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RICKAMAVEN Offline
#1 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 10:04 AM EST
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UPHOLDS THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO BE HEALTHY.
borndead1 Offline
#2 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 10:05 AM EST
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Upholds the power of government to force citizens to purchase a product against their will and punish them if they don't.
Buckwheat Offline
#3 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 10:06 AM EST
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I'm interested to see how all of this actually plays out. It’s been predicted that it is either the end of the US or the salvation of the US. Probably a little of both.
cacman Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 10:07 AM EST
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Healthcare is a PRIVILEDGE - not a RIGHT!!!
until today.
HockeyDad Offline
#5 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 10:09 AM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
I'm interested to see how all of this actually plays out. It’s been predicted that it is either the end of the US or the salvation of the US. Probably a little of both.



It is safe to say that hiring freezes and price increases are in the works! Mo money! Mo money!
ZRX1200 Offline
#6 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 10:14 AM EST
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^ yup.

COMMERCE CLAUSE GETS F**KED IN THE AZZ AGAIN!


big victory for the central scrutinizer.
Buckwheat Offline
#7 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 10:14 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
It is safe to say that hiring freezes and price increases are in the works! Mo money! Mo money!


We'll add you to the "End of the US" list. Like I said, I believe that it will not really be that bad or good. Beer
DrMaddVibe Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 10:17 AM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
Upholds the power of government to force citizens to purchase a product against their will and punish them if they don't.



Where it stops non one knows.

Precedent...it's what they wanted.
ZRX1200 Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 10:18 AM EST
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Buckwheat.



When did you steal teedubbya's fencepost?
bloody spaniard Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 10:21 AM EST
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(applause ovation)

Screw the young! They needs to pays their share for health premiums!!ram27bat

In all seriousness, my small business currently has a worthless, EXPENSIVE BC/BS with huge deductible & lousy coverage.
About time to trade it in for FREE but possibly equally worthless Obamacare? Sure, why not. Who doesn't like "free"!Drool
My wife disagrees.Not talking

Cheer up kids. Now pass the supposed shiit sandwhich... Might taste good.
Buckwheat Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 10:22 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Buckwheat.



When did you steal teedubbya's fencepost?


No fencepost; this stuff NEVER turns out like they intend it to.

The white zone is for loading and unloading only! horse
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 10:23 AM EST
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We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
bloody spaniard Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 10:25 AM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
No fencepost; this stuff NEVER turns out like they intend it to.
horse



I couldn't agree more.
Dow drop aside, this may seal Obama as a transformational President- get ready for 4 more years!
HockeyDad Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 10:26 AM EST
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promote = require
cacman Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 10:27 AM EST
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
HockeyDad Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 10:28 AM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
We'll add you to the "End of the US" list. Like I said, I believe that it will not really be that bad or good. Beer



I've made it perfectly clear that I am working towards the recreation of New France.

Plenty of money is made constructing a building and plenty of money is made dismantling a building. Someone sold Nero the fiddle.
ZRX1200 Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 10:30 AM EST
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^ dad I disagree unless he suspends elections.


I think now he may actually lose.













Rick we all know what a Fabian Socialists version of WELFARE is. 48 million on foodstamps buddy. Now a govt stethoscope in every pot.








This is a disgrace. And the one thing Bush did right (Roberts)? Sorry booby........history just kicked you in the nuts again.












Amerika F**k yeah.
ZRX1200 Offline
#18 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 10:31 AM EST
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That was for Bloody (dad) not Le Hockey Dad
HockeyDad Offline
#19 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 10:33 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
That was for Bloody (dad) not Le Hockey Dad



Good thing that wasn't for me or I would have had to look down my nose at you scoffingly. (and assign you bottom bunk.)
FuzzNJ Offline
#20 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 10:34 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
^ yup.

COMMERCE CLAUSE GETS F**KED IN THE AZZ AGAIN!


big victory for the central scrutinizer.


Enforcement under the commerce clause was ruled unconstitutional.
FuzzNJ Offline
#21 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 10:35 AM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
(applause ovation)

Screw the young! They needs to pays their share for health premiums!!ram27bat

In all seriousness, my small business currently has a worthless, EXPENSIVE BC/BS with huge deductible & lousy coverage.
About time to trade it in for FREE but possibly equally worthless Obamacare? Sure, why not. Who doesn't like "free"!Drool
My wife disagrees.Not talking

Cheer up kids. Now pass the supposed shiit sandwhich... Might taste good.


Not how this works.
bloody spaniard Offline
#22 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 10:40 AM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Not how this works.


Think
Please clarify your succinct post... and I don't want to lose my happiness buzz.ram27bat
daveincincy Offline
#23 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 10:40 AM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Not how this works.


You mean there will be no bread for the chit sammich? d'oh!


I got some good news and some bad news. The bad news is we only have shyte for lunch. The good news is we got plenty of it.
HockeyDad Offline
#24 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 10:41 AM EST
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He means you'll just keep doing what you currently are doing and pay more!
borndead1 Offline
#25 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 10:43 AM EST
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.




It says "promote", not enforce or provide.
FuzzNJ Offline
#26 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 10:43 AM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Think
Please clarify your succinct post... and I don't want to lose my happiness buzz.ram27bat


I am not going to even try to explain a 2,400 page bill that no one completely understands, but I can tell you that there is no free government healthcare in this bill.
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#27 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 10:45 AM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
, but I can tell you that there is no free government healthcare in this bill.




nobody ever thinks about the childrens... Sad
HockeyDad Offline
#28 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 10:46 AM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
I am not going to even try to explain a 2,400 page bill that no one completely understands, but I can tell you that there is no free government healthcare in this bill.




