America's #1 Online Cigar Auction
first, best, biggest!

Last post 12 years ago by Buckwheat. 68 replies replies.
Poll Question : Should Tim Thomas have visited with Obama? (Poll is closed)
Choice Votes Statistics
Yes: team over politics 2 15 %
Yes: As a hockey player he never sees black people 1 7 %
No: it's his own choice 8 61 %
No: the wookie scares him 2 15 %
Total 13 100%

2 Pages12>
Tim Thomas
tailgater Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
Tim Thomas declined the invite to the white house to meet the president.
What say you?
FuzzNJ Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 06-28-2006
Posts: 13,000
Of course It's his own choice, a silly, stupid, un-american one, but his choice nonetheless.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,550
FuzzNJ wrote:
Of course It's his own choice, a silly, stupid, un-american one, but his choice nonetheless.



Perhaps he didn't want Obama to rape him.
DrafterX Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,577
was it for a beer summit..?? Huh
ZRX1200 Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2007
Posts: 60,656
Un-Amercan?

Free association is the definition of American. Of course that's lost on people like you.



This is a modern thing, athletes haven't been visiting presidents for ever. And he's not the first to decline the offer. I remember an athlete refused to visit 43.
tailgater Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
FuzzNJ wrote:
Of course It's his own choice, a silly, stupid, un-american one, but his choice nonetheless.


I think it's rather petty, but in no way is it un-american.

Thomas posted on Facebook that he is not against the current POTUS, but rather is disenchanted with the Federal Government in general, naming both the Republicans and the Democrats as being at fault.

wheelrite Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 11-01-2006
Posts: 50,119
tailgater wrote:
I think it's rather petty, but in no way is it un-american.

Thomas posted on Facebook that he is not against the current POTUS, but rather is disenchanted with the Federal Government in general, naming both the Republicans and the Democrats as being at fault.



I would surely go..

I have always wanted to meet Chewbaca,,,
ZRX1200 Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2007
Posts: 60,656
Maybe Thomas doesn't feel like stopping for hot wings......
bloody spaniard Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 03-14-2003
Posts: 43,802
Hot wings??? Of course not! He's strictly a burger man. Remember his commercials for Wendys?
Gotta hand it to Tomas, he's got the courage of his conviction.
HockeyDad Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 09-20-2000
Posts: 46,187
Boston Douchebaggery Outrage
wheelrite Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 11-01-2006
Posts: 50,119
also,

I have never been invited to an African American's home to eat .Another reason I'd go...
dubleuhb Offline
#12 Posted:
Joined: 03-20-2011
Posts: 11,350
FuzzNJ wrote:
Of course It's his own choice, a silly, stupid, un-american one, but his choice nonetheless.

Yeah, he should have been shackled and dragged in there and forced to be somewhere he didn't want to be, now that is liberty at it's best.
It meant nothing, it was a choice he made. I know you would jump at the chance but some have principles and stand by them.
dubleuhb Offline
#13 Posted:
Joined: 03-20-2011
Posts: 11,350
wheelrite wrote:
I would surely go..

I have always wanted to meet Chewbaca,,,

Then you would get to see if it is the camera that makes her can look that huge.
dubleuhb Offline
#14 Posted:
Joined: 03-20-2011
Posts: 11,350
ZRX1200 wrote:
I remember an athlete refused to visit 43.

Wasn't he a basketball player in college, I think playing for Florida? He was applauded for his courage.
Oh how times they are a changin.
ZRX1200 Offline
#15 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2007
Posts: 60,656
Could have been Noah....can't remember for sure who but I do remember the same thing happening. And yes selective outrage for sure.
FuzzNJ Offline
#16 Posted:
Joined: 06-28-2006
Posts: 13,000
ZRX1200 wrote:
Un-Amercan?

Free association is the definition of American. Of course that's lost on people like you.



This is a modern thing, athletes haven't been visiting presidents for ever. And he's not the first to decline the offer. I remember an athlete refused to visit 43.


