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jetblasted Offline
#1 Posted:
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Sandra Fluke is being sold by the left as something she's not. Namely a random co-ed from Georgetown law who found herself mixed up in the latest front of the culture war who was simply looking to make sure needy women had access to birth control. That, of course, is not the case.

As many have already uncovered Sandra Fluke she is, in reality, a 30 year old long time liberal activist who enrolled at Georgetown with the express purpose of fighting for the school to pay for students' birth control. She has been pushing for mandated coverage of contraceptives at Georgetown for at least three years according to the Washington Post.

However, as I discovered today, birth control is not all that Ms. Fluke believes private health insurance must cover. She also, apparently, believes that it is discrimination deserving of legal action if "gender reassignment" surgeries are not covered by employer provided health insurance. She makes these views clear in an article she co-edited with Karen Hu in the Georgetown Journal of Gender and the Law.

The title of the article, is Employment Discrimination Against LGBTQ Persons and was published in the Journal's 2011 Annual Review. I have posted a transcript of the section I will be quoting from here. In a subsection of the article entitled "Employment Discrimination in Provision of Employment Benefits" starting on page 635 of the review Sandra Fluke and her co-editor describe two forms of discrimination in benefits they believe LGBTQ individuals face in the work place:

"Discrimination typically takes two forms: first, direct discrimination limiting access to benefits specifically needed by LGBTQ persons, and secondly, the unavailability of family-related benefits to LGBTQ families."

Their "prime example" of the first form of discrimination? Not covering sex change operations:

"A prime example of direct discrimination is denying insurance coverage for medical needs of transgender persons physically transitioning to the other gender."

This so called "prime example" of discrimination is expounded on in a subsection titled "Gender Reassignment Medical Services" starting on page 636:

"Transgender persons wishing to undergo the gender reassignment process frequently face heterosexist employer health insurance policies that label the surgery as cosmetic or medically unnecessary and therefore uncovered."

To be clear, the argument here is that employers are engaging in discrimination against their employees who want them to pay for their sex changes because their "heterosexist" health insurance policies don't believe sex changes are medically necessary.

Additionally Sandra Fluke and her co-editor have an answer for why exactly these "heterosexist" insurance policies, and the courts that side with them, deem sex changes as medically unnecessary:

"In Mario v. P & C Food Markets, Inc., an employee who was denied such coverage brought claims under the federal Employee Retirement Income Security (ERISA) and Title VII. The court rejected the ERISA claim, finding the plaintiff's mastectomy and hormone therapy were not medically necessary. The court's ruling was based upon controversy within the medical community regarding that treatment plan. Much of that controversy has been linked to ignorance and bias against transgender persons, and the American Medical Association has declared the lack of coverage to be discrimination."

You see, all opposition to the determination that sex changes are medically necessary, and therefor must be covered by private employer provided health insurance, is based on "ignorance and bias against transgender persons".

The section on discrimination against those seeking gender reassignment ends with Sandra Fluke and her co-editor wondering why more lawsuits aren't filed against private employers on these grounds. Especially in comparison to the frequency with which these types of cases are filed against Medicare, Medicaid, and even the prison system:

"The reason for this lack of cases is unclear. Private employee insurance plans do not more frequently cover this need, so it may be a sign that transgender employees do not see the courts as likely to provide any assistance against private employers."

The argument made in this article edited by Sandra Fluke and Karen Hu is quite clear. "Gender reassignment" is a medically necessary set of procedures that must be covered under employee provided health insurance policies. If it is not covered by those policies that is tantamount to discrimination and legal action should be taken against the employer.

So, as you can see, Sandra Fluke is not what she is being sold as. Instead she is a liberal activist pushing some rather radical ideas. Keep that in mind as the left holds her up in the spotlight.

http://mrctv.org/blog/sandra-fluke-gender-reassignment-and-health-insurance

ram27bat
wheelrite Offline
#2 Posted:
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she's a promiscuos lefty whore...
Rclay Offline
#3 Posted:
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I was waiting for this one. I am surprised it took so long.

passing yourself off as 23 when you're actually 30 is creepy. It just speaks to the dishonestly of the tactics. I am surprised Limbaugh took the bait.

