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I disagree, rfenst. Don't be so dramatic, my friend. They are passionate. That's all.
Despite agreeing/disagreeing (and ignoring- lol) with bits and pieces, I've also learned from both.

Ultimately, I see Iran as a theocratic caliphate intent on war & martyrdom. Middle eastern media is full of anti-West rhetoric with an almost sentimental yearning for the return of the Mahdi. And I also see elements of our industrial complex, their political allies, and investors yearning for a war at the expense of our children so that they can line their pockets.

Good thought provoking post...BUT they were in on the whole Hitler plan!


http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/


http://christianactionforisrael.org/antiholo/arabnazi.html

I fully support Israel attacking Iran and I still can't make people happy!

If hoping and praying that there won't be war for many, many reasons, despite it appearing virtually inevitable (absent divine intervention), is "dramatic", then I certainly am.

Meh..he shudda hedged his wins with a short position that losing mighta been a slight possibility!

Glass half-full!!!

HELL YEAH!

(See rfenst, that's how it's done!)

Disclaimer: Le HockeyDad has placed absolutely no bets on the upcoming war yet. Timing is everything.

If war were a divine intervention, then there simply would be no need for war.

I am of the opinion that man almost always lives with free will and that divine intervention, known as a miracle, for better or worse is a very, very rare-event and not to be counted on.

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-says-risky-attack-iran-wants-diplomatic-fix-002001512.html

See, he cudda done something about this back in the spring of 2009...he didn't because he's not an effectual leader!

Our fuel prices have shot up and will continue to because of Iran's insistence of closing or controlling the St. of Hormuz already.

We might act as an air controller for them...but the rest of the world won't know it! For that very same reason Russia and China will aid and line their pockets with their weaponry too. It's faulty and shaky at best but we won't sell them our stuff!

Obama could give the attack order today but........WWRPD?

(What Would Ron Paul Do)

TW has a wide stance.... or so I've heard anyway...

For every investment argument, there is a counter argument.

We've all pretty much reached the conclusion that Israel will attack Iran soon and we all support it.......but.....

Maybe we're all wrong and an Israeli attack isn't so likely...



Does Iran have deliverable nuclear weapons now? No.

If Israel attacks Iran now does that mean Iran would never get nuclear weapons? No, it would postpone that outcome for at most a year or two.

If Israel attacks Iranian nuclear installations would that ensure future peace between the two countries? No.

Would it make it less likely that the Tehran regime uses such weapons to strike at Israel in future? No. It would have the exact opposite effect. It would ensure direct warfare between the two countries and might make Iran’s use of nuclear weapons against Israel in the future a certainty.

Would an attack by Israel be likely to succeed in doing maximum damage? No.


While considering your investment options, here is some light reading.

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/

...and some nice music...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVzt7S6CGWs&feature=related

"Calling Israel a danger to Islam, the conservative website Alef, with ties to Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said the opportunity must not be lost to remove 'this corrupting material. It is a ‘jurisprudential justification' to kill all the Jews and annihilate Israel, and in that, the Islamic government of Iran must take the helm.' ”


http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/

It is an outrage. Israel should attack. (Of course this rhetoric has been going on for about 30 years. Israel has been screaming about Iranian nukes for over 20 years but, now it is different.)

That Colin Powell sold off really well...don't take my word for it though...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt5RZ6ukbNc

Part 1 of 5...be sure to watch the other 4 too.

I realize I just used some undefined buzz words that perhaps need some clarification. When investing around warfare it is important to understand the buzzwords so you can properly assess the timetable for war and thus the timetable for entering and exiting investments.

Immunity Zone: This is a relatively new buzzword that is used to describe the point where the Iranian nuclear program is so spread out and hardened that military strikes would be of no value. Once entering the Immunity Zone, Iran could then begin to develop a nuclear weapon if they chose to do so. The current war plan being floated is to attack Iran before the enter the Immunity Zone which is before they start developing a nuclear weapon, not before they finish a nuclear weapon. Nobody knows when the Immunity Zone date starts.

Existential Threat: Something that threatens the very existence of Israel. This term is used daily by right wing Israeli politicians and has been used to describe an Arab with a butter knife, a flock of seagulls pooping on a Mercedes parked at the beach, the Iranian nuclear program, and anything in between.