Free, no. Heavily subsidized, yes.
bloody spaniard Offline
#29 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 10:50 AM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
I am not going to even try to explain a 2,400 page bill that no one completely understands, but I can tell you that there is no free government healthcare in this bill.


I know, Mr. Obvious, and the cost may eventually be prohibitive but it'll be shared among all.
Better than the BC/BS garbage I am forced to pay for now which excludes everything & is more of a catastrophic (hospitalization) health policy.

Hey, I used to be adamantly against socialized care but what we have now is crap and we're not allowed to shop out of state for a cheaper/better coverage.
FuzzNJ Offline
#30 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 10:53 AM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
I know, Mr. Obvious, and the cost may eventually be prohibitive but it'll be shared among all.
Better than the BC/BS garbage I am forced to pay for now which excludes everything & is more of a catastrophic (hospitalization) health policy.

Hey, I used to be adamantly against socialized care but what we have now is crap and we're not allowed to shop out of state for a cheaper/better coverage.



You say 'free' healthcare and I'm supposed to know that you know that's not how it works and you just typed it 'ironically'? lol
HockeyDad Offline
#31 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 10:55 AM EST
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Bloody.....you should be doing what most large and small corporations are already doing.....evaluating the elimination of employer-paid healthcare benefits.
bloody spaniard Offline
#32 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 10:58 AM EST
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Would my accountant know what that means, brother? I didn't think there was an option like that yet.


FuzzNJ wrote:
You say 'free' healthcare and I'm supposed to know that you know that's not how it works and you just typed it 'ironically'? lol



That's why quotation marks waz invented- to emphasize the irony, weisenheimer.
HockeyDad Offline
#33 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 11:02 AM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Would my accountant know what that means, brother? I didn't think there was an option like that yet.



Your accountant may or may not but I guarantee you my corporate accountants are looking at it. Under 50 employees and you can eliminate health insurance with no penalty. Over 50 and there are penalties but many companies have already figured out that the penalties are less than the cost of the insurance.

Dump them all on the insurance exchanges so they can get government subsidized health insurance.
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#34 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 11:02 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Bloody.....you should be doing what most large and small corporations are already doing.....evaluating the elimination of employer-paid healthcare benefits.




THIS IS THE FIRST RIGHT STEP TOWARDS HEALTHCARE REFORM!

It is the employer provided coverage that got us into this mess and it can not be fixed until it is done away with. As with the pensions of old, lets hope employer provided health care is a thing of the past.
Buckwheat Offline
#35 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 11:03 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I've made it perfectly clear that I am working towards the recreation of New France.


Will New France be part of the New EU? We could get some of the bailout money! Yeah Europe!!Applause
ZRX1200 Offline
#36 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 11:04 AM EST
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WINNING!








gleefully yours,

The Central Scrutinizer
ZRX1200 Offline
#37 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 11:06 AM EST
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XrtgOzuXnY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
HockeyDad Offline
#38 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 11:06 AM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
Will New France be part of the New EU? We could get some of the bailout money! Yeah Europe!!=d>



I dunno. We may go our separate ways since we are fiercely independent and are always nervous when too close to Germany.

The old EU should be renamed Greater Germany and France.
bloody spaniard Offline
#39 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 11:07 AM EST
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d'oh! Woot ThumpUp Gotta run... Going to give my accountant a call.
ZRX1200 Offline
#40 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 11:13 AM EST
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FuZy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL7ak__MGyw&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Whistlebritches Offline
#41 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 11:26 AM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
I am not going to even try to explain a 2,400 page bill that no one completely understands, but I can tell you that there is no free government healthcare in this bill.


A 2400 page bill that NO ONE understands..................................


I feel better already.


Ron
ZRX1200 Offline
#42 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 11:32 AM EST
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We have to pass it to see what's in it Ron.
HockeyDad Offline
#43 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 11:36 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
We have to pass it to see what's in it Ron.



That's crazy talk....you trying to get FuzzNJ to diagnose you with Alzheimers?
Buckwheat Offline
#44 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 11:36 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
WINNING!








gleefully yours,

The Central Scrutinizer


If yah gotta load, or if yah gotta unload, you go to the WHITE ZONE. You'll love it...it's a way of life. That's right, you'll love it, it's a way of life, that's right, you'll love it, it's a way of life, you'll love it. Applause
ZRX1200 Offline
#45 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 11:39 AM EST
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Fuzzy has already nominated me for re-education camp with his local DNC chapter.

I figured alzheimers care had softer beds.
borndead1 Offline
#46 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 11:42 AM EST
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I'm just throwing this out there as a prediction...


Americans, the majority of whom are opposed to Obamacare, will be suckered by a bunch of smooth-talking "tea party republicans" into voting for them with the promise of a repeal of the bill. Then, once in office, they will tweak a few things but the majority of the legislation will stand.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#47 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 11:42 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
That's crazy talk....you trying to get FuzzNJ to diagnose you with Alzheimers?



Cindy Brady for Surgeon General!
ZRX1200 Offline
#48 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 11:43 AM EST
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Will we get complimentary snickerdoodles with our gubmint cheese now?
jackconrad Offline
#49 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 11:46 AM EST
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THE REVOLUTION IS ABOUT TO COMMENCE!
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#50 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 12:07 PM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
I'm just throwing this out there as a prediction...


Americans, the majority of whom are opposed to Obamacare, will be suckered by a bunch of smooth-talking "tea party republicans" into voting for them with the promise of a repeal of the bill. Then, once in office, they will tweak a few things but the majority of the legislation will stand.

Have NEVER seen a tax removed after it is implemented - right or wrong. In Allegheny County of PA they are STILL charging 1% Sales Tax for the Johnstown flood - which happened in a totally different County and in 1889!!!

We're fücked! Once again lawmakers institute a law and tax they themselves are exempt from!!!
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