "race to the bottom" in terms of state-based concealed weapons legislation.

On Wednesday, Newark, N.J. Mayor Cory Booker, a member of the coalition Mayors Against Illegal Guns, released a video calling the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act, which would require states that allow concealed carrying of guns to recognize each other's permits, an "insane" policy that puts civilians and police officers "at risk."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/19/cory-booker-concealed-weapons-legislation_n_1020188.html


The way I see it, visiting in Newark, NJ - or any one of a couple dozen other metropolitan areas in the USA - without a firearm is in itself an act of insanity.
rfenst Offline
#2 Posted: Thu, Oct 20 2011, 5:46 AM EST
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DadZilla3 wrote:
The way I see it, visiting in Newark, NJ - or any one of a couple dozen other metropolitan areas in the USA - without a firearm is in itself an act of insanity.



So, if the proposed Act is passed, then I will be subject to some other state's decision that a particular person is allowed to carry a concealed weapon in my state? That's crap. Either make one single federal law or leave it up to each state.
dpnewell Offline
#3 Posted: Thu, Oct 20 2011, 6:19 AM EST
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Robert,
Currently, Florida honors concealed carry permits issued by 34 other States. Seems strange that a lawyer wouldn’t know that.

Same with my soon to be home state of NC. Many, many states honor the CCW permits of other states. Problem is, if I where to travel back to Jersey to visit my parents, my weapon would be illegal for the 10 minutes I was in Maryland, and would have to be locked away the moment I entered Jersey, the one state in the whole trip where I would really require it.

No different then with driver licenses. What if your Florida driver license was only honored by some of the States? Oh, and before you start complaining that we’re comparing apples to oranges, ask yourself which is more deadly. A upstanding, law abiding citizen, who has passed background checks, training, and licensing to carry a weapon purely for self defense, or a 17 year old kid with a crisp new driver’s license piloting 2,000 lbs. of steel down a Florida highway at 70+ mph?


BTW, here's a map of where you, as a law abiding, licensed Florida permit holder, could legally carry your weapon. The red states are the ones you'd be a criminal in. Below the map is a listing of all the other states that Florida currently honors.

http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/florida.pdf
dpnewell Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, Oct 20 2011, 6:45 AM EST
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Let's not forget that when the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act was passed in '04, allowing LEOs and retired LEOs to carry a concealed firearm in any jurisdiction in the United States, regardless of any state or local law to the contrary, NJ politicians screamed that that would also endanger the lives of NJ citizens and LEOs. Further shows the insanity of the anti-self defense nuts.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#5 Posted: Thu, Oct 20 2011, 7:37 AM EST
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Ok...then NO concealed weapons.

Carry them right out in the open!

Right on your side like the wild wild west.

Bet crimes drop in ALL categories!
FuzzNJ Offline
#6 Posted: Thu, Oct 20 2011, 7:51 AM EST
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dpnewell wrote:
Robert,
Currently, Florida honors cancelled carry permits issued by 34 other States. Seems strange that a lawyer wouldn’t know that.

Same with my soon to be home state of NC. Many, many states honor the CCW permits of other states. Problem is, if I where to travel back to Jersey to visit my parents, my weapon would be illegal for the 10 minutes I was in Maryland, and would have to be locked away the moment I entered Jersey, the one state in the whole trip where I would really require it.

No different then with driver licenses. What if your Florida driver license was only honored by some of the States? Oh, and before you start complaining that we’re comparing apples to oranges, ask yourself which is more deadly. A upstanding, law abiding citizen, who has passed background checks, training, and licensing to carry a weapon purely for self defense, or a 17 year old kid with a crisp new driver’s license piloting 2,000 lbs. of steel down a Florida highway at 70+ mph?


BTW, here's a map of where you, as a law abiding, licensed Florida permit holder, could legally carry your weapon. The red states are the ones you'd be a criminal in. Below the map is a listing of all the other states that Florida currently honors.

http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/florida.pdf


So you aren't a "states rights' guy?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#7 Posted: Thu, Oct 20 2011, 8:03 AM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
So you aren't a "states rights' guy?