Next we need to tackle some war terms that help ease the whole conscience thing with death and destruction being a byproduct of war. If you're going to invest for war or chimp scream for war even while praying for peace, you gotta toughen up a bit. Heck, Topper can't even post on the politics board anymore just from reading this thread and that kind of behavior is way too soft.

Collateral Damage: This is what happens when your weapons miss their target and kill civilians and non-military property. The neat thing about the term it is is used both for dead people and blown up buildings so it equates a mother holding her child that has been blown in half with an outhouse that got blown up. Remember, we are trying to take the whole human factor/guilt out of this. If you see the pictures of the child blown in half and then start feeling guilty that you own stock in Boeing that made the bomb that did it, you lose your ability to invest clearly.

Purposeful Disregard for Civilian Life, a Violation of the Geneva Convention, and Terrorism: This is the term for when your enemy's weapons miss their target and kill civilians and non-military property.

Casualty: Dead people. Casualty sounds much better, agreed? It sounds more like someone is just strolling along with their hands in their pockets while wearing a new pair of Dockers.

Acceptable Losses: Cars use oil, Cars lose hubcaps, sometimes you drop a $5 bill, insurance deductibles......all acceptable losses. OK, here acceptable losses are how many dead people(military or civilian) we can have before the chances of having a parade afterwards turn into a better chance that there will be board of inquiries, indictments, and forced retirements.

Think they'd want too?

They could have like this whole vacation resort once they clean up all the empty shells...but they're used to that!

First of all, the Saudis are ****ting bricks thinking about the people's Spring headed their way & will promise the (crescent ) moon for protection. In the meantime, they fund West- hating madras which produced the Twin Tower sabouteurs and the Bushes will continue to literally walk hand in hand with Saudi royalty whispering words of unrequited love into their hairy ears.

Secondly, the EU will cut away Greece, Ireland, & Portugal (unfortunately nothing but deadweight anyway) & infuse large amounts of aid into Spain & Italy because they still have large industrial infrastructures. Britain, the Netherlands and a few other anemic northern European countries are also on death watch. Keep in mind that Europe has more gold than the USA... thus, our perfect storm will be larger.

Thirdly, Vieques don't want no stinkin' jews nor any other immigrants. Had family that owned vast stretches of that once tropical paradise only to have the gringos buy it up pennies on the dollar & then use it for target practice. The indigenous population was happy to see the Americans stick it to the Spanish hacienda-owning "man".

Tapping foot & waiting impatiently for other shoe to fall on Iran.

You gotta love it when we rest our economic impact hopes on a Saudi prince who is a major shareholder in FoxNews and the largest shareholder of Citigroup! Notice how he sneaked the part in about Israel should also give up their nuclear weapons. Sounds like a fair deal.....Israel gives up its nukes and Iran gives up their nuke ambitions. We shall await the Israeli lobby response!

Meanwhile oil has ranged from $76 to $114 over the past 12 months.

I cannot support any relocation of Israelis to Vieques.

1. This is really only Israel's second attempt at an independent country in thousands of years and we need to give them a chance to make it work.

2. All Puerto Ricans carry knives and are hot tempered so I think the mix would be dangerous.

I inadvertently erased my previous post... but to encapsulate:

Thanks, HD.

Since I don't read the daily rags & national "unbiased news" (laughable) magazines any more, I rely on a mix of Fox, CNN, Al Jazeera, Russian channel (273 ?), Piers Morgan, and a few botl like you to provide me with the latest & greatest.

Wanna see a good movie?

"Lebanon"

http://www.amazon.com/Lebanon-Reymond-Amsalem/dp/B003Y5H5II/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1328629931&sr=8-1

Trailer at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMRD3z_mTqI

It is about an Israeli tank crew in the 1982 invasion of Lebanon.

This is an Israeli-made movie, not Hollywood so it is a bit more edgy. People who chimp scream for war or invest for war need to be able to watch movies like this. It helps develop the hardened shell necessary.

Saw it last year. It was a bit slow & EXTREMELY depressing.
Hard to believe that the common Israeli enlisted man challenges his commanding officers like that...

I'd like to see you go weeks without bathing/shaving with a rotting corpse in your passenger seat and urine backwash on your floorboards...
oh wait, you do.