She'll have no chance at slander claims. She made herself a public figure.
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Rclay

WHY WOULDN'T RUSH TAKE ANY BAIT OFFERED.HE IS A NASTY SOB TO START WITH, MARRIED 3 OR 4 TIMES
ALL TO WOMEN HE MEETS OR MET IN CHAT ROOMS.

WHAT KIND OF BRAIN DOES ONE NEED TO DOCTOR SHOP FOR PRESCRIPTION DRUGS AND HUNT FOR
WOMEN WHO NEED CHAT ROOMS TO MEET MEN.

ANYONE THAT LISTENS TO HIM FOR ADVICE OR WISDOM NEEDS A LONGER TAIL ON HIS KITE.
Rclay Offline
#5 Posted:
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What's a chat room?

I thought the prescription issue was part of the secret Bohemian Grove initiation.
rfenst Offline
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Rclay wrote:
I was waiting for this one. I am surprised it took so long.

passing yourself off as 23 when you're actually 30 is creepy. It just speaks to the dishonestly of the tactics. I am surprised Limbaugh took the bait.

She'll have no chance at slander claims. She made herself a public figure.



Wait a minute.

"Limbaugh took the bait"? She set him up? There was a hidden plan to push him way over the line and to induce him to call her a "slut" and a "prostitute" who is "having so much sex she's going broke"? Give me a f'n break.

On top of that, her being a "public figure" in certain matters does provide Limbaugh with a defense here for the words he used. He was entitled to say she is dead wrong and to disagree with her publicly. He can promote others to or himself debunk her opinions and testimony, but that is about all he is entitled to do.

Limbaugh's slander of her is probably the absolute worst thing a male could publicly say about a publicly known female. His only defense to what he said here is that it is true. I wish him luck proving it- without digging himself even deeper into his own grave.

Limbaugh is going to have to pay a hell of a lot of money to avoid this from going to trial should she sue him. I can see a reasonable jury awarding her and penalizing him millions and millions of dollars in a trial that would last all of a few hours..

ZRX1200 Offline
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She is the one who made the too much sex comment.
Rclay Offline
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You're right., but then there is your employer Media Matters that trolls conservative radio and websites looking for opportunities like that.

Your offense at something that doesn't involve you is weird. Blog practice? Besides its not the worse word. I think we all know women hate c€%t the worst. With today's debased society (jersey shore, etc.) slut has little value.

She made herself a public figure and any lawyer is
Going to have an easy time with the discovery process with that woman. She was seeking the spotlight to demand freebies. Ed Schultz comments about Laura Ingram ring a bell? Most of the leftist blogs say much worse.

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ZRX1200 wrote:
She is the one who made the too much sex comment.




Damn right.......she's obviously a fuqqing whore..................Anybody got pics of her???LOL


Ron
rfenst Offline
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Rclay wrote:
You're right., but then there is your employer Media Matters that trolls conservative radio and websites looking for opportunities like that.

Your offense at something that doesn't involve you is weird. Blog practice? Besides its not the worse word. I think we all know women hate c€%t the worst. With today's debased society (jersey shore, etc.) slut has little value.

She made herself a public figure and any lawyer is
Going to have an easy time with the discovery process with that woman. She was seeking the spotlight to demand freebies. Ed Schultz comments about Laura Ingram ring a bell? Most of the leftist blogs say much worse.




WTF are you talking about?
Please tell us you are just drunk.
wheelrite Offline
#11 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
WTF are you talking about?
Please tell us you are just drunk.


Lefty Broads are lousy lays..

The funny thing,
This whore is prolly a Rug Biter that doesn't need contraception,,,
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#12 Posted:
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If you don't wanna get bit, don't screw with the Big Dogs. Oh MY GOSH somebody called me a Bad Name! I cannot stand the pain!"