Way to completely go off half-cocked!

BANG BANG!


Again.


He succinctly provided Robert a case study. One that your politics was against from the start...OBVIOUSLY! Otherwise you wouldn't have shot off your mouth!
FuzzNJ Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, Oct 20 2011, 8:06 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Way to completely go off half-cocked!

BANG BANG!


Again.


He succinctly provided Robert a case study. One that your politics was against from the start...OBVIOUSLY! Otherwise you wouldn't have shot off your mouth!


Do you ever think before you start typing?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, Oct 20 2011, 8:41 AM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Do you ever think before you start typing?



Awesome...thanks for shooting off your mouth again.

Proving without a doubt to anyone with an IQ higher than someone sleeping on the ground in Zuccotti Park that you have to erupt without actually engaging what little brain power you have!
FuzzNJ Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, Oct 20 2011, 9:00 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Awesome...thanks for shooting off your mouth again.

Proving without a doubt to anyone with an IQ higher than someone sleeping on the ground in Zuccotti Park that you have to erupt without actually engaging what little brain power you have!




So no?
rfenst Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Oct 20 2011, 9:29 AM EST
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dpnewell wrote:
Robert,
Currently, Florida honors cancelled carry permits issued by 34 other States. Seems strange that a lawyer wouldn’t know that.


Not strange at all. I wasn't espousing legal position. Lawyers pretty much really only know the real law in their areas of expertise. We pretty much can look-up anything and act/use it, but that is about it. No human alive could possibly know all the law in any state.
dpnewell Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Oct 20 2011, 4:27 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Not strange at all. I wasn't espousing legal position. Lawyers pretty much really only know the real law in their areas of expertise. We pretty much can look-up anything and act/use it, but that is about it. No human alive could possibly know all the law in any state.


Yes, you are correct, Robert. Hope I didn't come across as insulting, as that was not my intention.
dpnewell Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Oct 20 2011, 4:42 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
So you aren't a "states rights' guy?


For the most part, yes, but when States violate the intent of the Founding Fathers, they've overstepped their rights, and need to be brought back in line.

Our Declaration of Independence states that "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness". States that deny their citizens the right of the means for self defense are infringing on their unalienable right to life and liberty.

Of course we are going to disagree on this, but figured I'd answer your question anyway.
HockeyDad Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Oct 20 2011, 4:44 PM EST
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You lost him at "Creator".
DadZilla3 Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Oct 20 2011, 4:47 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
So, if the proposed Act is passed, then I will be subject to some other state's decision that a particular person is allowed to carry a concealed weapon in my state? That's crap. Either make one single federal law or leave it up to each state.

I get the impression that most critics of the bill haven't put as fine a point on it as you have. For the most part my takeaway is that they don't want anyone to be able to own a hand gun, let alone carry one concealed, let alone a citizen of another state.

Speaking of gun control being a 'state's right' - isn't it ironic that the ability to restrict or ban altogether gun ownership within their jurisdictions is one of the very few 'state's rights' issues that liberals passionately support...
FuzzNJ Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Oct 20 2011, 5:09 PM EST
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DadZilla3 wrote:
I get the impression that most critics of the bill haven't put as fine a point on it as you have. For the most part my takeaway is that they don't want anyone to be able to own a hand gun, let alone carry one concealed, let alone a citizen of another state.

Speaking of gun control being a 'state's right' - isn't it ironic that the ability to restrict or ban altogether gun ownership within their jurisdictions is one of the very few 'state's rights' issues that liberals passionately support...


Personally, I'm not a states rights guy as a matter of strict principle as those on the right claim to be. The argument has been used for several immoral acts like discrimination, taking away the right to vote, get an equal education, end abortion, etc. and because of that I would never use 'states rights' as a reason to support any argument.

But the issue is presented as a rock hard principle by those on the right, yet abandoned quickly when issues like this, abortion and gay marriage to name a few come up, which makes it an unprincipled stance aka hypocrisy.

I admire the job Booker has done, but using the states rights argument here if that is what he is doing, would be something with which I disagree.
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