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Poll Question : What's your viable option (or pipe dream)?
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So what is the solution to our political morass?
bloody spaniard Offline
#51 Posted:
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Wheelrite would be in charge of making preparations (and handling negotiations) for the Secret Service.
Sort of a good will czar.whip
ZRX1200 Offline
#52 Posted:
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Here we go!

An amendment that would legalize the use of propaganda on American audiences is being inserted into the latest defense authorization bill, BuzzFeed has learned.

The amendment would “strike the current ban on domestic dissemination” of propaganda material produced by the State Department and the Pentagon, according to the summary of the law at the House Rules Committee’s official website.

The tweak to the bill would essentially neutralize two previous acts—the Smith-Mundt Act of 1948 and Foreign Relations Authorization Act in 1987—that had been passed to protect U.S. audiences from our own government’s misinformation campaigns.

The bi-partisan amendment is sponsored by Rep. Mac Thornberry from Texas and Rep. Adam Smith from Washington State.

In a little noticed press release earlier in the week — buried beneath the other high-profile issues in the $642 billion defense bill, including indefinite detention and a prohibition on gay marriage at military installations —Thornberry warned that in the Internet age, the current law “ties the hands of America’s diplomatic officials, military, and others by inhibiting our ability to effectively communicate in a credible way.”

The bill’s supporters say the informational material used overseas to influence foreign audiences is too good to not use at home, and that new techniques are needed to help fight Al-Qaeda, a borderless enemy whose own propaganda reaches Americans online.

Critics of the bill say there are ways to keep America safe without turning the massive information operations apparatus within the federal government against American citizens.

“Clearly there are ways to modernize for the information age without wiping out the distinction between domestic and foreign audiences,” says Michael Shank, Vice President at the Institute for Economics and Peace in Washington D.C. “That Reps Adam Smith and Mac Thornberry want to roll back protections put in place by previously-serving Senators – who, in their wisdom, ensured limits to taxpayer–funded propaganda promulgated by the US government – is disconcerting and dangerous.”

“I just don’t want to see something this significant – whatever the pros and cons – go through without anyone noticing,” “ says one source on the Hill, who is disturbed by the law. According to this source, the law would allow “U.S. propaganda intended to influence foreign audiences to be used on the domestic population.”

The new law would give sweeping powers to the State Department and Pentagon to push television, radio, newspaper, and social media onto the U.S. public. “It removes the protection for Americans,” says a Pentagon official who is concerned about the law. “It removes oversight from the people who want to put out this information. There are no checks and balances. No one knows if the information is accurate, partially accurate, or entirely false.”

According to this official, “senior public affairs” officers within the Department of Defense want to “get rid” of Smith-Mundt and other restrictions because it prevents information activities designed to prop up unpopular policies—like the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Critics of the bill point out that there was rigorous debate when Smith Mundt passed, and the fact that this is so “under the radar,” as the Pentagon official puts it, is troubling.

The Pentagon spends some $4 billion a year to sway public opinion already, and it was recently revealed by USA Today the DoD spent $202 million on information operations in Iraq and Afghanistan last year.

In an apparent retaliation to the USA Today investigation, the two reporters working on the story appear to have been targeted by Pentagon contractors, who created fake Facebook pages and Twitter accounts in an attempt to discredit them.

(In fact, a second amendment to the authorization bill — in reaction to the USA Today report — seeks for cuts to the Pentagon’s propaganda budget overseas, while this amendment will make it easier for the propaganda to spread at home.)

The evaporation of Smith-Mundt and other provisions to safeguard U.S. citizens against government propaganda campaigns is part of a larger trend within the diplomatic and military establishment.

In December, the Pentagon used software to monitor the Twitter debate over Bradley Manning’s pre-trial hearing; another program being developed by the Pentagon would design software to create “sock puppets” on social media outlets; and, last year, General William Caldwell, deployed an information operations team under his command that had been trained in psychological operations to influence visiting American politicians to Kabul.

The upshot, at times, is the Department of Defense using the same tools on U.S. citizens as on a hostile, foreign, population.

A U.S. Army whistleblower, Lieutenant Col. Daniel Davis, noted recently in his scathing 84-page unclassified report on Afghanistan that there remains a strong desire within the defense establishment “to enable Public Affairs officers to influence American public opinion when they deem it necessary to “protect a key friendly center of gravity, to wit US national will,” he wrote, quoting a well-regarded general.

The defense bill passed the House Friday afternoon.