This is the Bull**** that destroys any Organization or Nation.


3000 bucks a year for pills that cost 150 ! That's a flat out Lie !
I am Offended and i cant get up!


Will we continue to be stupid enough to pay attention to this crap and t5have the Government pay the cost to let this crap come to trial !

What about the greedy companies trying to look Holier than Now by withdrawing ads over theses remarks. They couln'd't actually give a sheet unless it got them free Publicity.

This Country is screwed up when we waste precious time and energy on this crap while the 3rd World is plotting our demise.

We have become a Nation Fools who let a Legal Spirit become a weapon used to contrive a Blockade to Day to Day Functionality and The Media to be the PuppetMasters of a Society of Indecisive Milksops..

Rclay Offline
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+1
DrMaddVibe Offline
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rfenst wrote:
Wait a minute.

"Limbaugh took the bait"? She set him up? There was a hidden plan to push him way over the line and to induce him to call her a "slut" and a "prostitute" who is "having so much sex she's going broke"? Give me a f'n break.

On top of that, her being a "public figure" in certain matters does provide Limbaugh with a defense here for the words he used. He was entitled to say she is dead wrong and to disagree with her publicly. He can promote others to or himself debunk her opinions and testimony, but that is about all he is entitled to do.

Limbaugh's slander of her is probably the absolute worst thing a male could publicly say about a publicly known female. His only defense to what he said here is that it is true. I wish him luck proving it- without digging himself even deeper into his own grave.

Limbaugh is going to have to pay a hell of a lot of money to avoid this from going to trial should she sue him. I can see a reasonable jury awarding her and penalizing him millions and millions of dollars in a trial that would last all of a few hours..




BAWHAHAHAHAA!!!

Free Speech sucks!

Yeah, I see it now...didn't before. Rick has said worse here about Palin!!!!

Anyone is entitled..yes entitled by their maker...to say anything they want in this country. It's what separates us and the muslims!

http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/05/the-lefts-respect-for-women-a-look-back/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
snowwolf777 Offline
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rfenst wrote:
Wait a minute.

"Limbaugh took the bait"? She set him up? There was a hidden plan to push him way over the line and to induce him to call her a "slut" and a "prostitute" who is "having so much sex she's going broke"? Give me a f'n break.

On top of that, her being a "public figure" in certain matters does provide Limbaugh with a defense here for the words he used. He was entitled to say she is dead wrong and to disagree with her publicly. He can promote others to or himself debunk her opinions and testimony, but that is about all he is entitled to do.

Limbaugh's slander of her is probably the absolute worst thing a male could publicly say about a publicly known female. His only defense to what he said here is that it is true. I wish him luck proving it- without digging himself even deeper into his own grave.

Limbaugh is going to have to pay a hell of a lot of money to avoid this from going to trial should she sue him. I can see a reasonable jury awarding her and penalizing him millions and millions of dollars in a trial that would last all of a few hours..




I don't argue much with lawyers, but I will opine. I doubt she'll sue (unless that celebrity attention whore from the left coast talks her into it for some more face time on TMZ). The only reason she would sue would be to start shopping her resume to DC area law firms.

She's no kid who got bushwhacked. She's a 30-year-old liberal feminist going to one of the most expensive law schools in the country, whining because she thinks the someone else should pay for her rubbers. While the "morally outraged media" is all a-flutter over Limbaugh (same media that giggles when Bill Mahr calls Sarah Palin a "tw*t and a "cu*t"), most folks are still in tune with the real issue here, which is: "What a set of balls on this woman to demand her birth control be paid for by someone else!" Since when is birth control a pre-req to graduate from college? If so, why stop at that? Starbucks is damn expensive, too. So is pizza, beer, and Spring Break. She didn't have to go to Georgetown. Go to SUNY or the local CC.