Yes, I think it's un-American. First he's abandoning his team. Making a political statement when none is warrented. Obama or any President doesn't ask if the athlete voted for them and making a respectful gesture and keeping with the tradition of honoring sports champions. Besides, it's the conservative position to 'shut up and sing' right? In this case it's shut up and play. I think any athlete whether it's one that refuses to go to the white house no matter who is president is a selfish assh*le. But like I said, he's free to associate with anyone he wants, I never said otherwise. It's just a ****** move.
FuzzNJ Offline
#17 Posted:
Joined: 06-28-2006
Posts: 13,000
tailgater wrote:
I think it's rather petty, but in no way is it un-american.

Thomas posted on Facebook that he is not against the current POTUS, but rather is disenchanted with the Federal Government in general, naming both the Republicans and the Democrats as being at fault.



And he has a tea party sticker on his helmet.

Listen, I remember being told that criticizing the president in a time of war was un-american. I and Time as a citizen can and should be able to say what they want, no problem. Making this statement when the team is receiving an honor would be appropriate if we had a dictator and I would applaud that. Here though we have an elected President who can and will leave office in either 1 or 5 years and he's making a celebration political and dragging his teammates into the controversy. It's boorish and childish.
FuzzNJ Offline
#18 Posted:
Joined: 06-28-2006
Posts: 13,000
wheelrite wrote:
also,

I have never been invited to an African American's home to eat .Another reason I'd go...


Not surprising actually.
FuzzNJ Offline
#19 Posted:
Joined: 06-28-2006
Posts: 13,000
dubleuhb wrote:
Yeah, he should have been shackled and dragged in there and forced to be somewhere he didn't want to be, now that is liberty at it's best.
It meant nothing, it was a choice he made. I know you would jump at the chance but some have principles and stand by them.


Wow, nice shackled strawman you made there.
ZRX1200 Offline
#20 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2007
Posts: 60,656
Obama is a fücking dictator!

Dickhead move? Sure you could say that for sure on respect to the Kenyan king and his teammates.

Un-American? Now that just shows you ignorance.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/scott-janssen/chicago-bears-white-house_b_981851.html
FuzzNJ Offline
#21 Posted:
Joined: 06-28-2006
Posts: 13,000
dubleuhb wrote:
Wasn't he a basketball player in college, I think playing for Florida? He was applauded for his courage.
Oh how times they are a changin.


Really? I don't remember any of that, but you are saying he was applauded like you guys are applauding this guy and of course then you were in agreement with him because it's his choice right?

Find out who it was and get back to us. Then we can compare the reaction.
herfidore Offline
#22 Posted:
Joined: 02-21-2008
Posts: 4,031
Means nothing to me. I don't look to athletes for my political compass anymore than I look to actors. However, I do find the double standard employed by some on these boards amusing
ZRX1200 Offline
#23 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2007
Posts: 60,656
Nobody is applauding him you jack wagon.
FuzzNJ Offline
#24 Posted:
Joined: 06-28-2006
Posts: 13,000
ZRX1200 wrote:
Obama is a fücking dictator!

Dickhead move? Sure you could say that for sure on respect to the Kenyan king and his teammates.

Un-American? Now that just shows you ignorance.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/scott-janssen/chicago-bears-white-house_b_981851.html



Dictator? Allrighty then. You should be removed from all political conversations as you are a non logical, idiot ideologue if you think our elected president is anything close to a dictator. Here's your sign.

God damn that's being a moron, seriously.
tailgater Offline
#25 Posted:
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
FuzzNJ wrote:
Really? I don't remember any of that, but you are saying he was applauded like you guys are applauding this guy and of course then you were in agreement with him because it's his choice right?

Find out who it was and get back to us. Then we can compare the reaction.


You don't remember because you have selective memory.

And nobody is applauding.
Far from it.
We're just discussing your completely off-base cry of Thomas being un-American.

Once again, you miss the point entirely.
Par for the course.
FuzzNJ Offline
#26 Posted:
Joined: 06-28-2006
Posts: 13,000
tailgater wrote:
You don't remember because you have selective memory.

