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Ron Paul is a Phoney and a Crook,,,
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A Ron Paul Finance Scandal?

By John Tabin on 2.21.12 @ 12:50AM


Roll Call's Jonathan Strong reports that Ron Paul's office has a history of billing both US taxpayers and outside groups for the same flights -- and that he's been confronted about it:


In March 2005, David James called Rep. Ron Paul's (R-Texas) Congressional office for some documentation.

James's nonprofit group, the Liberty Committee, had paid for one of Paul's flights, and James needed a receipt or boarding pass to document the expense. He'd been pushing Paul for the paperwork and now, on the phone, he was "putting his foot down."

"So I called the office manager," James recalled. "They knew me, like, as well as they knew Ron. And I said, ‘Liberty Committee is paying for this expense. I need to get the boarding pass or the ticket or something.'"

The office manager said Paul's Congressional office no longer had documentation for that flight; Paul had sent it in to the House Finance Office for reimbursement. But Liberty Committee had already sent a check to American Express to cover the charge on Paul's credit card...

In a subsequent conversation, James raised the issue, and Paul "was very curt, and he simply said, ‘Yep, well, happens all the time,'" James, 64, told Roll Call.

Liberty Committee was reimbursed for that particular flight, but it wasn't an isolated incident:


James' recollection and new documents obtained by Roll Call suggest Paul was aware that he was often being reimbursed twice for individual flights. In all, Roll Call found 26 flights in which several layers of documentation show double payments: credit card statements that detail the ticket purchases, a payment to Paul from his taxpayer-funded House account for reimbursement of a flight and Federal Election Commission records or copies of checks that verify a second payment from a separate group for the same flight.

Roll Call obtained copies of checks from the Liberty Committee to American Express that paid for Paul's expenses. The records obtained by Roll Call cover about 17 nonconsecutive months. Beyond the 26 flights, documents show an additional 31 flights where it appears Paul was double-reimbursed .

David James wants Liberty Committee's money back, and is really angry about the whole thing:


On Feb. 15, James sent a fax to Paul's Clute office citing Roll Call's reporting and asking for about $10,000 in reimbursement for nearly 20 double-billed trips.

"It makes me damned angry that he would have taken the Liberty Committee, which was designed to work to pass liberty-oriented legislation and withstand any scrutiny and have contaminated it from the very beginning," James said.

"It never in a million years occurred to me that this man would be capable of what we can now see. So when there's mass hysteria and disbelief when this is published, I am not surprised. I was right with them."

Paul spokesman Jesse Benton tells Strong that anything untoward can be chalked up to "wholly inadvertent errors," and Paul's comment to James that this "happens all the time," while flippant, isn't exactly wrong; congressmen often mix up the expenses from their campaigns, PACs, and other affiliated financial entities with their office expenses. But when it happens, it's proper to reimburse the right entities so that the books come out clean, and not doing so can be a fairly serious crime. Paul's office had better clear up this and similar financial issues as soon as possible. Paul's reputation as a credible chamipion of the taxpayers will be hard to preserve if he's embezzled money from them, inadvertently or not.



Another scumbag Politician,,,


wheel,
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two bit small dollah OUTRAGE!
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10k.



Seriously?



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ZRX1200 wrote:
10k.



Seriously?





Tip of the Ice Berg...

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Wheel has more fluid than Jeff Beck and Punky Meadows put together.
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If its true, then why the question mark at the end of the title? It's an article about a guy claiming something so that later people will think Ron Paul is dirty due to source amnesia, regardless of what is found later. I'm not a fan of this kind of journalism.
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Let's not forget the hundreds of thousands of dollars he refunds the treasury each year in unspent monies, along with refusing what he thinks is government waste (such as his pension). Is this really the best scandal they can come up with for him?
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z6joker9 wrote:
If its true, then why the question mark at the end of the title? It's an article about a guy claiming something so that later people will think Ron Paul is dirty due to source amnesia, regardless of what is found later. I'm not a fan of this kind of journalism.


what kind of Journalism is this ?

RP admitted it and refunded the donor the $$$.

I believe it's called embezzlement ?

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^that it's a financial scandal vs a simple mistake that would have been corrected when they balanced their books. They use sensationalistic journalism to implant negativity into the subconscious. They do it all the time, and I disagree with it regardless of which politician they do it to.
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z6joker9 wrote:
^that it's a financial scandal vs a simple mistake that would have been corrected when they balanced their books. They use sensationalistic journalism to implant negativity into the subconscious. They do it all the time, and I disagree with it regardless of which politician they do it to.


um..

it went on for YEARS...
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None of this would have happened if we got rid of the fed. reserve, went to the gold standard and became isolationists. He is merely trying to make a point.
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teedubbya wrote:
None of this would have happened if we got rid of the fed. reserve, went to the gold standard and became isolationists. He is merely trying to make a point.


I bet he's buying Pot with his ill gotten loot...
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wheelrite wrote:
I bet he's buying Pot with his ill gotten loot...


It is a gateway drug.
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The tone implies it was done with the intent to pocket the extra. Based on everything I mentioned before, that seems exceptionally unlikely.
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z6joker9 wrote:
The tone implies it was done with the intent to pocket the extra. Based on everything I mentioned before, that seems exceptionally unlikely.


How do you know that ?

He's a scumbag politician like all the rest...
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At this point it is interesting if nothing else. Have to see how it unfolds.

It could be true, if it is he has committed idealogical/professional suicide for small time money.

As you know smear campaigns happen routinely with this crop of leftists around today.

Just like there is industrial espionage, there is certainly political espionage.

I am no Paul defender, but considering he would be a nightmare for the establishment and all of the other candidates are self-destructing, this is a good time for him to have a career ending scandal, don't you think?