And as for the Dems and their little show trial they put on, really? This is your cause celeb in an election year? Not free drugs for AIDs paitents? Not free drugs for diabetic senior citizens? No, it's free birth control for some snotty college girl who wants to bang like a porn star but "can't afford it." Boo-f'n-hoo.

Sad
snowwolf777 Offline
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Oh, and yes, I think Rush stepped in it. Both feet. And tracked it into his mansion. Thought that soon as I heard the comment.

Shame on you
Rclay Offline
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snowwolf777 wrote:
Oh, and yes, I think Rush stepped in it. Both feet. And tracked it into his mansion. Thought that soon as I heard the comment.

Shame on you


Agreed, Stepped in it is better phrasing.
snowwolf777 Offline
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And I think this a great little project for the Dems to blow smoke all over the place to cloud up those other minor election year issues like the *****ty economy, poor job market, sky-high gas prices, Iran, etc.
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snowwolf777 wrote:
And I think this a great little project for the Dems to blow smoke all over the place to cloud up those other minor election year issues like the *****ty economy, poor job market, sky-high gas prices, Iran, etc.



Of course! Let's make an op-ed radio talkshow host the equal to a GOP frontrunner for the POTUS and fire the ovens!

You don't have to agree with what he says. He does have a right to say whatever he wants. No matter how stupid or outlandish. Did he have his "brain power" restrained?
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Of course! Let's make an op-ed radio talkshow host the equal to a GOP frontrunner for the POTUS and fire the ovens!

You don't have to agree with what he says. He does have a right to say whatever he wants. No matter how stupid or outlandish. Did he have his "brain power" restrained?



They tried Air America, but the 4 listeners didn't support the 2 sponsors enough, so that tanked. Failing that, they must now silence the opposition. Still waiting for the "Anti-Talk Radio Hate Speech" proposal to hit the floor in Congress.

We can all rally around "Sandy's Law!"

Frying pan
DrMaddVibe Offline
#21 Posted:
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YES!!!

Now THAT'S something that Congress should take up!

Why should they be bothered to say bring a budget to the table that's Constitutionally mandated? Why should they even bother with term limits or passing legislation that states they adhere to the same legislation that they themselves vote on?

Yes, it's these cans boss...he hates these cans!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBbTIGNnwjU

STAY AWAY FROM THE CANS!!!Frying pan
Rclay Offline
#22 Posted:
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Fairness Doctrine.

They are starting to purge the system of their vocal enemies.
rfenst Offline
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snowwolf777 wrote:
Oh, and yes, I think Rush stepped in it. Both feet. And tracked it into his mansion. Thought that soon as I heard the comment.

Shame on you



I agree 100%.

But, there is a price to pay whether or not it is monetary. What he said about her on broadcast radio is what I think is dead wrong. That is not civil discourse over issues. Who in their right mind doesn't think it was hostile, boorish and pathetic.

Americans have different opinions on birth control, its cost and who should bare that cost. That's America, love it or hate it. Rush can oppose or support whatever he wants to within fair boundaries. But, if he crosses such a bright line- there will always be some price to pay.

That is my only thought about the matter right now and the only aspect of the issue and debacle I have posted about. Any one who wants to debate the morals and costs of birth control pills is free to do so- good luck influencing or changing any one's mind!
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Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences.

Sure he has the right to say whatever he wants. The public and his sponsors also have a right to react to that however they want.
Rclay Offline
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The left says similar and worse with regularity. I never hear of advertisers fleeing their shows.

David Letterman, Ed Schultz, & others make ugly comments, yet there is suddenly a conscience attack with Limbaugh.
Haven't heard of any advertisers leaving other shows when they make ugly comments.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Selective outrage outrage.....
daveincincy Offline
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Ok, so I think I have most of the letters figured out in "LGBTQ." But I'm having a hard time figuring out the Q....is it QUEERS! Is "queer" socially acceptable now? What about an "F" for fags?
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rfenst wrote:
I agree 100%.