And nobody is applauding.
Far from it.
We're just discussing your completely off-base cry of Thomas being un-American.

Once again, you miss the point entirely.
Par for the course.


No, I honestly don't remember. I have a really good memory for this kind of stuff too, this one escapes me. Let me know who it was and I can refresh my memory.

I understand your point, I just disagree with it. That happens in life, get used to it.
FuzzNJ Offline
#27 Posted:
Joined: 06-28-2006
Posts: 13,000
We must all celebrate that Thomas, born in Flint, Mich., nearly 38 years ago, has the right to say all of that and more, and we’ve grown accustomed to hearing near-identical dogma from the right wing/conservative/Tea Party end of our political spectrum for the last 2-3 years. He is a free man, living in a free country, and he can sing that blatherall from his hotel room, his crease, and the corner of Causeway and Staniford if he so chooses.

As a country, we’re not yet so deep in the handbasket that any of us has been denied that right. Thankfully.

But yesterday was not about politics and government until Thomas made it about politics and government. The day, long set on the calendar, was a day when the Boston Bruins were asked to visit Pennsylvania Avenue to celebrate what they did as a team last season. It was their day in the national spotlight, until Thomas didn’t show, and then the focal point became, much the way it would be in a hockey game, on the guy who was no longer standing in goal.

Shabby. Immature. Unprofessional. Self-centered. Bush league. Need I go on? All that and more applies to what Thomas did, on a day when Cup teammates Mark Recchi (now retired), Shane Hnidy (a radio guy these days in Winnipeg), and Tomas Kaberle (a member of some Original Six team in Canada), all gladly joined the red-white-blue-black-and-gold hugfest at the White House.

Thomas needed to be there in solidarity, and celebration, with his team. It was the same government yesterday, and will be today, that protected his country, his security, his family, and his right to make $5 million a year, all last season. In his absence, he stole his teammates’ spotlight. Win as a team. Lose as a team. And when asked to stand up and take a bow, then stand up there and suffer if need be, even if you don’t like the setting, the host, or any of the political trappings and tenets that come with it.

Team guys don’t opt out of team meetings or celebrations. Tyler Seguin goofed up earlier this season, missed a team breakfast and X-and-O session in Winnipeg, and found himself sitting in the press box that night. The importance of being on time, being present, was made clear to the 19-year-old winger. There’s no way for coach Claude Julien or GM Peter Chiarelli to do it, but their 37-year-old goalie is in need of the same kind of reminder.

Not a lot has changed in the US over the last two years, although it appears the economic picture is brightening at least a little bit, despite those in charge of our various governmental nuthouses. Unemployment has eased some and the Dow Jones industrial average has improved considerably. Politically, our nation is a mess, but the material Property of the People at least seems to be getting better. Not every house in the Lower 48 is up for short sale.

If Thomas is feeling the way he is today, it could not have happened overnight. He must have felt much the same just shy of 24 months ago when he sounded so proud to wear that Team USA sweater at the 2010 Olympics, and so proudly dipped his head to accept that silver medal. Or was he doing all of that under governmental duress, the pain of knowing our leaders were acting, as he wrote yesterday, “in direct opposition of the Constitution and the Founding Fathers’ vision of the Federal government.’’

Someone so disgusted with our government ought to turn in the sweater and the medal. It must be a horrible burden, if not a pox, to have them in his house.

Thomas didn’t need to issue a written statement yesterday, not when he could have made one by showing up at the White House and quietly picking his moment to utter a few simple words of disappointment to President Obama.

How easy, how far more courageous and honorable, it would have been to say, “Hi, I’m Tim Thomas, and I appreciate the fact my team was invited here today. I don’t like what’s going on in this country. I’m not the least bit impressed with your leadership. But I am proud of what we did, I’m proud to be an American, proud to be a Boston Bruin, and I’d like to see everyone in the government do a better job of adhering to the Constitution. Oh, and I’ve got a question for you about power plays . . . ’’

There isn’t a lot of that kind of honesty or directness in our country anymore. Rather than walk up to people in charge, most of whom don’t make themselves available anyway, we settle for silly ways to convey our point. We e-mail. We tweet. We drop a dime to a local newspaper reporter. We talk to the fifth in command, who we hope has the brass to talk to the fourth in command, who . . . well, it just seems we rarely get the chance to say what we really want to say, and say it directly to someone who counts.