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And you thought he was any different than every other career politician???
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It'll be fun to see The Kool Ade drinkers explain this away if it's true.
And it obviously is.RP admitted as much,,,
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His office refunds several times the amount in question every year, and he's even gone so far as to refuse a pension in spite of >20 years of service. It would seem unlikely that he was skimming based on this.
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Mo. Wheel here likes to rile up Paul supporters and will bring up anything no matter how unsubstantiated. Don't look into it too much as his Paul bashing threads are always BS.

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engletl wrote:
And you thought he was any different than every other career politician???




Me? or someone else?

While I like some of the ideas he has, I don't agree with all of the Purist Libertarian views.

I am guessing you mean someone else because you won't find any post with dyed-in-the-wool statements from me.
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Ah, that explains it. I'll try not to feed the troll next time.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Mo. Wheel here likes to rile up Paul supporters and will bring up anything no matter how unsubstantiated. Don't look into it too much as his Paul bashing threads are always BS.



um,,

he admitted it...

It'll be neat if he has to answer questions about it during tonight's debate...

Lemon Kool Ade OUTRAGE !!
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Wheel isn't a troll.....he's just trying to entertain his audience.

Wheel he admitted there was a mistake and paid for it. You really think if everything that was halfazz reported here was even true that it wouldn't be offset by the benefits he refuses every year?

You know half your RP attacks make me laugh, the other half make me question my high regard for your iq.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Wheel isn't a troll.....he's just trying to entertain his audience.

Wheel he admitted there was a mistake and paid for it. You really think if everything that was halfazz reported here was even true that it wouldn't be offset by the benefits he refuses every year?

You know half your RP attacks make me laugh, the other half make me question my high regard for your iq.


Jamie,,,
with all due respect...

You make me chuckle,,,

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Leftists. Lol. Nice open mind. Ten bucks says this comes from the right. At least I hope so. The right has always been better at dirty tricks and smear. That's why I like them.

The boogeyman abounds. Look to the left. Hammer. Nail.
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If true the whole we'll square up later excuse doesn't hold water.
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Just smacks of lazyness or sloppyness to me
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Better?

What happened with the sealed records of Obummers opponents in his senate race???

They're both capable of mud slinging, R's just are better cannibals.
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Rclay wrote:
Me? or someone else?

While I like some of the ideas he has, I don't agree with all of the Purist Libertarian views.

I am guessing you mean someone else because you won't find any post with dyed-in-the-wool statements from me.


not directly...was intended as a statement to anyone reading through the thread thinking ANY career politician is without under the table crooked ways
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Wheel isn't a troll.....he's just trying to entertain his audience.

Wheel he admitted there was a mistake and paid for it. You really think if everything that was halfazz reported here was even true that it wouldn't be offset by the benefits he refuses every year?

You know half your RP attacks make me laugh, the other half make me question my high regard for your iq.


true...wheel is more in the height range of a Gnome Whistle
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teedubbya wrote:
Leftists. Lol. Nice open mind. Ten bucks says this comes from the right. At least I hope so. The right has always been better at dirty tricks and smear. That's why I like them.

The boogeyman abounds. Look to the left. Hammer. Nail.



Could be from the right. I see little difference between the left and establishment Republicans. They are all after the same thing.

Your "right has always been better at dirty tricks and smear" statement is comical. You should do stand-up.

The republican party can barely defend their views on a good day. Every other time they are pandering to the left just hoping someone will like them.
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ZRX it's not exclusive but the right has always been better at it and most everything else. If you are going to do something be the best. Are you suggesting both sides are playing the same game but the left is better? I think not.

Republican dirty tricks is an old term. I think it's a badge of honor. Tell the other side eff you. What of it?
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Oh the right is plenty capable, they usually pick the wrong target though or poorly execute it.


As of late anyways.
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If you consider it bad I can understand not wanting to be the best at it. Once you accept it is the game you should want to win.

Come on. Get real. The republicans have always been better at the cloak and dagger smear ****. It is a good thing in my opinion.
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Lee Atwater is one of my heros and one of the best.
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Y'all need to get out more.
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teedubbya wrote:
If you consider it bad I can understand not wanting to be the best at it. Once you accept it is the game you should want to win.

Come on. Get real. The republicans have always been better at the cloak and dagger smear ****. It is a good thing in my opinion.



I would love to hear some examples. Just bullet point it if you can.
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Colson
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Atwater.
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Good lord you are serious?
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The beauty is if done right it is not attributable.
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teedubbya wrote:
If you consider it bad I can understand not wanting to be the best at it. Once you accept it is the game you should want to win.

Come on. Get real. The republicans have always been better at the cloak and dagger smear ****. It is a good thing in my opinion.



I miss the good ole days of smear politics before we had the internets.
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Unrelated I thought Iran-contra showed spunk and love Reagan and crew for it.

Howard baker is another of my heros. I'm being serious. Not sarcastic. Their ability to manipulate and smear is admirable. Once you understand that is how the game is played you should admire those that do it well.
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I dont believe the Clinton's killed people. I don't believe Obama false irked his birth cert and is a planted Muslim spy. But I admire the hell out of the skill it took to get folks to believe that.
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Willie Horton was masterful. Beautiful.
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The south Carolina McCain love child campaign was beautiful. (doesn't have to be against the other party)..... This one isn't.
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Take a breath TW,,,
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This is top of the head. No interest in researching anything other than memory at this point.

If you think the right isn't good at this (better than the left. They suck) me thinks you are wrong.

I admire our skill at this.
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No breath here. This is what I live. I'm competitive. The right for a win!
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