But, there is a price to pay whether or not it is monetary. What he said about her on broadcast radio is what I think is dead wrong. That is not civil discourse over issues. Who in their right mind doesn't think it was hostile, boorish and pathetic.

Americans have different opinions on birth control, its cost and who should bare that cost. That's America, love it or hate it. Rush can oppose or support whatever he wants to within fair boundaries. But, if he crosses such a bright line- there will always be some price to pay.

That is my only thought about the matter right now and the only aspect of the issue and debacle I have posted about. Any one who wants to debate the morals and costs of birth control pills is free to do so- good luck influencing or changing any one's mind!



Agreed....
ZRX1200 Offline
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Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Gregory Smith at 2:50 AM

Limbaugh wrong in apologizing to Sandra Fluke.

I'm not going to get into Limbaugh's brain, because he explained his reasons for apologizing very well today. He basically said that a conservatives must not be dragged down to the level of the left. You know, that old idea that we should fight nice while our enemies fight dirty.

Well, as a right-leaning libertarian, I disagree. The left loves fighting dirty, Bill Maher can call Sarah Palin the c-word and get away with it. Rush Limbaugh himself has been called all kinds of nasty things. Michelle Malkin has been called a gook and a ****, Ann Coulter has been called nasty names, as Chattanooga's commie cartoonist Clay Bennett has drawn black conservative Herman Cain as a confederate general and as a clown.

So to my friends on the right, why are you being nice? If a woman spends $3,000 a year on birth control and demands a Catholic university to pay for it, she is a slut. If Fluke had kept her sexual life private, nobody would be calling her any names. I mean, folks, if you go to a Jewish neighborhood wearing a swastika, you're not going to get a warm welcome.

I'm ok with Fluke having sex, in fact, I'm a bit of a libertine when it comes to sex. but here's the problem:

Liberals in the 1970s: "If it feels good, do it." Progressives in 2012: "If it feels good, pay for me to do it."

Well I'm sorry liberals/progressives, but I don't want to pay for your lifestyle. I don't pay for the sado-masochists who buys a $300 chain vest, I don't pay for the guy who visits the Bunny Ranch, I don't finance nudist colonies, and I don't even pay for the porn I sometimes watch online. See? That's how society should work, you pay or enjoy the free preview of what you like, you don't pay for what you don't like.

Yet now millions of women like Fluke want to screw the entire country. How would progressives feel if they had to pay for my bullets, my guns, my concealed carry permit, and all the things I do as a gun owner? How would women feel if the lap dances I sometimes get where paid by them?

The libertarian solution of course is to fight for Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Association. Georgetown also needs to clean house and get rid of those stupid liberal professors defending Fluke. You're CATHOLIC for God's sake! I doubt your university has a Pro-Choice Club or a Secular Humanist Club, or anything that doesn't fit in with Catholic Values.

So why are you defending Sandra Fluke? If that floozy had gone to Brigham Young University, she would have been expelled months ago! People like Fluke belong in Harvard, Berkeley, MIT, University of Michigan, and the usual places where conservatives are discriminated against while liberals are empowered.

Come on, Georgetown, you can do better than a freak like Fluke! Have pride in your FAITH! Georgetown is a great institution BECAUSE of the Catholic tradition. If you start tolerating Catholic enemies like Fluke, you'll be destroyed from within.

This already happened at Brandeis University (Jewish) which has allowed an invasion by Muslims and self-hating Jews who have attacked Zionism. So beware, Georgetown, you are not invisible.
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#30 Posted:
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daveincincy wrote:
Ok, so I think I have most of the letters figured out in "LGBTQ." But I'm having a hard time figuring out the Q....is it QUEERS! Is "queer" socially acceptable now? What about an "F" for fags?

Could be, you see that right there is part of there problem. To them everyone should automatically know what LGBTQ stands for, like it is something normal in everyone's everyday life.
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dubleuhb wrote:
Could be, you see that right there is part of there problem. To them everyone should automatically know what LGBTQ stands for, like it is something normal in everyone's everyday life.