Via:buzzfeed

8trackdisco Offline
#53 Posted:
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Another vote for the Libertarian candidate.
wheelrite Offline
#54 Posted:
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Wheelrite would be in charge of making preparations (and handling negotiations) for the Secret Service.
Sort of a good will czar.whip


Ha !

good call POTUS !!
Flapper
ZRX1200 Offline
#55 Posted:
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http://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2012/05/16/53000-dead-voters-found-in-florida/
OldSchool Offline
#56 Posted:
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Leave Country. Already planning my exodus. It is a sad, sad state of affairs, what this county has become. I will not be here when this place turns into Greece, I'll be safley tucked away somewhere else.
bloody spaniard Offline
#57 Posted:
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^ May not have to... Obama may yet sink himself.
FuzzNJ Offline
#58 Posted:
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Look at all the patriots who don't think America is exceptional.
HockeyDad Offline
#59 Posted:
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America is not exceptional.
bloody spaniard Offline
#60 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
America is not exceptional.



Well, if America is not exceptional where would all the immigrants from 3rd world ****holes go if she were to disappear?

Oh wait, there's Europe & Singapore, isn't there?

My apologies. America can be replaced.
z6joker9 Offline
#61 Posted:
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We host couchsurfers, and about half are european. It's interesting to hear about America from their eyes. They seem to appreciate America more than most Americans. Most enter the visa lottery each year out of habit, and if they are selected (odds are very low), they immediately move over here and leave everything they knew behind, just for the chance. We sometimes forget how lucky we are.
teedubbya Offline
#62 Posted:
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we forget it out of convienience at times
z6joker9 Offline
#63 Posted:
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An interesting read from a humor site for all of you future expats.

http://www.cracked.com/article_19363_6-reasons-your-plans-to-move-abroad-might-not-work-out.html
DrMaddVibe Offline
#64 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Look at all the patriots who don't think America is exceptional.



Exceptional police state!

Exceptional education!

Exceptional penal system!

Exceptional debters!

Exceptional industrial military complex

Exceptional listening posts!

Exceptional entitlements!

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!


We're #1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
teedubbya Offline
#65 Posted:
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who is #1 then? who is a better country over all than us?
z6joker9 Offline
#66 Posted:
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We have flaws, but (from the article I linked to):

Quote:
I found upon arriving here that Americans, unlike people anywhere else in the world, are completely happy to tell me all about their unusual bowel movements or their battle with drug addiction, even if I'm just standing next to them in the checkout line. They will happily go on national TV to discuss things that in other countries would drive people to culturally-approved suicide. Add it all up, and you wind up with a culture that is obsessed with discussing its own flaws.

The downside of this, of course, is that Americans end up comparing themselves to countries that don't like exposing their own bad stuff, or worse, don't consider the bad stuff all that bad.
teedubbya Offline
#67 Posted:
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I think we are the best country in the world, but am willing to look to those other countries that are better than us so we have a role model from which to aspire. I'm just not sure who they are.
teedubbya Offline
#68 Posted:
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France maybe? HD seems to think so.
bloody spaniard Offline
#69 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Exceptional police state!

Exceptional education!

Exceptional penal system!

Exceptional debters!

Exceptional industrial military complex

Exceptional listening posts!

Exceptional entitlements!

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!


We're #1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




YAY!!! We ARE number 1. Woot Woot Woot
Europe will just have to settle for being a number 2.
teedubbya Offline
#70 Posted:
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I could see the swiss as a model perhapse although I think we are too large and powerful to pull off what they do
DrMaddVibe Offline
#71 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
I could see the swiss as a model perhapse although I think we are too large and powerful to pull off what they do



Yeah, making timepieces, chocolate and sitting in parks shooting up heroin is soooooo damn hard, I hear ya!
teedubbya Offline
#72 Posted:
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agreed. you are right.

who is better than us?
bloody spaniard Offline
#73 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Yeah, making timepieces, chocolate and sitting in parks shooting up heroin is soooooo damn hard, I hear ya!



LMAO!! Don't forget the Ricola commercials with the big horn.ThumpUp
DrMaddVibe Offline
#74 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
agreed. you are right.

who is better than us?



Ever have a bad day? That too will pass. Same thing for empires. American Idol is the new Roman Coliseum. Sadly, it won't stand as long as the thing in Rome but hey we had our day in the sun. Time for someone else to overachieve and we can sit back and watch!Beer
DrMaddVibe Offline
#75 Posted:
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Frying pan Frying pan
bloody spaniard wrote:
LMAO!! Don't forget the Ricola commercials with the big horn.ThumpUp



Frying pan


The Hills are alive...with the sounds of...doe a deer a female deer...:-"
teedubbya Offline
#76 Posted:
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OK but who is better right now, or will be soon? China? It was japan for awhile but that really didn't work out. Germany is always an option they seem to rise every now and then.
teedubbya Offline
#77 Posted:
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or maybe the sky will just fall
teedubbya Offline
#78 Posted:
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we should be so lucky as to last as long as the roman empire. to many their true leader still resides there.

besides, those marching band hats are kinda cool
HockeyDad Offline
#79 Posted:
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Who is better now is too subjective to answer. Under any number of criteria a number of countries are better than the USA.