Tim Thomas yesterday had a chance to tell the leader of the free world what he thinks it means to be an American today. Not just any American, mind you, but an Olympian, a multimillionaire, a hero in the city where he works, and a member of a championship team that has been a source of joy (and sorrow, too) to millions of Bostonians for nearly a century.

Instead, Thomas took his pads and blocker to another end of town and issued his statement. He could have talked to the president. Instead, he mailed one in from the pizza stand. I think he missed his chance. I think he missed the point of the day. I think he mistreated teammates.

And if I’m right, I think in the days ahead he’ll hear a voice of America representative of a people, many who are equally fed up with government today, who believe he simply should have showed up for his team, respectfully said what he had to say, and gone back to living a pretty good life. In America.

http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/bruins/articles/2012/01/24/thomass_absence_left_bruins_shorthanded/
HockeyDad Offline
#28 Posted:
Joined: 09-20-2000
Posts: 46,187
FuzzRage!
dubleuhb Offline
#29 Posted:
Joined: 03-20-2011
Posts: 11,350
Sounds like envy on parade for the poor sportswriter. It is articles like this that keep it in the forefront, making something out of nothing.
FuzzNJ Offline
#30 Posted:
Joined: 06-28-2006
Posts: 13,000
HockeyDad wrote:
FuzzRage!


As stale as Steve Martin's 'Exccuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse ME!'

You have ocd?
FuzzNJ Offline
#31 Posted:
Joined: 06-28-2006
Posts: 13,000
dubleuhb wrote:
Sounds like envy on parade for the poor sportswriter. It is articles like this that keep it in the forefront, making something out of nothing.


lmao, yes, the sports writers are making it an issue, they started it. Why didn't I see that all along? If no one knew about what he was doing, no problem. It's not like he released a statement to the press or anything.

/rolls eyes

The stupid things you have to think when you are conservative, I swear.
HockeyDad Offline
#32 Posted:
Joined: 09-20-2000
Posts: 46,187
FuzzNJ wrote:

You have ocd?


Maybe....You have a bad day? Too much month and not enough meds?
FuzzNJ Offline
#33 Posted:
Joined: 06-28-2006
Posts: 13,000
HockeyDad wrote:
Maybe....You have a bad day? Too much month and not enough meds?


No. You?

Thanks for caring. Call me and we can both talk about our days, who annoyed us, what we wore, who is the hottest at the office, you know, girl talk.
HockeyDad Offline
#34 Posted:
Joined: 09-20-2000
Posts: 46,187
FuzzNJ wrote:
No. You?

Thanks for caring. Call me and we can both talk about our days, who annoyed us, what we wore, who is the hottest at the office, you know, girl talk.




You got an office?
jackconrad Offline
#35 Posted:
Joined: 06-09-2003
Posts: 67,461
Who here gives a Flying Puck !
Rclay Offline
#36 Posted:
Joined: 10-30-2006
Posts: 1,813
It is fine for him to decline. If it were a righty in office it would be patriotic to protest, poop on squad cars, decline invites, State officials can runaway when legislation does not go their way.


There has been only once that I felt bad for Obama and that He had been insulted. When David Cross snorted coke at the same table as the president and bragged about it. That was upsetting to me.
HockeyDad Offline
#37 Posted:
Joined: 09-20-2000
Posts: 46,187
...plus he didn't share it with B.


Good way to get on the Obama Death List.
FuzzNJ Offline
#38 Posted:
Joined: 06-28-2006
Posts: 13,000
Rclay wrote:
It is fine for him to decline. If it were a righty in office it would be patriotic to protest, poop on squad cars, decline invites, State officials can runaway when legislation does not go their way.