She and another girl wrote an article that was over 635 pages long. Do you think anyone "read all that" (just like Obamacare) to figure out what it meant?
Big Sexy Offline
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Limbaugh is a drug addict hypocrite that's been married what, four times? What's shameful is that so many of you wouldn't know what side of an issue to take if he didn't tell you.
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Big Sexy wrote:
Limbaugh is a drug addict hypocrite that's been married what, four times? What's shameful is that so many of you wouldn't know what side of an issue to take if he didn't tell you.

OK, Well great first post I guess you got my dumb azz. LMAO!
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#34 Posted:
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daveincincy wrote:
She and another girl wrote an article that was over 635 pages long. Do you think anyone "read all that" (just like Obamacare) to figure out what it meant?

Can't imagine how anyone could. I suppose if I was sitting in prison and needed something to put me to sleep it could be useful.
rfenst Offline
#35 Posted:
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Rclay wrote:
The left says similar and worse with regularity. I never hear of advertisers fleeing their shows.

David Letterman, Ed Schultz, & others make ugly comments, yet there is suddenly a conscience attack with Limbaugh.
Haven't heard of any advertisers leaving other shows when they make ugly comments.


This isn't an issue of right v. left. Each side cries unequal treatment. It is up to each "side" to watch side to fix their own problems.

If other s have made similarly offensive comments, they too are equally wrong. If the language and scenario was like Limbaugh's, I would find it absolutely repulsive. But, Limbaugh's situation is compounded by his long history, vehemence and crummy apology.

As to advertisers leaving Limbaugh- that is their prerogative. It is their advertising and their money. If you own stock in any of them, take it up as a stockholder. Or, write them a letter. On top of that, vote against them with your dollars- by not doing business with them.

IMO reason they fled is that they simply feel they cannot afford to be affiliated with or support Limbaugh with their dollars. It is likely just a simple business decision made by Executives and Directors. It may even be more than that. Who knows?
rfenst Offline
#36 Posted:
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dubleuhb wrote:
Could be, you see that right there is part of there problem. To them everyone should automatically know what LGBTQ stands for, like it is something normal in everyone's everyday life.



If one pays attention to current events and news, LGBT should come as nothing new, regardless of how they feel about matters. Google also works really well. Beyond that not knowing what LGBT means is likely ignorance.
rfenst Offline
#37 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Gregory Smith at 2:50 AM

Limbaugh wrong in apologizing to Sandra Fluke.

I'm not going to get into Limbaugh's brain, because he explained his reasons for apologizing very well today. He basically said that a conservatives must not be dragged down to the level of the left. You know, that old idea that we should fight nice while our enemies fight dirty.

Well, as a right-leaning libertarian, I disagree. The left loves fighting dirty, Bill Maher can call Sarah Palin the c-word and get away with it. Rush Limbaugh himself has been called all kinds of nasty things. Michelle Malkin has been called a gook and a ****, Ann Coulter has been called nasty names, as Chattanooga's commie cartoonist Clay Bennett has drawn black conservative Herman Cain as a confederate general and as a clown.

So to my friends on the right, why are you being nice? If a woman spends $3,000 a year on birth control and demands a Catholic university to pay for it, she is a slut. If Fluke had kept her sexual life private, nobody would be calling her any names. I mean, folks, if you go to a Jewish neighborhood wearing a swastika, you're not going to get a warm welcome.

I'm ok with Fluke having sex, in fact, I'm a bit of a libertine when it comes to sex. but here's the problem:

Liberals in the 1970s: "If it feels good, do it." Progressives in 2012: "If it feels good, pay for me to do it."

Well I'm sorry liberals/progressives, but I don't want to pay for your lifestyle. I don't pay for the sado-masochists who buys a $300 chain vest, I don't pay for the guy who visits the Bunny Ranch, I don't finance nudist colonies, and I don't even pay for the porn I sometimes watch online. See? That's how society should work, you pay or enjoy the free preview of what you like, you don't pay for what you don't like.