The advantage the USA has is that it can mobilize the military and destroy most of those countries in a matter of days if not weeks. We'll bomb the "better" right out of them.

teedubbya Offline
#80 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Who is better now is too subjective to answer. Under any number of criteria a number of countries are better than the USA.

The advantage the USA has is that it can mobilize the military and destroy most of those countries in a matter of days if not weeks. We'll bomb the "better" right out of them.




I'm cool with that. I'm even cool with identifying any of the countries you are referring to and respect the opinion. No one seems to want to identify them though. I think overall we are the best country in the world and have no desire to live anywhere else. I appreciate others may not. I'm just curious where they seem to find a better place.

At least we know you think France is a better place. Cool.
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Sometimes I think it would be nice to live in the Caribbean somewhere but I'd prolly have to maintain my citizenship here for the welfare and stuff.... Mellow
HockeyDad Offline
#82 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
I think overall we are the best country in the world and have no desire to live anywhere else.



The problem with that statement is "overall" is impossible to define.
FuzzNJ Offline
#83 Posted:
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It's always fascinating to watch 'conservatives' argue both sides of something over time with absolutely no sense of irony, shame or embarrassment.
HockeyDad Offline
#84 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
It's always fascinating to watch 'conservatives' argue both sides of something over time with absolutely no sense of irony, shame or embarrassment.



You should invite your friends and family to watch.
teedubbya Offline
#85 Posted:
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It's not hard to define on an individual level. Maybe if you are trying to do a study or something but we are not. That's a cop out. I'm not asking for some sort of quantified analysis.

Which country would you rather live in?

It's easy for me. None.

If this isn't the best country in your opinion for whatever reason (need not be consistent with anyone else's opinion) which one is?

I don't expect an answer because the premise is disingenuous in the first place. It's a bitch to bitch fest.
teedubbya Offline
#86 Posted:
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Oops almost forgot

And drafter is gay
HockeyDad Offline
#87 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:

I don't expect an answer because the premise is disingenuous in the first place. It's a bitch to bitch fest.



Then why are you asking?


I would just like to scoffingly point out that most flyover staters don't even know there are other countries and are easily amazed about cattle stockyards. Where does the cattle go to?
ZRX1200 Offline
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They're easily impressed by roads with curves too......thats why they love nascar.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#89 Posted:
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bloody spaniard wrote:
We complain but few do anything due to lack of $$$, time, etc. What recourse do we REALISTICALLY have?


NO.

DEAL WITH IT THE BEST YOU CAN,

DON'T LET THE BASTARDS GET YOU DOWN
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#90 Posted:
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I VHECK YES

THEN I CHECK NO.

NOTHING POSTS

WTF
wheelrite Offline
#91 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
They're easily impressed by roads with curves too......thats why they love nascar.


left turns
HockeyDad Offline
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rfenst Offline
#93 Posted:
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
I VHECK YES

THEN I CHECK NO.

NOTHING POSTS

WTF


OP probably has you "blocked".

















j/k
DrMaddVibe Offline
#94 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
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C'mon...for the LOVE of ALL that is holy!










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HockeyDad Offline
#95 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe Offline
#96 Posted:
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Red like the color on my beer can...red like the neck down at WalMart...red like the steak off the grill...bold like the man that drove the car...vroom goes the fast car...round and round he goes...damn....he shudda used a seat belt.
teedubbya Offline
#97 Posted:
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I agree

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bloody spaniard Offline
#98 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
OP probably has you "blocked".j/k



LOL!
I think Rick mistook his Ipad keyboard for the pc's.Anxious

Oh, Hockeydad... what happened to the French team in the South African Cup- only 1 goal?















teedubbya Offline
#99 Posted:
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bloody spaniard wrote:
LOL!
I think Rick mistook his Ipad keyboard for the pc's.Anxious

Oh, Hockeydad... what happened to the French team in the South African Cup- only 1 goal?


















how many did the french surrender?
bloody spaniard Offline
#100 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
how many did the french surrender?


No idea. Just caught the sports on RT (Russian television) this morning. The French guys were walking away with shoulders slumped & heads bowed while the commentator laughed. lol
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