There has been only once that I felt bad for Obama and that He had been insulted. When David Cross snorted coke at the same table as the president and bragged about it. That was upsetting to me.


awwww, life is so unfair for you and conservatives huh? When are white christian conservatives gonna get a break?!

You're cute when you make stuff up and act like it's so unfair and especially when you bring up a comedian and what he does to try to assign some kind of guilt to your political enemies. I heard Hannity gets a boner when he get's close to George Bush, that's upsetting to me. Get me my fainting couch.
fiddler898 Offline
#39 Posted:
Joined: 06-15-2009
Posts: 3,782
Who cares what Thomas did? He's a hockey player. He may put his head to good use, but it's not for thinking.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#40 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,550
ZRX1200 wrote:
Nobody is applauding him you jack wagon.



Maybe Fuzz's kids or wife made that comment. You KNOW how they get when he gets all whipped into a froth!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#41 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,550
FuzzNJ wrote:
awwww, life is so unfair for you and conservatives huh? When are white christian conservatives gonna get a break?!

You're cute when you make stuff up and act like it's so unfair and especially when you bring up a comedian and what he does to try to assign some kind of guilt to your political enemies. I heard Hannity gets a boner when he get's close to George Bush, that's upsetting to me. Get me my fainting couch.



Were you raped by a priest or something?

Your bender against organized religion today is borderline delusional.

Get some help and STFU!
FuzzNJ Offline
#42 Posted:
Joined: 06-28-2006
Posts: 13,000
fiddler898 wrote:
Who cares what Thomas did?


Tail for one. He posted it here and thought he was cool for sticking it to Obama.
FuzzNJ Offline
#43 Posted:
Joined: 06-28-2006
Posts: 13,000
DrMaddVibe wrote:
Were you raped by a priest or something?

Your bender against organized religion today is borderline delusional.

Get some help and STFU!


Were you raped by a hippie or something?

Your bender against anything to the left of Hitler is borderline delusional.

Get some help and STFU!
TonyLucano Offline
#44 Posted:
Joined: 07-09-2011
Posts: 33
FuzzNJ wrote:
Of course It's his own choice, a silly, stupid, un-american one, but his choice nonetheless.



Was it un-american for Obama to not invite Delonte West when the Mav's were there 2 weeks ago?
FuzzNJ Offline
#45 Posted:
Joined: 06-28-2006
Posts: 13,000
TonyLucano wrote:
Was it un-american for Obama to not invite Delonte West when the Mav's were there 2 weeks ago?


Where the hell do you get this sh*t? The secret service didn't clear him because of a failed background check. Obama had nothing to do with it.
TonyLucano Offline
#46 Posted:
Joined: 07-09-2011
Posts: 33
FuzzNJ wrote:
Where the hell do you get this sh*t? The secret service didn't clear him because of a failed background check. Obama had nothing to do with it.



So the secret service can't handle a 6 foot tall, 170lb 1/2 breed?
fiddler898 Offline
#47 Posted:
Joined: 06-15-2009
Posts: 3,782
DMV: STFU? (You too Fuzz). Come on, a lot of us read these boards to get to know each other and see what folks are thinking. When you make a statement like that you're basically saying we don't need to take you seriously any more. And so we don't.
TonyLucano Offline
#48 Posted:
Joined: 07-09-2011
Posts: 33
31 Frogs, a Czech, a Kraut & a Finn go into the White House and they all say:


FUZZ YOU'RE A DOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!!!!!!


FuzzNJ Offline
#49 Posted:
Joined: 06-28-2006
Posts: 13,000
TonyLucano wrote:
So the secret service can't handle a 6 foot tall, 170lb 1/2 breed?


racist, stupid, childish and gullible. You're the whole package. Unfortunately the IQ on this board is dangerously low right now and you are only bringing down the average.
tailgater Offline
#50 Posted:
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
Fuzz,
The very well known GM of the Boston Red Sox declined the White House offer when Dubya was in office.

Do you remember that?

No?
Oh yeah. Because no one said he was immature or self centered or UN-American.

Because, you know.
It was George Bush.


Users browsing this topic
Guest
2 Pages12>