Yet now millions of women like Fluke want to screw the entire country. How would progressives feel if they had to pay for my bullets, my guns, my concealed carry permit, and all the things I do as a gun owner? How would women feel if the lap dances I sometimes get where paid by them?

The libertarian solution of course is to fight for Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Association. Georgetown also needs to clean house and get rid of those stupid liberal professors defending Fluke. You're CATHOLIC for God's sake! I doubt your university has a Pro-Choice Club or a Secular Humanist Club, or anything that doesn't fit in with Catholic Values.

So why are you defending Sandra Fluke? If that floozy had gone to Brigham Young University, she would have been expelled months ago! People like Fluke belong in Harvard, Berkeley, MIT, University of Michigan, and the usual places where conservatives are discriminated against while liberals are empowered.

Come on, Georgetown, you can do better than a freak like Fluke! Have pride in your FAITH! Georgetown is a great institution BECAUSE of the Catholic tradition. If you start tolerating Catholic enemies like Fluke, you'll be destroyed from within.

This already happened at Brandeis University (Jewish) which has allowed an invasion by Muslims and self-hating Jews who have attacked Zionism. So beware, Georgetown, you are not invisible.


Pathetic in too many ways to reply, except for the most important issue in my mind. Liberals and conservatives should all be on the same page as to the well being of our country and its citizens. I think that is ultimately both sides goal, but they set themselves up for failure by squabbling and hatred. The last decade or so of a historically new style of discussing issues and fighting over them has been detrimental to all. Both sides are to blame, not one or the other.
jackconrad Offline
#38 Posted:
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THIS IS GONNA HURT.. SO SORRY ROBT.

THE FRIGGIN PROBLEM IS MOST OF THESE ELECTED GONADS ARE ATTORNEYS ! !!
daveincincy Offline
#39 Posted:
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Big Sexy wrote:
Limbaugh is a drug addict hypocrite that's been married what, four times? What's shameful is that so many of you wouldn't know what side of an issue to take if he didn't tell you.


Pot..kettle...left...right...it goes both ways.


rfenst wrote:
This isn't an issue of right v. left. Each side cries unequal treatment. It is up to watch side to fix their own problems.


Sure it is an issue of left vs. right. The left says this, the right cries. The right says that, the left cries. Neither side will fix any problems until they can repair their own house (so to speak).

rfenst wrote:
If other s have made similarly offensive comments, they too are equally wrong. If the language and scenario was like Limbaugh's, I would find it absolutely repulsive. But, Limbaugh's situation is compounded by his long history, vehemence and crummy apology.


Others have made similarly offensive comments (see posted article above). It's just that each side is too blind to see it...you know the saying "don't worry about the speck in someone else's eye when you have a plank in your own." The only reason anyone in the media or a celebrity apologizes is to save their arse and because their PR person told them to.

rfenst wrote:
As to advertisers leaving Limbaugh- that is their prerogative. It is their advertising and their money. If you own stock in any of them, take it up as a stockholder. Or, write them a letter. On top of that, vote against them with your dollars- by not doing business with them.

IMO reason they fled is that they simply feel they cannot afford to be affiliated with or support Limbaugh with their dollars. It is likely just a simple business decision made by Executives and Directors. It may even be more than that. Who knows?


Advertisers leaving is just like the fake apologies offered by celebs and media, IMO. They're only leaving (many times) to look good in the public eye and save their arse from any retribution. Most would probably want to continue advertising because it's stuff like this that may actually boost ratings, but they know the general public is a bunch of whiney puzzays that look for any reason to flame someone. If I want a Sleep Number bed, do you really think I'd not buy one becuase they advertise on Rush's show? Whatever. If I have a product and I advertise on Rush's show it's because I want get my name out there, and he has a huge audience. It's not because I have him or any other celeb tuned in on my radio 24/7. It doesn't mean his views necessarily reflect my own. But people don't see it that way.
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#40 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
If one pays attention to current events and news, LGBT should come as nothing new, regardless of how they feel about matters. Google also works really well. Beyond that not knowing what LGBT means is likely ignorance.


OMG...our parents are ignorant....LOL d'oh!
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rfenst wrote:
If one pays attention to current events and news, LGBT should come as nothing new, regardless of how they feel about matters. Google also works really well. Beyond that not knowing what LGBT means is likely ignorance.

Ignorance ? Really? I don't watch the crap on TV, when reading I pass over the lifestyles section. When it comes to current events why would I pay attention to something like this ? I don't care what others do, just don't push your weird, unconventional, sick lifestyle on me thinking it is normal. Why would I bother to Google this ? It is of no interest and nothing would ever compel me to learn more about that freak show.

Amazing what some have give normalcy to these days. Sodom and Gomorrah he we come.
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rfenst wrote:
If one pays attention to current events and news, LGBT should come as nothing new, regardless of how they feel about matters. Google also works really well. Beyond that not knowing what LGBT means is likely ignorance.



You start by qualifying your statement with "If one pays attention to current events...". You're basically saying that you either know this, or you don't pay attention. Pretty lame way to start a discussion.

You then suggest "google", but you finish by admitting that if you actually need to use Google then you are likely ignorant.

Why the hell would you disparage someone simply because they don't recognize an acronym?



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#43 Posted:
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Big Sexy wrote:
Limbaugh is a drug addict hypocrite that's been married what, four times? What's shameful is that so many of you wouldn't know what side of an issue to take if he didn't tell you.


Awesome first post!

So I guess it's OK for someone to be part of the LGBTQ crowd, but not divorced? Or to have an addiction?

The only thing you're proving with your first post is that you need Rush and his ilk to tell YOU which side of an issue to take.
Sure, it's the opposite position, but is that really any different?

Is it?




Is it?

whip
kharzhak Offline
#44 Posted:
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I don't know why y'all are against this ... first we pay for contraception for the ladies ... soon we'll have them paying for mistresses (w/ contraception) for the men ... that's how it's going to work out ... just wait.
Rclay Offline
#45 Posted:
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Who is going to pay for rfenst's Love Bot 5000? Clearly someone should, and not him. Robot love should be covered with tax dollars!
rfenst Offline
#46 Posted:
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jackconrad wrote:
THIS IS GONNA HURT.. SO SORRY ROBT.

THE FRIGGIN PROBLEM IS MOST OF THESE ELECTED GONADS ARE ATTORNIES !!



I don't think it is the fact that they are attorneys that is the problem. It is their constituents and parties which are the problem. Their constituents elect and retain them. Their party allegiances prevent independent thinking and action accomplishing their most important duties. But, I do appreciate your effort to drag me into your discussion and make me guilty by association.
wheelrite Offline
#47 Posted:
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all this is just Eugenics in a foil wrapper . Ribbed for her pleasure..


wheel,
Rclay Offline
#48 Posted:
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+1
rfenst Offline
#49 Posted:
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dubleuhb wrote:
Ignorance ? Really? I don't watch the crap on TV, when reading I pass over the lifestyles section. When it comes to current events why would I pay attention to something like this ? I don't care what others do, just don't push your weird, unconventional, sick lifestyle on me thinking it is normal. Why would I bother to Google this ? It is of no interest and nothing would ever compel me to learn more about that freak show.

Amazing what some have give normalcy to these days. Sodom and Gomorrah he we come.



ignorant ig·no·rant/ˈignərənt/

Adjective: Lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular.



Let me make absolutely certain that I am clear. If one does not know, for example, what the acronym LGBT stands for and doesn't bother to look it up on Google (or elsewhere) when they come across it and wonder what it means, I believe they are ignorant.
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#50 Posted:
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Rclay wrote:
Who is going to pay for rfenst's Love Bot 5000? Clearly someone should, and not him. Robot love should be covered with tax dollars!


WTF do you mean?
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